Giambi admits to steroid use - The Orange Mane

FADERPROOF · 12-02-2004, 12:26 AM

1 down, there's a still a few others that need to come clean though I'm sure...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1936592

Admission before BALCO grand jury detailed

Thursday, December 2, 2004

ESPN.com news services

Jason Giambi admitted to a federal grand jury he took steroids and human growth hormone in 2003, according to transcripts of testimony obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle and published in the newspaper's Thursday editions.

The New York Yankees slugger's admission in December 2003 contradicts denials he has made since then that he never took performance-enhancing drugs.

But in the testimony obtained by the Chronicle, the former American League MVP told the grand jury investigating the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative steroids case he used steroids obtained from Greg Anderson, the personal trainer for San Francisco Giants star Barry Bonds.

Giambi did not implicate Bonds in his testimony; he pointed out that Anderson was secretive about who he was working for and what he was doing to help other professional athletes.

In the transcripts obtained by the Chronicle, Assistant U.S. Attorney Jeffrey Nedrow asked Giambi, "Did [Anderson] ever say, 'Don't be talking about getting stuff from me?' "

"That's what I mean by saying that he made it so, you know, private, that you know, 'Hey, don't say anything, don't talk about anything,' " Giambi told the grand jury. "You know, I assumed because he's Barry's trainer -- you know, Barry -- but he never said one time, 'This is what Barry's taking, this is what Barry's doing.' He never gave up another name that he was dealing with or doing anything with."

Bonds, a seven-time National League MVP, has denied using steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs.

Giambi's younger brother Jeremy, a former Oakland outfielder, also told the grand jury he injected banned drugs received from Anderson, the Chronicle reported.

Both Giambis said they had used steroids even earlier in their baseball careers. They were granted immunity from prosecution if they told the truth to the grand jury, but faced perjury charges if they did not.

Jason Giambi described to the grand jury how -- using syringes -- he injected human growth hormone into his stomach and testosterone into his buttocks.

Giambi called the products he obtained from Anderson "undetectable" steroids known as "the clear" and "the cream."

"The clear" is a liquid drug administered under the tongue a few drops at a time. "The cream" was described as a testosterone-based balm rubbed onto the body, the Chronicle reported.

Giambi said he obtained all the drugs -- and syringes -- except human growth hormone from Anderson. Giambi said he got the human growth hormone at a Gold's Gym in Las Vegas.

Giambi testified Anderson sent him several different drugs, including testosterone, "the cream" and "the clear." Giambi added Anderson gave him advice on the use of human growth hormone.

"Did Mr. Anderson provide you with actual injectable testosterone?" Assistant U.S. Attorney Nedrow asked Giambi.

"Yes," replied Giambi.

Then, in reference to an alleged steroid calendar from January 2003, Nedrow asked, "OK. And this injectable T, or testosterone, is basically a steroid, correct?"

"Yes," Giambi replied

"And did he talk to you about the fact it was a steroid at the time?" Nedrow asked.

"Yeah, I mean, I -- I don't know if we got into a conversation about it, but we both knew about it, yes," Giambi told the grand jury.

Giambi said Anderson described "the cream" and "the clear" as "an alternative to steroids, but it doesn't show on a steroid test.

"And he started talking about that it would raise your testosterone levels, you know, which would basically make it a steroid ... or maybe he said it's an alternative of taking an injectable steroid. That might be a better way to put it."

Bonds brought Anderson on a barnstorming players' tour of Japan after the big-league season in 2002. Giambi said it was on that November trip he met the trainer.

In his testimony, Giambi said he asked Anderson about the things Bonds was doing to stay at an elite level.

"So I started to ask him: 'Hey, what are the things you're doing with Barry? He's an incredible player. I want to still be able to work out at that age and keep playing,' " Giambi testified. "And that's how the conversation first started."

According to the transcripts obtained by the Chronicle, Giambi testified he called Anderson after their return from overseas and then flew to the San Francisco area in either late November or early December to meet at a gym down the street from BALCO in Burlingame, Calif.

Giambi said the two went to a hospital for Giambi to provide blood and urine samples, which were then taken to BALCO.

According to the transcripts obtained by the Chronicle, Giambi said he and Anderson then began discussing various performance-enhancing drugs Anderson could supply. Also, when Anderson received the results of Giambi's blood and urine tests, Anderson told him he had tested positive for Deca-Durobolin -- a steroid Giambi said he had obtained from the Las Vegas gym -- and that he should discontinue its use because it could stay in his system a long time.

Giambi said Anderson assured him the drugs he provided in baseball's offseason would be out of his system before Giambi was called for a steroid test.

