Bill Clinton Gets It, But then he was a Winner.

[Kaylore]

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/31816.htm

November 6, 2004 -- Former President Bill Clinton, in his first comments on President Bush's re-election, yesterday urged Democrats not to "whine" about the outcome, but to find a "clear national message."

Clinton also said that Democrat John Kerry was hurt by the polarizing issue of gay marriage, which was legalized by Massachusetts' top court and put on the ballot in 11 states, and the surfacing of a tape from Osama bin Laden in the final days of the race.

Reminded of terrorism by the bin Laden tape, voters decided they didn't want to "change horses" during a time of heightened concern over national security, Clinton said in a speech to the Urban Land Institute at the New York Hilton.

Clinton said Hispanic voters tilted to Bush because of terrorism fears, as did suburban "soccer moms," who Clinton said turned into "the security moms of 2004."

He also said that while Democrats registered more new voters than Republicans, the Bush campaign did a better job of getting voters to the polls who were already registered but had not previously voted.

Despite the GOP victory, the former president — whose wife Hillary is already being mentioned as the top contender for the White House in 2008 — said Democrats "shouldn't be all that discouraged" by Kerry's defeat.

Clinton said it would be "a mistake for our party to sit around and . . . whine about this and that or the other thing."

Clinton attributed Kerry's loss to the Democrats' failure to combat how they were portrayed by Republicans to small-town America.

"If we let people believe that our party doesn't believe in faith and family, doesn't believe in work and freedom, that's our fault," he said.

Democrats "need a clear national message, and they have to do this without one big advantage the Republicans have, which is they won't have a theological message that basically paints the other guy as evil," he said.

Clinton said the country was more divided than it was in 1968 and called for an end to the "culture war."

In his hourlong speech Clinton, who had open-heart surgery in September, gave Bush and the Republicans full credit for the election victory.

"The Republicans had a clear message, a good messenger, great organization and great strategy," he said.

Clinton said Bush should use his second term to move toward less dependence on foreign oil.

"This election presents a great opportunity for President Bush and a great opportunity for Democrats, and the two are not necessarily in conflict," he said.

The biggest opportunity he noted was the prospect of an Israeli-Palestinian peace amid the impending demise of Yasser Arafat.

Peace in the region would "take enormous steam" out of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism worldwide, Clinton said. "They would have to think of a new excuse to murder people."

While some on the left are going right back into their hate obessesion and voting conspriracy theories, my hope is that many of you lefties will look forward and try to reach across the aisle to us. Reexamine where the extremists are taking your party, let go of the hate, and come back to the table so we can work together and your party can be contenders again.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Looks like Clinton is pulling a "Dick Lamm" and trying to make some intelligent statements rather than being a party lap dog after he no longer can run for office. Hope the dems and reps take some notice and begin to bring us some good candidates so we can look forward to elections rather than dread them

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Big Guy

Looks like Clinton is pulling a "Dick Lamm" and trying to make some intelligent statements rather than being a party lap dog after he no longer can run for office. Hope the dems and reps take some notice and begin to bring us some good candidates so we can look forward to elections rather than dread them

I remember Dick Lamm ..... Alot of People didnt like Clinton , but Clinton was his own man .......

[Exile_In_SJ]

Clinton is right, The far left elements of the Democrat Party need to take a chill pill. They lost and they need to let the moderates of the party take control if the Party wants to have a brighter future than a permanent minority party like the republicans were for so long.

But I bet the party doesn't take his advice and drifts even further off to the left and becomes more and more irrelevent.

[TexanBob]

I really hate agreeing with Slick but I keep going back to the Republicans in 1996. Hate won't work as a campaign theme against an incumbent. Too many Americans don't want their president trashed no matter what party he represents.

If you're going to beat an incumbent, you need better ideas instead of nastier soundbites.

[Rohirrim]

Clinton is right, The far left elements of the Democrat Party need to take a chill pill. They lost and they need to let the moderates of the party take control if the Party wants to have a brighter future than a permanent minority party like the republicans were for so long.

But I bet the party doesn't take his advice and drifts even further off to the left and becomes more and more irrelevent.

Check the mote in thine own eye. The GOP has dumped its moderates and gone hard right and then ran a campaign based on fear and smear. Oh, I forgot, the Swiftboat Liars had nothing to do with the Bush campaign. Why did the hick base run to the polls? To express their anti-gay bigotry. For every person who voted for Bush because they believe in his economic policies and pre-emptive war ideas, there were five who voted for him because their homo-phobia was stirred up.

