"Stingy" Americans

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

I was listening to the news when I heard somebody say that Americans are being stingy in the face of what happened in south asia. The guy said we weren't giving enough per cap. so I looked it up. We have raised $33 million while France has only committed less than $200,000 so far. I am sick of American bashing. I wish I could find that guy and shove those numbers down his face.

[MistrSynistr]

Originally Posted by UltimateSoldier

I was listening to the news when I heard somebody say that Americans are being stingy in the face of what happened in south asia. The guy said we weren't giving enough per cap. so I looked it up. We have raised $33 million while France has only committed less than $200,000 so far. I am sick of American bashing. I wish I could find that guy and shove those numbers down his face.

Put it into context...I believe they are saying that the amount of money we raise as a whole or our spending habits, 33 million is chump change for America who can spend 80 billion on an unjust war.

[Rascal]

oh shut up mistr.

Who has raised more money for this crisis?

[NYBronco]

How much money has been contributed by the oil rich Arab countries?

[orangeatheist]

Originally Posted by MistrSynistr

Put it into context...I believe they are saying that the amount of money we raise as a whole or our spending habits, 33 million is chump change for America who can spend 80 billion on an unjust war.

Hmmmm...If I needed emergency money would I rather get two cents from a guy with $100 to his name or $20 from a guy with $100,000 to his name?

It's the bottom line. Besides, the figures quoted are strictly from government sources. What is the amount of private charity contributions from each country? Are there as many charities in France as in the US? What are the dollar figures from that quarter? How much are private citizens in France donating to the disaster as compared to the amount private citizens in the US are donating?

[Rascal]

It's those damned athiests in all those other countries that aren't helping. Thankfully America still has a big # of believers so we contribute more then everybody else

[orangeatheist]

Originally Posted by rascal

It's those damned athiests in all those other countries that aren't helping. Thankfully America still has a big # of believers so we contribute more then everybody else

No doubt to help pay off their "sin debt" and make sure they have their tickets punched for Heaven.....Not because they are truly altruistic, right?

[Spider]

See I say screw Asia , Yeah it is tradgic , but Screw em ........ Where in the hell was the Disaster relief on 9-11 ?
I depart company with rest of the Democrats on this .......
Iam sick an tired of Everyone kicking us around while things are good , then when somthing Bad Happens , they come to us for Help ...... Freaking Ingrates ...... Fúckem ..........

[kappys]

Originally Posted by orangeatheist

No doubt to help pay off their "sin debt" and make sure they have their tickets punched for Heaven.....Not because they are truly altruistic, right?

No need to preach to the choir. I've already got my indulgence, bought and paid for with cash money.

[errand]

Originally Posted by MistrSynistr

Put it into context...I believe they are saying that the amount of money we raise as a whole or our spending habits, 33 million is chump change for America who can spend 80 billion on an unjust war.

Gee, I wonder if the French and German planes with food and water and medical supplies and other types of aid arrived before ours did?

Let's look at it in another perspective there MistrSynistr....

Why is there no outrage for the amount of money being spent to help out disaster struck people in the world...and yet freeing over 50 million people from oppression is not worth the amount of money being spent?

We can send billions upon billions to Africa to try and alleviate AIDS (a known behavioral problem) and it's OK....but freeing 50 million people from oppression, what? Are you people nuts? No way we should spend a dime on that.

Amazingly the left thinks spending 80 billion freeing Afghanistan and Iraq isn't worth it, and dammit we shouldn't be footing the bill....and yet they wonder aloud how come the US doesn't spend more for earthquake/tidal wave victims.

The Left says "why don't the Iraqi's just free themselves if they want freedom so badly?" And yet do not ponder the question of why Sri Lanka doesn't provide it's own relief for a disaster that hit their shores?

Look clown, we do what we do because it is our way....giving has been a part of our culture for quite some time now....and it'll never stop.

The US spends more money worldwide helping other nations than anyone else...and that's not even counting the money private citizens send to other charitable organizations that assist these 3rd world nations survive.......and yet the world hates us.

I personally wonder where they'd all be without us?

[MistrSynistr]

Originally Posted by errand

Gee, I wonder if the French and German planes with food and water and medical supplies and other types of aid arrived before ours did?

Let's look at it in another perspective there MistrSynistr....

Why is there no outrage for the amount of money being spent to help out disaster struck people in the world...and yet freeing over 50 million people from oppression is not worth the amount of money being spent?

We can send billions upon billions to Africa to try and alleviate AIDS (a known behavioral problem) and it's OK....but freeing 50 million people from oppression, what? Are you people nuts? No way we should spend a dime on that.

