Sharon Cuts Ties With Abbas - The Orange Mane

Green Sunshine · 01-15-2005, 09:41 AM

Sharon the peaceloving dove, who claimed Arafat was the problem to achieving peace, cut ties with incoming Palestinian leader Abbas one day before his inauguration. Hmmm.

Sharon wants peace? He has a fresh opportunity to deal with probably the most Israel-friendly of all Palestinians, yet he cut ties with the man before he takes power? Looks to me as though Sharon is showing the world what Arabs knew all along - he doesn't want peace. He wants to continue his land grab until he has a firm hold on as much land as possible. Any delay helps his cause, because he continues to expand illegal settlements on occupied land.

And don't give me any BS about not dealing with terrorists. Abbas, even by Israeli standards, is known to not want violence. He can't be blamed for things not under his control, especially when those things occured before he was sworn in.

Rock Chalk · 01-15-2005, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Green Sunshine

Sharon the peaceloving dove, who claimed Arafat was the problem to achieving peace, cut ties with incoming Palestinian leader Abbas one day before his inauguration. Hmmm.

Sharon wants peace? He has a fresh opportunity to deal with probably the most Israel-friendly of all Palestinians, yet he cut ties with the man before he takes power? Looks to me as though Sharon is showing the world what Arabs knew all along - he doesn't want peace. He wants to continue his land grab until he has a firm hold on as much land as possible. Any delay helps his cause, because he continues to expand illegal settlements on occupied land.

And don't give me any BS about not dealing with terrorists. Abbas, even by Israeli standards, is known to not want violence. He can't be blamed for things not under his control, especially when those things occured before he was sworn in.

Ever think that maybe this is why Sharon cut ties with him? HE IS NOT IN CONTROL OF ANYTHING. Why barter for peace when the man you are bartering with cant gaurantee it? Cant keep his own people in check?

Sharon is not a good guy, he is a prick of the highest order and I wont defend him but I also understand that Sharon cant make a peace agreement with someone who isnt even in control of the people he is supposed to be leading.

He can be blamed for "things not under his control". He is the elected "leader" of his "people" and if he cant control them what is the use of diplomacy with him?

Garcia Bronco · 01-15-2005, 12:41 PM

Good move for Sharon.....this new guy hasn't shown any ability to lead his people.

Green Sunshine · 01-15-2005, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Good move for Sharon.....this new guy hasn't shown any ability to lead his people.

He got sworn in today. How much leadership were you looking for? When did you start holding him accountable? Last week? Last year? The 1967 war? Sharon holding Abbas responsible for anything before today is just telling everyone that the Jews don't want peace. You do understand that he only got sworn in today, don't you?

ClevelandBronco · 01-15-2005, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Green Sunshine

He got sworn in today. How much leadership were you looking for? When did you start holding him accountable? Last week? Last year? The 1967 war? Sharon holding Abbas responsible for anything before today is just telling everyone that the Jews don't want peace. You do understand that he only got sworn in today, don't you?

I'm sure you meant to say, "the Israeli government doesn't want peace." Saying that the Jews don't want peace would make you sound like an anti-semitic bigot, which I assume you're not.

You're not, right?

Maximus · 01-15-2005, 09:09 PM

I would love to know what you mean by displaying Yassar the Terrorist in your avatar. You seem to be an apologist for the terrorists?

Never mind I went back and looked at some of your previous posts and I see that you're logic is kinda skewed.

Green Sunshine · 01-25-2005, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

I'm sure you meant to say, "the Israeli government doesn't want peace." Saying that the Jews don't want peace would make you sound like an anti-semitic bigot, which I assume you're not.

You're not, right?

I'm sorry. You are correct. The Israeli government leaders do not want peace. I cannot even say Israelis don't want it, because many do. It's the leaders who are so bad.

Green Sunshine · 01-25-2005, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

I'm sure you meant to say, "the Israeli government doesn't want peace." Saying that the Jews don't want peace would make you sound like an anti-semitic bigot, which I assume you're not.

You're not, right?

And I am Semitic, so of course I am not anti-semitic.

Green Sunshine · 01-25-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximus

I would love to know what you mean by displaying Yassar the Terrorist in your avatar. You seem to be an apologist for the terrorists?

Never mind I went back and looked at some of your previous posts and I see that you're logic is kinda skewed.

Yasir Arafat was a great leader. He was only called a terrorist by people who wanted to reduce his stature in order to get better bargaining position against him. He won the Nobel Peace Prize for God's sake.

I don't consider myself an apologist, although I can understand why you think as much. I just try to get a better understanding of people's actions, rather than let politicians brainwash me into believing the BS they shovel our way.

Eye Patch · 01-25-2005, 02:08 PM

It's obvious you are not up on current events.

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) - Palestinian forces will take up positions in the southern Gaza Strip by midweek, completing their deployment across the coastal territory in another step toward ending more than four years of conflict with Israel, a Palestinian Cabinet minister said Tuesday.