Giambi, a four-time All-Star who played his first seven seasons in Oakland, has been unable to duplicate his 2000 MVP success in three seasons with the Yankees. Giambi signed a seven-year, $120 million contract with the Yankees after the 2001 season.

He played with a knee injury in 2003 and missed more than half the 2004 season with an intestinal parasite and a benign tumor that reportedly was on his pituitary gland. The unusual ailments led many to question whether they were steroid related, but Giambi continued to deny ever taking steroids.

The Chronicle also reported Giambi testified he helped his younger brother obtain drugs from Anderson.

Jeremy Giambi told the grand jury Anderson described "the clear" and "the cream" as undetectable "alternatives to steroids."

"For all I knew, it could have been baby lotion," Jeremy Giambi told the grand jury.

TheManeMan · 12-02-2004, 12:33 AM

Big shocker there...Sheff and Bonds are next...

Breck Bronc · 12-02-2004, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CB-Champ24

Big shocker there...Sheff and Bonds are next...

Sheffield's already admitted to unknowingly using steroids provided by BALCO. Baseball has already cleared him of any wrongdoing, I'm pretty sure.

Bonds, though, is going to go down, and go down hard. I think MLB has tried to cover up his steroid use in order not to taint the 2001 home run record, but the media is going to uncover it anyway, not that his steroid use is any secret.

-Slap- · 12-02-2004, 06:21 AM

Just give B*nds some tumors like Alzado and I'll be willing to call it even.

Mile High Shack · 12-02-2004, 06:33 AM

yeah........when he couldn't take Steroids he wasn't as good (Giambi)

and yeah Barry...YOU haven't taken anything, that is why your head is 3 sizes bigger than it was in the early 90's.

PatsWin2002 · 12-02-2004, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

and yeah Barry...YOU haven't taken anything, that is why your head is 3 sizes bigger than it was in the early 90's.

That reminds me of the Grinch when his heart grows 3 sizes at the end?

I wonder if Bonds also has the strength of "10 Grinches plus 2".

Carry on....

Bronco_Beerslug · 12-02-2004, 07:29 AM

WOW!!! It's finally coming out. Look at all the medical problems Giambi has had the last year. Makes you wonder if they're directly related.
All this testimony needs come out now. Baseball has a big dilemma here.
These guys that have tainted the game all need to go. I hope Bonds is booed out of the parks next year!!!

PatsWin2002 · 12-02-2004, 08:10 AM

There will be more.

Bonds, Sosa.....who else has a bigger head now?

I can just picture Johnny Cochrane trying to defend Bonds....except this time the cap WON'T fit.

Bronco_Beerslug · 12-02-2004, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsWin2002

There will be more.

Bonds, Sosa.....who else has a bigger head now?

I can just picture Johnny Cochrane trying to defend Bonds....except this time the cap WON'T fit.

This is huge news!!!!!!!!! Rumors now are the Yankees are going to try and void Giambi's contract. Baseballs's labor contract won't allow it but the Yankees are going at it from another angle with the thinking that Giambi damaged himself and is unable to play the game at the level that is required.

I hope every one of these jerks is run out of the game!

Tredici · 12-02-2004, 08:40 AM

Gee... I thought half the major league players shrunk in size and the home run count lowered in 2004 because they stopped juicing the baseballs.

PatsWin2002 · 12-02-2004, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

This is huge news!!!!!!!!! Rumors now are the Yankees are going to try and void Giambi's contract. Baseballs's labor contract won't allow it but the Yankees are going at it from another angle with the thinking that Giambi damaged himself and is unable to play the game at the level that is required.

I hope every one of these jerks is run out of the game!

Don't forget Sheffield too! The Yanks are knee-deep in it now. (Hey, I hope the Sox are clean!)

I'd like to see all of these guys be stripped of their MVPs like in the olympics.

And like Slap always says....let's hope something is done before Bonds reaches Ruth's mark of 714.

Mile High Shack · 12-02-2004, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tredici

Gee... I thought half the major league players shrunk in size and the home run count lowered in 2004 because they stopped juicing the baseballs.

Bronco LB 59 · 12-02-2004, 09:44 AM

Baseball (Bud Selig) will probably do nothing about it. The Players Association is the strongest union in the country and they will fight Bud Selig/owners in court to the very end if disciplilnary action is handed down. Donald Fehr and Gene Orza are two slimeballs. They feel the privacy issues concerning their players outweigh the health, legal and ethical issues.

Giambi admitted using steroids during the 2003 season when the exploratory testing program was initiated. Pretty much, whoever tested positive wasn't going to face disciplinary action anyways.

SoCalBronco · 12-02-2004, 10:18 AM

Smelvin is sweating bullets....

Bronco_Beerslug · 12-02-2004, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Smelvin is sweating bullets....

