Now this speaks Volumes ....... about Republican voters

[Spider]

http://www.pipa.org/
Bush Supporters Still Believe Iraq Had WMD or Major Program,
Supported al Qaeda

Agree with Kerry Supporters Bush Administration Still Saying This is the Case
Agree US Should Not Have Gone to War if No WMD or Support for al Qaeda

Bush Supporters Misperceive World Public as Not Opposed to Iraq War,
Favoring Bush Reelection


Even after the final report of Charles Duelfer to Congress saying that Iraq did not have a significant WMD program, 72% of Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq had actual WMD (47%) or a major program for developing them (25%). Fifty-six percent assume that most experts believe Iraq had actual WMD and 57% also assume, incorrectly, that Duelfer concluded Iraq had at least a major WMD program. Kerry supporters hold opposite beliefs on all these points.

Similarly, 75% of Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda, and 63% believe that clear evidence of this support has been found. Sixty percent of Bush supporters assume that this is also the conclusion of most experts, and 55% assume, incorrectly, that this was the conclusion of the 9/11 Commission. Here again, large majorities of Kerry supporters have exactly opposite perceptions.

These are some of the findings of a new study of the differing perceptions of Bush and Kerry supporters, conducted by the Program on International Policy Attitudes and Knowledge Networks, based on polls conducted in September and October.

Steven Kull, director of PIPA, comments, "One of the reasons that Bush supporters have these beliefs is that they perceive the Bush administration confirming them. Interestingly, this is one point on which Bush and Kerry supporters agree." Eighty-two percent of Bush supporters perceive the Bush administration as saying that Iraq had WMD (63%) or that Iraq had a major WMD program (19%). Likewise, 75% say that the Bush administration is saying Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda. Equally large majorities of Kerry supporters hear the Bush administration expressing these views--73% say the Bush administration is saying Iraq had WMD (11% a major program) and 74% that Iraq was substantially supporting al Qaeda.

Steven Kull adds, "Another reason that Bush supporters may hold to these beliefs is that they have not accepted the idea that it does not matter whether Iraq had WMD or supported al Qaeda. Here too they are in agreement with Kerry supporters." Asked whether the US should have gone to war with Iraq if US intelligence had concluded that Iraq was not making WMD or providing support to al Qaeda, 58% of Bush supporters said the US should not have, and 61% assume that in this case the President would not have. Kull continues, "To support the president and to accept that he took the US to war based on mistaken assumptions likely creates substantial cognitive dissonance, and leads Bush supporters to suppress awareness of unsettling information about prewar Iraq."

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This tendency of Bush supporters to ignore dissonant information extends to other realms as well. Despite an abundance of evidence--including polls conducted by Gallup International in 38 countries, and more recently by a consortium of leading newspapers in 10 major countries--only 31% of Bush supporters recognize that the majority of people in the world oppose the US having gone to war with Iraq. Forty-two percent assume that views are evenly divided, and 26% assume that the majority approves. Among Kerry supporters, 74% assume that the majority of the world is opposed.

Similarly, 57% of Bush supporters assume that the majority of people in the world would favor Bush's reelection; 33% assumed that views are evenly divided and only 9% assumed that Kerry would be preferred. A recent poll by GlobeScan and PIPA of 35 of the major countries around the world found that in 30, a majority or plurality favored Kerry, while in just 3 Bush was favored. On average, Kerry was preferred more than two to one.

Bush supporters also have numerous misperceptions about Bush's international policy positions. Majorities incorrectly assume that Bush supports multilateral approaches to various international issues--the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (69%), the treaty banning land mines (72%)--and for addressing the problem of global warming: 51% incorrectly assume he favors US participation in the Kyoto treaty. After he denounced the International Criminal Court in the debates, the perception that he favored it dropped from 66%, but still 53% continue to believe that he favors it. An overwhelming 74% incorrectly assumes that he favors including labor and environmental standards in trade agreements. In all these cases, majorities of Bush supporters favor the positions they impute to Bush. Kerry supporters are much more accurate in their perceptions of his positions on these issues.

"The roots of the Bush supporters' resistance to information," according to Steven Kull, "very likely lie in the traumatic experience of 9/11 and equally in the near pitch-perfect leadership that President Bush showed in its immediate wake. This appears to have created a powerful bond between Bush and his supporters--and an idealized image of the President that makes it difficult for his supporters to imagine that he could have made incorrect judgments before the war, that world public opinion could be critical of his policies or that the President could hold foreign policy positions that are at odds with his supporters."

The polls were conducted October 12-18 and September 3-7 and 8-12 with samples of 968, 798 and 959 respondents, respectively. Margins of error were 3.2 to 4% in the first and third surveys and 3.5% on September 3-7. The poll was fielded by Knowledge Networks using its nationwide panel, which is randomly selected from the entire adult population and subsequently provided internet access. For more information about this methodology, go to www.knowledgenetworks.com/ganp.


Funding for this research was provided by the Rockefeller Brothers Fund.

For more information on the PIPA poll see:
Report of Findings
Questionnaire
Press Release

[TailgateNut]

No wonder the cost of healthcare is so high, with so many lobotomies performed in the past four years!