Amazingly the left thinks spending 80 billion freeing Afghanistan and Iraq isn't worth it, and dammit we shouldn't be footing the bill....and yet they wonder aloud how come the US doesn't spend more for earthquake/tidal wave victims.

The Left says "why don't the Iraqi's just free themselves if they want freedom so badly?" And yet do not ponder the question of why Sri Lanka doesn't provide it's own relief for a disaster that hit their shores?

Look clown, we do what we do because it is our way....giving has been a part of our culture for quite some time now....and it'll never stop.

The US spends more money worldwide helping other nations than anyone else...and that's not even counting the money private citizens send to other charitable organizations that assist these 3rd world nations survive.......and yet the world hates us.

I personally wonder where they'd all be without us?

Afghanistan is warranted. There's not a liberal or conservative who didn't want that action to take place.

In the issue of Iraq. If you want to call our actions over there as "freedom" for the iraqi people, so be it. We all have different opinions. Some just have more information behind the sources than others. Will they get a limited version of "freedom", yes, I am sure. I just combine every other excuse and agenda WITH that freedom excuse and I see it's very easy to just place the war in the positive context of giving the iraqi's freedom. When you, I, or joe schmoe, and even your President could give a rat's a$$ about any iraqi's. That's the problem. No one cares about those people. When someone innocent gets blown to smithereens you say "ahh, it happens, casualities of war! it's war!" But then, when someone informs you that the war in iraq is by far more for the profitable gains of America, you fall back to the "freedom for iraqis cause we care so much" speech. It's enlightening to know how the majority of Americans think. Mostly for capitalism. For Mickey D's. And mainly, only for themselves.

And no, more money should go to people living in shelters who have had their whole lives destroyed in the blink of an eye than people who have been living comfortably for years with roofs over their heads but couldn't say "Saddam's an idiot". They knew not to break the rules, and they'd be alright. The Sri Lankens didn't know their home, children, mothers, fathers, etc would be swept away forever in 2 minutes. So, if you want to look at it from a "different" perspective, as you put it, yes...the tsunami survivors need our help far more than the Iraqi's.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Here an up date. Now that total is up to 350 million and now those a$$holes and backtracking trying to take back what they said.

[MistrSynistr]

Originally Posted by UltimateSoldier

Here an up date. Now that total is up to 350 million and now those a$$holes and backtracking trying to take back what they said.

Good spin. Anyone with half a brain would definetly fall under your dopey reasoning, no doubt.

Then, you could not take it out of context and realize the public/worldly outcry over the original 15 million is what GOT us to the 350 million now.

Ultimate Soldier, what a slap in the face of our military. More like the UltimateJoke.

[enjolras]

Awesome.. a new moron!

The aid issue has more to do with our bueacracy than anything. There was very limited funding in the department that doles out aid to foreign disaster relief (I forget the acronym at this point). They actually immediatly dedicated EVERY AVAILABLE PENNY in that budget. The $350 million required a fairly large effort to allocate money from other resources which inevitably comes with lag time. It's the nature of our fiscal process.. The outside pressure had very little to do with it.

I do think that Bush dropped the ball on this (what's new?). When Florida was racked by Hurricanes he was out there with a bullhorn doing what he does best. It was politically expedient right before the election. However, after the Tsunami Bush was absolutely silent for three days. He SHOULD have been in the air on his way to Indonesia as soon as he POSSIBLY could. He should have been there, bullhorn in hand, pledging Americas support for these people. He had a chance to win the hearts and minds of these people in areas of the world important to the 'war on terror'. He failed to do that, and while America will be extremely generous (we always are)... the perception will continue to be that we simply don't care about these people in the slightest. There may be some truth to that, after all I'm not convinced our president does.

[missingnumber7]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

See I say screw Asia , Yeah it is tradgic , but Screw em ........ Where in the hell was the Disaster relief on 9-11 ?
I depart company with rest of the Democrats on this .......
Iam sick an tired of Everyone kicking us around while things are good , then when somthing Bad Happens , they come to us for Help ...... Freaking Ingrates ...... Fúckem ..........

As soon as we givem money and donate troops something will happen and we will get attacked by someone who sympathizes with a different country who didn't get the same $$. Its all gay. The UN is helping. Let the UN do it. Thats what they are there for, since they have proven useless in all areas of the Middle East.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by enjolras

Awesome.. a new moron!

The aid issue has more to do with our bueacracy than anything. There was very limited funding in the department that doles out aid to foreign disaster relief (I forget the acronym at this point). They actually immediatly dedicated EVERY AVAILABLE PENNY in that budget. The $350 million required a fairly large effort to allocate money from other resources which inevitably comes with lag time. It's the nature of our fiscal process.. The outside pressure had very little to do with it.