Tony Kornheiser just said on PTI that Victor Conti is suppose to name all the names on 20-20 tomorrow night. That should be an interesting show!

bendog · 12-03-2004, 12:06 PM

ouch, 80 mil

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

Mile High Shack · 12-03-2004, 12:31 PM

well in all honesty, his career is pretty much over now...at least as a big time guy

he will be a decent run of the mill ball player, but no super star like he was

bendog · 12-03-2004, 01:28 PM

I heard the dodgers were gonna trade Green for Sosa. Did that pan out. I hope not - for the dodgers.

Kid A · 12-03-2004, 02:41 PM

I lost respect for Giambi when he went from his bad-ass persona in Oakland to selling his soul to the Yankees and becoming Steinbrenners clean-cut biatch. His embaressingly lame Arm & Hammer ads sealed my dislike for him. I wonder if the women in those ads would be swooning over his "manly" scent if they knew his balls were slowly shriveling from steroids?

12-02-2004, 12:26 AM	#1
FADERPROOF Bucknuts Colossus Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Eastlake OH Posts: 17,338	Giambi admits to steroid use 1 down, there's a still a few others that need to come clean though I'm sure... http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1936592 Admission before BALCO grand jury detailed Thursday, December 2, 2004 ESPN.com news services Jason Giambi admitted to a federal grand jury he took steroids and human growth hormone in 2003, according to transcripts of testimony obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle and published in the newspaper's Thursday editions. The New York Yankees slugger's admission in December 2003 contradicts denials he has made since then that he never took performance-enhancing drugs. But in the testimony obtained by the Chronicle, the former American League MVP told the grand jury investigating the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative steroids case he used steroids obtained from Greg Anderson, the personal trainer for San Francisco Giants star Barry Bonds. Giambi did not implicate Bonds in his testimony; he pointed out that Anderson was secretive about who he was working for and what he was doing to help other professional athletes. In the transcripts obtained by the Chronicle, Assistant U.S. Attorney Jeffrey Nedrow asked Giambi, "Did [Anderson] ever say, 'Don't be talking about getting stuff from me?' " "That's what I mean by saying that he made it so, you know, private, that you know, 'Hey, don't say anything, don't talk about anything,' " Giambi told the grand jury. "You know, I assumed because he's Barry's trainer -- you know, Barry -- but he never said one time, 'This is what Barry's taking, this is what Barry's doing.' He never gave up another name that he was dealing with or doing anything with." Bonds, a seven-time National League MVP, has denied using steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs. Giambi's younger brother Jeremy, a former Oakland outfielder, also told the grand jury he injected banned drugs received from Anderson, the Chronicle reported. Both Giambis said they had used steroids even earlier in their baseball careers. They were granted immunity from prosecution if they told the truth to the grand jury, but faced perjury charges if they did not. Jason Giambi described to the grand jury how -- using syringes -- he injected human growth hormone into his stomach and testosterone into his buttocks. Giambi called the products he obtained from Anderson "undetectable" steroids known as "the clear" and "the cream." "The clear" is a liquid drug administered under the tongue a few drops at a time. "The cream" was described as a testosterone-based balm rubbed onto the body, the Chronicle reported. Giambi said he obtained all the drugs -- and syringes -- except human growth hormone from Anderson. Giambi said he got the human growth hormone at a Gold's Gym in Las Vegas. Giambi testified Anderson sent him several different drugs, including testosterone, "the cream" and "the clear." Giambi added Anderson gave him advice on the use of human growth hormone. "Did Mr. Anderson provide you with actual injectable testosterone?" Assistant U.S. Attorney Nedrow asked Giambi. "Yes," replied Giambi. Then, in reference to an alleged steroid calendar from January 2003, Nedrow asked, "OK. And this injectable T, or testosterone, is basically a steroid, correct?" "Yes," Giambi replied "And did he talk to you about the fact it was a steroid at the time?" Nedrow asked. "Yeah, I mean, I -- I don't know if we got into a conversation about it, but we both knew about it, yes," Giambi told the grand jury. Giambi said Anderson described "the cream" and "the clear" as "an alternative to steroids, but it doesn't show on a steroid test. "And he started talking about that it would raise your testosterone levels, you know, which would basically make it a steroid ... or maybe he said it's an alternative of taking an injectable steroid. That might be a better way to put it." Bonds brought Anderson on a barnstorming players' tour of Japan after the big-league season in 2002. Giambi said it was on that November trip he met the trainer. In his testimony, Giambi said he asked Anderson about the things Bonds was doing to stay at an elite level. "So I started to ask him: 'Hey, what are the things you're doing with Barry? He's an incredible player. I want to still be able to work out at that age and keep playing,' " Giambi testified. "And that's how the conversation first started." According to the transcripts obtained by the Chronicle, Giambi testified he called Anderson after their return from overseas and then flew to the San Francisco area in either late November or early December to meet at a gym down the street from BALCO in Burlingame, Calif. Giambi said the two went to a hospital for Giambi to provide blood and urine samples, which were then taken to BALCO. According to the transcripts obtained by the Chronicle, Giambi said he and Anderson then began discussing various performance-enhancing drugs Anderson could supply. Also, when Anderson received the results of Giambi's blood and urine tests, Anderson told him he had tested positive for Deca-Durobolin -- a steroid Giambi said he had obtained from the Las Vegas gym -- and that he should discontinue its use because it could stay in his system a long time. Giambi said Anderson assured him the drugs he provided in baseball's offseason would be out of his system before Giambi was called for a steroid test. Giambi, a four-time All-Star who played his first seven seasons in Oakland, has been unable to duplicate his 2000 MVP success in three seasons with the Yankees. Giambi signed a seven-year, $120 million contract with the Yankees after the 2001 season. He played with a knee injury in 2003 and missed more than half the 2004 season with an intestinal parasite and a benign tumor that reportedly was on his pituitary gland. The unusual ailments led many to question whether they were steroid related, but Giambi continued to deny ever taking steroids. The Chronicle also reported Giambi testified he helped his younger brother obtain drugs from Anderson. Jeremy Giambi told the grand jury Anderson described "the clear" and "the cream" as undetectable "alternatives to steroids." "For all I knew, it could have been baby lotion," Jeremy Giambi told the grand jury.