[Rohirrim]

Why am I not surprised.

[Spider]

Well I posted this so we could understand the right better , After all the right isnt the enemy .... Maybe if we can understand how they see this war on Iraq and Bush , the better we can discuss issues and express our point of view more effectively..



Or we can call them Idiots either is good

[bendog]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...xlynu0x_photo0

The "coalition of the willing" in Iraq (news - web sites) has vanished -- from the White House Internet site, at any rate. President George Bush (news - web sites)'s list of about 50 countries that openly backed the invasion to topple Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) was once easily found at www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/coalition.html(White House)

[Rohirrim]

"The roots of the Bush supporters' resistance to information," according to Steven Kull, "very likely lie in the traumatic experience of 9/11 and equally in the near pitch-perfect leadership that President Bush showed in its immediate wake. This appears to have created a powerful bond between Bush and his supporters--and an idealized image of the President that makes it difficult for his supporters to imagine that he could have made incorrect judgments before the war, that world public opinion could be critical of his policies or that the President could hold foreign policy positions that are at odds with his supporters."

This is the key paragraph (IMO). Also, instead of leading us to confront fear, Bush/Cheney & Co. are encouraging us to wallow in it. The emperor has no clothes, people.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Bush Supporters Still Believe Iraq Had WMD or Major Program,
Supported al Qaeda

This new breed of neocons and neofascists who have hijacked the republican party have demonstrated a readiness to put party loyalty before country every single time.

They simply cannot admit that Smirk has ever made a mistake--even if it means having to deny reality and to see three fingers when KKKarl Rove is only holding up two.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bush must be tried as a war criminal

Thousands killed, billions stolen - all for the sake of pure greed

To commit a crime against peace, one must engage in planning, preparation, initiation or waging of war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties . . . or participation in a common plan or conspiracy. . . to wage an aggressive war. Bush is guilty on all these counts. The most damning evidence coming not from the liberal left, but in a series of well-documented books providing revelations by people in his own administration or party. Now, with Woodwards work, the President is condemned with his own words.

Author Ron Susskinds book about former Bush Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, The Price of Loyalty, reveals that from the very beginning of the Bush administration, the President was plotting and conspiring to wage aggressive war against Iraq. In Against All Enemies, Bush's counter-terrorism expert, Richard Clarke, not only confirmed O'Neill's account of the Bush administrations obsession with attacking Iraq, yet also shows us an insiders view on the illegal planning, preparation and initiation of the war through the deliberate manipulation of intelligence. President Nixon's strategist, Kevin Phillips, documents four generations of war profiteering and deception by the Bush/Walker clan in American Dynasty.

http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/873

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The shrinking GOP

http://hartfordadvocate.com/gbase/Ne...?oid=oid:86383

First, a word to my Republican friends. By "Republican," I mean the sort of Republican my dad, the U.S. Army colonel/civil engineer, was: fiscally conservative, pragmatic, a true conservationist when it came to "the outdoors," as he called it. The only things in which he was a true believer were science, technology and hard work. I like to think he passed on some of these traits to his son and daughters, but I am not -- nor are they -- Republican.

I won't bore you with why that is. What I do want to suggest to you is that your party is dying. You are watching its death throes in the person of George W. Bush. He's the embodiment of the worst aspects of the far right wing. While he has been "talking to God" and basing decisions on crackpot neoconservative dreams of empire, the country is tanking fiscally and we are on track to becoming a second-rate nation. Russia, the former heart of the Cold War beast, just approved the Kyoto Protocol while we stand down, quivering behind our facade of invincibility. Already, France and Italy (!) are ahead of us technologically. "Old Europe" is kicking our ass on the stock market too. The damage, though too early to fully assess, is profound. We're the world's largest debtor nation. Whenever our creditors want to, they can call in their chips and eventually we'll pay them ... but with what? "Clean coal" or "hydrogen cars"? Community college vouchers? Forget it.

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

The shrinking GOP

http://hartfordadvocate.com/gbase/Ne...?oid=oid:86383

First, a word to my Republican friends. By "Republican," I mean the sort of Republican my dad, the U.S. Army colonel/civil engineer, was: fiscally conservative, pragmatic, a true conservationist when it came to "the outdoors," as he called it. The only things in which he was a true believer were science, technology and hard work. I like to think he passed on some of these traits to his son and daughters, but I am not -- nor are they -- Republican.

I won't bore you with why that is. What I do want to suggest to you is that your party is dying. You are watching its death throes in the person of George W. Bush. He's the embodiment of the worst aspects of the far right wing.

our party is dying? LABF, you need to look at history. Let's go twelve years ago. In 1992 the majority of registered voters were Democrats. The House and the Senate were controlled be Democrats. The President was a Democrat. The majority of governors were Democrats. The majority of state legislators were Democrats and the majority of state legislatures were controlled by Democrats.

Now Registered voters are equal; a disadvantage to you as Republicans have a 20% higher turnout rate than registered Dems. The country is now strongly Republican. Some of you will be quick to point out that "that's 911, and once that wears off, it'll switch back." WRONG. There has been paradaigm shift in this country since the early 90's and checking the most recent polling data and last election cycle I don't see it slowing down.