I really hate agreeing with Slick but I keep going back to the Republicans in 1996. Hate won't work as a campaign theme against an incumbent. Too many Americans don't want their president trashed no matter what party he represents.

If you're going to beat an incumbent, you need better ideas instead of nastier soundbites.

Hate? This coming from a party that smeared three war heroes, spread fear by warning of "atomic bombs in our cities" and "another Pearl Harbor", and used the battle cry "The Homos are Coming!" in order to get elected.

[watermock]

This coming from a party that smeared three war heroes, spread fear by warning of "atomic bombs in our cities" and "another Pearl Harbor", and used the battle cry "The Homos are Coming!" in order to get elected.

Talk about sour grapes. Is this your LABF impression? Why not throw in a Bartcop cartoon.

Show me one quote. Talk about smear jobs.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

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While some on the left are going right back into their hate obessesion and voting conspriracy theories, my hope is that many of you lefties will look forward and try to reach across the aisle to us. Reexamine where the extremists are taking your party, let go of the hate, and come back to the table so we can work together and your party can be contenders again.

And I hope "you reach across the isle to us" ...........what a crock of BS. Are you the new self-appointed spokesman for all the "righties"?

[watermock]

Why should we reach across the isle to Anarchists? They are a bunch of ungrateful idiots. If they want to be Anarchists they can live in a cave with Bin Laden.

[Exile_In_SJ]

Rohirrim is coming unhinged, he needs psychological help. He's letting his hate overcome him.

[broncogary]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

For every person who voted for Bush because they believe in his economic policies and pre-emptive war ideas, there were five who voted for him because their homo-phobia was stirred up.

Do you have any source for this?

[Exile_In_SJ]

from Betsys page..

sums it up quite well...

You know, for all their sense of moral superiority, the liberals are really quite immature. Look at the fetal position that many have assumed in response to the election results. Or look at the childish way that they have struck out at conservatives calling Bush supporters ignorant and bigoted. Or look at an episode like what just happened to the GOP office in Raleigh, NC. I used to pride myself that I lived in a civilized state where people were basically polite to each other no matter their ideological differences. But, that is not the case for everyone. Is this the behavior of mature citizens?
An apparent mob of vandals attacked North Carolina Republican Party headquarters late Friday, leaving behind minor smoke damage, broken windows and vulgar messages, authorities said.
A police officer reported earlier in the night that about 100 people wearing masks and gloves were walking down a street near the headquarters, Raleigh Police Capt. D.S. Overman said. The vandalism happened between 11 and 11:30 p.m., the result of an obviously "planned and orchestrated event," police spokesman Jim Sughrue said.
"This is not a political statement," Sughrue said. "A political statement is what we made Tuesday. This is a crime."
Police had detained several suspects early Saturday, but had filed no charges, Sughrue said. They were also taking steps to protect state Democratic Party offices from possible vandalism, he said.
Investigators at the scene found a partially burned, two-headed effigy in military fatigues. One head had the face of President Bush and the other the face of his failed Democratic challenger John Kerry.
They also found several spent fireworks, poster boards with slogans and spraypainted expletives on the walls. At least two windows were broken and police said it appeared as if the vandals tried to put incendiary devices inside of the building.
A few more incidents like this and I'm quite prepared to assume the attitude of moral superiority more typical of a leftist elite.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Originally Posted by broncogary

Do you have any source for this?

Of course he doesn't. He's taken to making up numbers in anyway to justify to himself on why Kerry didn't win. He's gone off the reservation in the last week.

[Exile_In_SJ]

leftists don't need proof, it's enough for them to accuse...look at the whole campaign.

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

And I hope "you reach across the isle to us" ...........what a crock of BS. Are you the new self-appointed spokesman for all the "righties"?

I love you.

[TexanBob]

Hate? This coming from a party that smeared three war heroes, spread fear by warning of "atomic bombs in our cities" and "another Pearl Harbor", and used the battle cry "The Homos are Coming!" in order to get elected.

Yes, hate. Big time. Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate! That was the ENTIRE Democrat platform.