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12-02-2004, 12:33 AM	#2
TheManeMan Ring of Famer DPOY Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sherman Oaks, CA Posts: 5,659	Big shocker there...Sheff and Bonds are next...

12-02-2004, 06:21 AM	#4
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	Just give B*nds some tumors like Alzado and I'll be willing to call it even.

12-02-2004, 06:33 AM	#5
Mile High Shack Ring of Famer Cock-a-doodle-do Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 17,010	yeah........when he couldn't take Steroids he wasn't as good (Giambi) and yeah Barry...YOU haven't taken anything, that is why your head is 3 sizes bigger than it was in the early 90's.

12-02-2004, 07:29 AM	#7
Bronco_Beerslug Angling in the Deep Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Texas Riviera, Southern Mountains Posts: 24,281	WOW!!! It's finally coming out. Look at all the medical problems Giambi has had the last year. Makes you wonder if they're directly related. All this testimony needs come out now. Baseball has a big dilemma here. These guys that have tainted the game all need to go. I hope Bonds is booed out of the parks next year!!!

12-02-2004, 08:10 AM	#8
PatsWin2002 Giggity Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: South of Boston Posts: 6,270	There will be more. Bonds, Sosa.....who else has a bigger head now? I can just picture Johnny Cochrane trying to defend Bonds....except this time the cap WON'T fit.

12-02-2004, 08:40 AM	#10
Tredici Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 10,010	Gee... I thought half the major league players shrunk in size and the home run count lowered in 2004 because they stopped juicing the baseballs.

12-02-2004, 09:44 AM	#13
Bronco LB 59 Ring of Famer Keep your head up dog Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Leucadia CA Posts: 6,068	Baseball (Bud Selig) will probably do nothing about it. The Players Association is the strongest union in the country and they will fight Bud Selig/owners in court to the very end if disciplilnary action is handed down. Donald Fehr and Gene Orza are two slimeballs. They feel the privacy issues concerning their players outweigh the health, legal and ethical issues. Giambi admitted using steroids during the 2003 season when the exploratory testing program was initiated. Pretty much, whoever tested positive wasn't going to face disciplinary action anyways.

12-03-2004, 12:06 PM	#16
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	ouch, 80 mil http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

12-03-2004, 12:31 PM	#17
Mile High Shack Ring of Famer Cock-a-doodle-do Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 17,010	well in all honesty, his career is pretty much over now...at least as a big time guy he will be a decent run of the mill ball player, but no super star like he was

12-03-2004, 01:28 PM	#18
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	I heard the dodgers were gonna trade Green for Sosa. Did that pan out. I hope not - for the dodgers.

12-03-2004, 02:41 PM	#19
Kid A Ring of Famer I don't need love. I just need wins Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,662 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rahim Moore	I lost respect for Giambi when he went from his bad-ass persona in Oakland to selling his soul to the Yankees and becoming Steinbrenners clean-cut biatch. His embaressingly lame Arm & Hammer ads sealed my dislike for him. I wonder if the women in those ads would be swooning over his "manly" scent if they knew his balls were slowly shriveling from steroids?