Israeli and Palestinian generals were to meet later Tuesday to complete the deployment plan, said the minister, Saeb Erekat. Once the plan is approved, officers will take up positions in southern Gaza within 24 hours, he said.

The deployment is accompanied by a promise by militants to Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas to halt attacks on Israel, provided the Israeli military suspends operations, including arrest raids and targeted killings of wanted men. Israel has refused to give such a guarantee, but has said it will respond to calm with calm.

Leaders of the Islamic militant group Hamas were to hold a news conference in Gaza City later Tuesday. A senior Hamas leader in the West Bank has said the group has agreed to suspend attacks for 30 days, to test Israel's response, while other Hamas members emphasized that a truce deal is not yet complete.

Over the weekend, some 3,000 Palestinian police deployed in the northern half of Gaza, mainly along the border fence with Israel, to prevent rocket attacks by Palestinian militants on Israeli communities. No rockets or mortars have hit Israeli communities since last week.

In Tuesday's meeting, the Israeli and Palestinian generals are to discuss police deployment in the southern half of Gaza, said Erekat, who is involved in negotiations with Israel. The meeting is to be attended by Palestinian Maj. Gen. Moussa Arafat and Israeli Brig. Gen. Aviv Kochavi.

Erekat said he has been in touch by phone with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's aides to prepare for a future summit between the Israeli and Palestinian leaders. He said contacts with Israel are going well, but that the two sides have not yet begun to discuss the content of a summit.

The Palestinians want to reach agreement before the summit on key issues, such as the release of prisoners and an Israeli troop redeployment in the West Bank.

In other developments, Israel's vice premier, Shimon Peres, is pushing to get a cargo train running from Gaza to Israel's Ashdod port after Israel withdraws from the coastal strip this summer, a Peres aide said Tuesday.

The 12 1/2-mile train line would provide a lifeline for the isolated coastal strip, said the aide, Yoram Dori. Some 1.3 million Palestinians live in Gaza, which is plagued by poverty and high unemployment. Construction of a Gaza City port was suspended during more than four years of Israeli-Palestinian fighting.

It remains unclear whether Israel would keep passages into Gaza open after the withdrawal.

Peres wants the trains to start running shortly after the withdrawal is completed, Dori said. The tracks are to run from Ashdod to the Erez crossing between Gaza and Israel. Just 2 1/2 are missing from the approved route, he added. The project would cost up to $30 million, he said.

Peres will meet the regional representative of the World Bank, Nigel Roberts, in the coming days to discuss the withdrawal plan. Peres may raise the train project, Dori said.

Peres is also envisioning a train connection between Gaza and the West Bank, which lie on either side of Israel, Dori said. However, such a line is still in the earliest stages of planning.

Eye Patch · 01-25-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Green Sunshine

Yasir Arafat was a great leader. He was only called a terrorist by people who wanted to reduce his stature in order to get better bargaining position against him. He won the Nobel Peace Prize for God's sake.

I don't consider myself an apologist, although I can understand why you think as much. I just try to get a better understanding of people's actions, rather than let politicians brainwash me into believing the BS they shovel our way.

BWHWHAHWHWAHAHAHAHHhahahaahhahahh..

Arafat was a terrorist who stole millions from his own people...

dude you are brainwashed....

Eye Patch · 01-25-2005, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Green Sunshine

Sharon the peaceloving dove, who claimed Arafat was the problem to achieving peace, cut ties with incoming Palestinian leader Abbas one day before his inauguration. .

He did… show me the link?

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Originally Posted by Green Sunshine

Looks to me as though Sharon is showing the world what Arabs knew all along - he doesn't want peace. He wants to continue his land grab until he has a firm hold on as much land as possible. .

Seems he does not want the Gaza strip…. You were saying about the land grab.

Mile High Shack · 01-25-2005, 02:25 PM

Patchy meet Greeny

Greeny meet Patchy

you all should get along well

Greeny is an adment Arafatass supporter

Eye Patch · 01-25-2005, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

Patchy meet Greeny

Greeny meet Patchy

you all should get along well

Greeny is an adment Arafatass supporter

I hope he can explain about the great Arafat's wife living in Paris has multiple house's and Swiss bank accounts with millions of dollars...

considering that Arafat did not have a business... unless being a terrorist pays quite well.

alkemical · 01-25-2005, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AlecRaenos

Ever think that maybe this is why Sharon cut ties with him? HE IS NOT IN CONTROL OF ANYTHING. Why barter for peace when the man you are bartering with cant gaurantee it? Cant keep his own people in check?

Sharon is not a good guy, he is a prick of the highest order and I wont defend him but I also understand that Sharon cant make a peace agreement with someone who isnt even in control of the people he is supposed to be leading.

He can be blamed for "things not under his control". He is the elected "leader" of his "people" and if he cant control them what is the use of diplomacy with him?

maybe sharon doesn't want peace.

alkemical · 01-25-2005, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Eye Patch

He did… show me the link?