I do think that Bush dropped the ball on this (what's new?). When Florida was racked by Hurricanes he was out there with a bullhorn doing what he does best. It was politically expedient right before the election. However, after the Tsunami Bush was absolutely silent for three days. He SHOULD have been in the air on his way to Indonesia as soon as he POSSIBLY could. He should have been there, bullhorn in hand, pledging Americas support for these people. He had a chance to win the hearts and minds of these people in areas of the world important to the 'war on terror'. He failed to do that, and while America will be extremely generous (we always are)... the perception will continue to be that we simply don't care about these people in the slightest. There may be some truth to that, after all I'm not convinced our president does.

F.E.M.A. is the name you are looking for .......
Here is my Problem with helping those Bastards out ...... Let them go to OBL for money the Fúcks ..lets see how fast the Freaking Muslim community helps the bastards out ............
Screw em all

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by MistrSynistr

And no, more money should go to people living in shelters who have had their whole lives destroyed in the blink of an eye than people who have been living comfortably for years with roofs over their heads but couldn't say "Saddam's an idiot". They knew not to break the rules, and they'd be alright. The Sri Lankens didn't know their home, children, mothers, fathers, etc would be swept away forever in 2 minutes. So, if you want to look at it from a "different" perspective, as you put it, yes...the tsunami survivors need our help far more than the Iraqi's.

Listen to how you trivialize the Iraqi peoples plight in order to make some gay political coorelation. Ya, the mass graves and torture chambers were filled with Iraqi's who deserved it.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Listen to how you trivialize the Iraqi peoples plight in order to make some gay political coorelation. Ya, the mass graves and torture chambers were filled with Iraqi's who deserved it.

Yes they did deserve it , hell if you cant fight or Rebel to save yourselfs from that , then what good are you ?
if you cant fight for your Childrens future , and your own safty then you are pretty freaking worthless ..........
there comes a time when a Man has to make a stand and fight for what he believes in .Except Iraqis of course

[enjolras]

Except Iraqis of course

Well they had WMD's of course...err nevermind.

[alkemical]

I heard that iraqi police and us forces clashed over a veil incident.

[missingnumber7]

Ok, for those who seem to can't let the whole Iraq thing go I have pictures from the death chamber where Saddam put millions to death because they had a differance of opinion to him. The blood stained floors. The smell. He was just as ruthless, as evil, and as wrong as Hitler.

As for the veil incident, the american soldiers are asking women to lift their veils to confirm they are actually women and not Terrorists. The chicken ****s over there don't fight war, they just want to die and take as many others with them as they can.

[alkemical]

I guess the iraqi police beg to differ, and our western culture we know nothing of their culture.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by missingnumber7

Ok, for those who seem to can't let the whole Iraq thing go I have pictures from the death chamber where Saddam put millions to death because they had a differance of opinion to him. The blood stained floors. The smell. He was just as ruthless, as evil, and as wrong as Hitler.
.

I am sure you have pictures , and they are ghastly to say the least , and Hilter did the same things Bro , but damn , The iraqi People should have took a stand , tell me would you sit still knowing America had death chambers and a brutal goverment ? would you allow your kids to grow up in that enviorment ?
As for Hilter , we was drug into war with him , by Japan .... And one other difference , the Jews had no homeland , they migrated everywhere ... The Iraqi People have a homeland , and if you cant fight for your home , what can you fight for ?

[alkemical]

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/f94c32b6-5f...00e2511c8.html

Bush quake aid group to dissolve
By Victor Mallet in Jakarta, Hugh Williamson in Berlin and Dan Dombey in Brussels
Published: January 5 2005 11:13 | Last updated: January 6 2005 00:33

The “core group” of nations announced by US President George W. Bush to channel aid to victims of the Indian Ocean tsunami will be dissolved on Thursday after just eight days as the United Nations takes control of the relief effort, delegates to a donors summit said on Wednesday.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Originally Posted by MistrSynistr

Good spin. Anyone with half a brain would definetly fall under your dopey reasoning, no doubt.

Then, you could not take it out of context and realize the public/worldly outcry over the original 15 million is what GOT us to the 350 million now.

Ultimate Soldier, what a slap in the face of our military. More like the UltimateJoke.

That 15 Million you quoted was an "initial" couple of hours then it jumped to 35 million on the first day. Also that 15 million that you talk about was to scout out the situation in the affected region. And if you think that 15 million went to waste. That 15 million found a group of natives in a remote island and was able to drop supplies to them.

You want to talk numbers. We'll talk numbers. Last years of all donations given to international aid the Untied States of America accounted for 40% of total contributions, while we only are about 1/12th of the worlds population.