Hate Bush.
Hate Ashcroft.
Hate Rumsfeld.
Hate Cheney.
Hate GOP Senators.
Hate Fox News.
Hate Rush.
Hate God.

If you weren't calling them morons, you were calling them Nazis. If you weren't calling them liars, you were calling them evil.

Full-time 24/7/365 big-tittied wall-to-wall HATE. You may not see it, but that was all Democrats offered the American people in 2004 and that's why you lost everywhere that mattered. I didn't see happy faces behind those Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers. I saw grumpy, mean, hostile ogres who only found joy in rubbing other people's noses in your misery. You cheered bad news from Iraq. You celebrated bad news in the economy. You high-fived each other whenever the price of oil went up and then bristled whenever somebody complained you were anti-American.

Democrats remind me of the old hag that looked kinda cute 30 years ago but now unloads on anyone within earshot about how miserable their lives are and eager to blame anyone but themselves. It's VERY unattractive and it explains why nobody wants to be around you except other miserable old hags.

America said no to your meanness and hate and now it is time to look in the mirror and find some ideas that will appeal to the mainstream rather than the fringe whackos that have taken over your party and turned it hard left like Dale Earnhardt's last ride. And you are facing roughly the same results as #3. Morte.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

Hate God.

Figment of your imagination ........

over your party and turned it hard left like Dale Earnhardt's last ride. And you are facing roughly the same results as #3. Morte.

Important safty tip here ..... No Right turns in Nascar ........ Thanks texan Bob we will keep that in mind .........
On another note , I have pretty much kept my mouth shut on this hate thing , but Texan look no futher then yourself ........ you are the last person here to talk about hate ............ I could list a couple more posting here just like you . you guys cry about LABF , yet turn around and do the exact same things he does , just a different message ......... you may not cut and paste , or link pictures , but the hate in your message is just the same .........

[Spider]

Basicaly clean up your own backyard before you try to clean up ours ..........

[TheDave]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

Yes, hate. Big time. Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate! That was the ENTIRE Democrat platform.

Hate Bush.
Hate Ashcroft.
Hate Rumsfeld.
Hate Cheney.
Hate GOP Senators.
Hate Fox News.
Hate Rush.
Hate God.

If you weren't calling them morons, you were calling them Nazis. If you weren't calling them liars, you were calling them evil.

Full-time 24/7/365 big-tittied wall-to-wall HATE. You may not see it, but that was all Democrats offered the American people in 2004 and that's why you lost everywhere that mattered. I didn't see happy faces behind those Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers. I saw grumpy, mean, hostile ogres who only found joy in rubbing other people's noses in your misery. You cheered bad news from Iraq. You celebrated bad news in the economy. You high-fived each other whenever the price of oil went up and then bristled whenever somebody complained you were anti-American.

Democrats remind me of the old hag that looked kinda cute 30 years ago but now unloads on anyone within earshot about how miserable their lives are and eager to blame anyone but themselves. It's VERY unattractive and it explains why nobody wants to be around you except other miserable old hags.

America said no to your meanness and hate and now it is time to look in the mirror and find some ideas that will appeal to the mainstream rather than the fringe whackos that have taken over your party and turned it hard left like Dale Earnhardt's last ride. And you are facing roughly the same results as #3. Morte.

I wonder if Bob has any relation to Robb... both their ramblings seem to make about the same amount of sense....

[baja]

The American people have spoken assuming the vote was not tampered with.

Bush has been given a mandate for his policies so expect more of the same.

What happens to America now is the fault of an overwhelming majority of Americans that voted fro GWB.

No one can say Bush said one thing to get elected and than did another when he got into office this time around.

For better or worse America deserves what they get these next four years.

Good Luck!

[broncogary]

Originally Posted by baja fan

The American people have spoken assuming the vote was not tampered with.

Oh, so you think LABF might be a credible source?

[baja]

Originally Posted by broncogary

Oh, so you think LABF might be a credible source?

What does LABF have to do with my takes?

Let me answer that for you, nothing.

[Rohirrim]

Yes, I hate Bush. I hate him because he espouses a moral platform, and yet has no morals. He is the wolf in sheep's clothing. I've actually read my Bible and I know a false prophet when I see one. "By his fruits shall you know him." Bush is the classic Philistine.