Seems he does not want the Gaza strip…. You were saying about the land grab.

check my news thread, i think teh 1.24.05 post has the link you request.

here is one:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/530942.html

Netanyahu: Israel need not give Abbas anything for truce

01-15-2005, 09:41 AM	#1
Green Sunshine Rookie "I have come bearing an olive branch and a freedom fighter's gun. Do not let the olive branch fall." Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 84	Sharon Cuts Ties With Abbas Sharon the peaceloving dove, who claimed Arafat was the problem to achieving peace, cut ties with incoming Palestinian leader Abbas one day before his inauguration. Hmmm. Sharon wants peace? He has a fresh opportunity to deal with probably the most Israel-friendly of all Palestinians, yet he cut ties with the man before he takes power? Looks to me as though Sharon is showing the world what Arabs knew all along - he doesn't want peace. He wants to continue his land grab until he has a firm hold on as much land as possible. Any delay helps his cause, because he continues to expand illegal settlements on occupied land. And don't give me any BS about not dealing with terrorists. Abbas, even by Israeli standards, is known to not want violence. He can't be blamed for things not under his control, especially when those things occured before he was sworn in. Last edited by Green Sunshine; 01-15-2005 at 10:02 AM..

01-15-2005, 09:09 PM	#6
Maximus The Razor! Public Enemy #1 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Western, NY Posts: 5,207 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tim Tebow	I would love to know what you mean by displaying Yassar the Terrorist in your avatar. You seem to be an apologist for the terrorists? Never mind I went back and looked at some of your previous posts and I see that you're logic is kinda skewed. Last edited by Maximus; 01-15-2005 at 10:04 PM..

01-25-2005, 02:08 PM	#10
Eye Patch Ring of Famer Sports does not teach character… it exposes it. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 4,994	It's obvious you are not up on current events. GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) - Palestinian forces will take up positions in the southern Gaza Strip by midweek, completing their deployment across the coastal territory in another step toward ending more than four years of conflict with Israel, a Palestinian Cabinet minister said Tuesday. Israeli and Palestinian generals were to meet later Tuesday to complete the deployment plan, said the minister, Saeb Erekat. Once the plan is approved, officers will take up positions in southern Gaza within 24 hours, he said. The deployment is accompanied by a promise by militants to Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas to halt attacks on Israel, provided the Israeli military suspends operations, including arrest raids and targeted killings of wanted men. Israel has refused to give such a guarantee, but has said it will respond to calm with calm. Leaders of the Islamic militant group Hamas were to hold a news conference in Gaza City later Tuesday. A senior Hamas leader in the West Bank has said the group has agreed to suspend attacks for 30 days, to test Israel's response, while other Hamas members emphasized that a truce deal is not yet complete. Over the weekend, some 3,000 Palestinian police deployed in the northern half of Gaza, mainly along the border fence with Israel, to prevent rocket attacks by Palestinian militants on Israeli communities. No rockets or mortars have hit Israeli communities since last week. In Tuesday's meeting, the Israeli and Palestinian generals are to discuss police deployment in the southern half of Gaza, said Erekat, who is involved in negotiations with Israel. The meeting is to be attended by Palestinian Maj. Gen. Moussa Arafat and Israeli Brig. Gen. Aviv Kochavi. Erekat said he has been in touch by phone with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's aides to prepare for a future summit between the Israeli and Palestinian leaders. He said contacts with Israel are going well, but that the two sides have not yet begun to discuss the content of a summit. The Palestinians want to reach agreement before the summit on key issues, such as the release of prisoners and an Israeli troop redeployment in the West Bank. In other developments, Israel's vice premier, Shimon Peres, is pushing to get a cargo train running from Gaza to Israel's Ashdod port after Israel withdraws from the coastal strip this summer, a Peres aide said Tuesday. The 12 1/2-mile train line would provide a lifeline for the isolated coastal strip, said the aide, Yoram Dori. Some 1.3 million Palestinians live in Gaza, which is plagued by poverty and high unemployment. Construction of a Gaza City port was suspended during more than four years of Israeli-Palestinian fighting. It remains unclear whether Israel would keep passages into Gaza open after the withdrawal. Peres wants the trains to start running shortly after the withdrawal is completed, Dori said. The tracks are to run from Ashdod to the Erez crossing between Gaza and Israel. Just 2 1/2 are missing from the approved route, he added. The project would cost up to $30 million, he said. Peres will meet the regional representative of the World Bank, Nigel Roberts, in the coming days to discuss the withdrawal plan. Peres may raise the train project, Dori said. Peres is also envisioning a train connection between Gaza and the West Bank, which lie on either side of Israel, Dori said. However, such a line is still in the earliest stages of planning. Last edited by Eye Patch; 01-25-2005 at 02:11 PM..

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01-15-2005, 12:41 PM	#3
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	Good move for Sharon.....this new guy hasn't shown any ability to lead his people.

01-25-2005, 02:25 PM	#13
Mile High Shack Ring of Famer Cock-a-doodle-do Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 17,010	Patchy meet Greeny Greeny meet Patchy you all should get along well Greeny is an adment Arafatass supporter