Bush wins because he scares the people. He wins because he has surrogates who he sends out to smear war heroes with lies. He has surrogates who call voters late at night to whisper, "He has a black child" or "His time in the Hanoi Hilton has left him unhinged." He has surrogates forward a Constitutional ban on gay marriage (just to get it on the front pages - it has no chance of passing), blames the ills of society on activist judges (in other words, those who stick up for the rights of the minority) then he follows that up with gay bashing amendments in each of the swing states which drive many scared evangelicals to the polls. He manipulates people's fears to get them to the polls. He parades around as a "compassionate conservative" when compassion is the last thing on his agenda, unless you're a billionaire.

Why did Jesus tell the story of the Good Samaritan over and over again? To set an example for mankind. Will Bush's free ride to the gouging drug companies comfort the elderly? Will his refusal to allow the poor to buy cheaper drugs from Canada bring healing to the sick? Will his destruction of Head Start and school lunch programs put food in the stomachs of poor children? He ran as a compassionate conservative the first time. I have yet to see any fruits of that compassion. I'm betting in four more years, I won't see any either.

Then there's the "Uniter, not divider." That one's the biggest laugher of the whole hypocritical lot.

[TexanBob]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Figment of your imagination ........

Yeah, all those people trying to scrub God from the courthouse and the schools, that's just me dreaming. Thanks for correcting me.

On another note , I have pretty much kept my mouth shut on this hate thing , but Texan look no futher then yourself ........ you are the last person here to talk about hate ............ I could list a couple more posting here just like you . you guys cry about LABF , yet turn around and do the exact same things he does , just a different message ......... you may not cut and paste , or link pictures , but the hate in your message is just the same .........

I don't hate anyone (thanks in part to the ignore feature lol). I am defending and correcting scurillous and often baseless charges made by the haters. I've said here plenty of times that what the left is saying now is not unlike what I saw from the right during the Clinton years. It didn't work when the right did it and it's not working when the left does it now.

After 1996, rather than post after post and column after column calling Americans ignorant, stupid rubes just because they voted against our guy, the Republicans realized that, to win elections again, they needed to start fresh with someone who could appeal to the middle.

Eight years later, that's what the Democrats need to do but they reject most of the level-headed members of their own party like Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson and instead force hard-core leftists like Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry to the forefront. The only two new Democrat senate candidates to win this year were moderates - Obama and Salazar. There's a lesson to be learned from that.

Maybe they'd rather be a minority party and be beholden to the extreme left than wise up and battle for the middle. If they don't, they'll soon pull numbers similar to the Greens and the Libertarians.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

Yeah, all those people trying to scrub God from the courthouse and the schools, that's just me dreaming. Thanks for correcting me.

you're welcome , that just wasnt democrats doing that ....... you was dreaming alright , but then it is always easy to blame a democrat , but then I guess I should hold the right to Fawells words , that America deserved 9-11 ..... Works both ways ....... Then I could bring up Alen Keys , he has even ran as a Republican .........

I don't hate anyone (thanks in part to the ignore feature lol). I am defending and correcting scurillous and often baseless charges made by the haters. I've said here plenty of times that what the left is saying now is not unlike what I saw from the right during the Clinton years. It didn't work when the right did it and it's not working when the left does it now.

there you go again blaming the left , I dont know maybe you dont see it , but it is evedent in your , exile , errand's post ...... you guys have some serious issues .........

After 1996, rather than post after post and column after column calling Americans ignorant, stupid rubes just because they voted against our guy, the Republicans realized that, to win elections again, they needed to start fresh with someone who could appeal to the middle.

you dont like the hate huh , well now you know how the left felt when the right went after Clinton , I have seen your postings about Hillary , and the woman has never done anything to you ...... What I am saying is stop being so self rightious and point your own finger at yourself while you are on your soap box preaching a hollier then thou sermon , yet doing the same thing .......

Eight years later, that's what the Democrats need to do but they reject most of the level-headed members of their own party like Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson and instead force hard-core leftists like Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry to the forefront. The only two new Democrat senate candidates to win this year were moderates - Obama and Salazar. There's a lesson to be learned from that.

Ilove how you leave the govenorships out of the dialouge ..... The Democrats have Problems , we will fix it , but thanks for your concern about our great party ......

Maybe they'd rather be a minority party and be beholden to the extreme left than wise up and battle for the middle. If they don't, they'll soon pull numbers similar to the Greens and the Libertarians.

you mean the Republican Party just 24 years ago ......