No, LABF, it is your party that is obviously dying. Once Bush in out of the white House, whether next February or four years from then, you will no longer have a hate figure to unite your fractionalized group and the cracks will really come to be seen.

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

While he has been "talking to God"...

This comment pissed me off. I'm a man of deep faith, and the fact that you think Bush's religious beliefs are something to disdain and make light of makes me lose what very miniscule respect I had for you. I hope you don't agree with part of the article.

To me a person's faith is sacred and personal. Bush has said he prays for guidance. I "talk to God" through prayer too. WOW! You know billions of humans do that every day, that our President does is not only normal, its admirable. If you can't handle a man praying, there is something seriously wrong with you. And that goes for all of you anti-religious people. I don't care if you're a Budhist, Christian, Muslim or Atheist as long you respect others' beliefs and not criticize or demean people's personal experiences.

I can tollerate you ripping Bush for his policies but attacking someone's faith to me is to attack the sacred. And I think the same thing of people going after Kerry's faith.

[watermock]

this thread is ****ed up.

First, I didn't know it was criminal or insane to pray.

Explain that to me.

I'm keeping my options open. I have had some paranormal experiences and had Pastor that truly saw God, and this man was genuine. He played tabletop hockey with me in the Chruch so he's no liar.

I pity people with no faith. Even if there isn't a God, the very faith of one let's us live in a civilized manner. I know the arguments, I almost became a Preacher. My Faith was not strong enough in the scientific evidence that so much is undiscovered.

My philosphical studies did me more good Descartes and Castenada gave a good mix, but we are what we read right?

I will match myself against anyone on theology, but that isn't the point.

The point is the relevant, real time influence and good or bad of specifics toward the human condition.

I put the barium line there, not because I am a Christian, but because I am a caring human.

It makes my stomach turn to see a CARE woman who has been in IRAQ for 30 years begging for life. These bastards have no soul, they are the epitome of evil. When they saw off her head, it will be their heads handed to judgement.

I won't go into how Islam is a false religion, or even if Christ is the Savior or the Second Coming. It's irrelevant. It's what he represented.

Forgivness, Freedom, and Expression of thought.

Sound a little familiar to our Constitution?

Or you prefer the German Concentration Camps, the French Beheadings, Pol Pot, and on and on and on. We should all be very proud of our country.

If John Kerry is elected, it will be a huge burden. What liberal boy doesn't even comprehend thru his blackened glasses is that we all want to do what is right for the country.

I am not a Bush fan, but these are dangerous times. I could talk about the attempt of the EU to supplant the Dollar as the world currency a million times, but it isn't going to grow oil in France. But at least they were smart enough to have 80 percent of their electricity from Nuclear. We haven't built a plant in 30 years and are asking for an accident. 3 mile Island was a Homer just like Chernobyl.

Back to the point if I can remember what it was.

It used to be that the President would pray for his country. Now it's some crime to oppose partial birth abortions?

I used to be a liberal, and still am socially, but give me a break. Kerry keeps being SORO's biatch running ads that we are going to reinstate the draft! Again and Again.

Kerry has lost ground to 6 points in Iowa, where he "got his goose".

Iowa can smell pig shiat.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by watermock

Kerry has lost ground to 6 points in Iowa, where he "got his goose".

Iowa can smell pig shiat.

, Kerry recent hunting trip was in Ohio , but then you know what I say IOWA
Idiots
Out
Wandering
Around ..............

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

our party is dying? LABF, you need to look at history. Let's go twelve years ago. In 1992 the majority of registered voters were Democrats. The House and the Senate were controlled be Democrats. The President was a Democrat. The majority of governors were Democrats. The majority of state legislators were Democrats and the majority of state legislatures were controlled by Democrats.

Now Registered voters are equal; a disadvantage to you as Republicans have a 20% higher turnout rate than registered Dems. The country is now strongly Republican. Some of you will be quick to point out that "that's 911, and once that wears off, it'll switch back." WRONG. There has been paradaigm shift in this country since the early 90's and checking the most recent polling data and last election cycle I don't see it slowing down.

No, LABF, it is your party that is obviously dying. Once Bush in out of the white House, whether next February or four years from then, you will no longer have a hate figure to unite your fractionalized group and the cracks will really come to be seen.

The facts in the article I posted were obviously lost on you.

The GOP has only been able to attain power by cheating, e.g., election theft, voter purging, illegal re-districting schemes, etc. There are more of us than there are of you. The only valid point you made was the one about the voter turnout ratio--but you better expect that to change dramatically this time around.

Originally Posted by Kaylore

This comment pissed me off. I'm a man of deep faith, and the fact that you think Bush's religious beliefs are something to disdain and make light of makes me lose what very miniscule respect I had for you. I hope you don't agree with part of the article.

To me a person's faith is sacred and personal. Bush has said he prays for guidance. I "talk to God" through prayer too. WOW! You know billions of humans do that every day, that our President does is not only normal, its admirable. If you can't handle a man praying, there is something seriously wrong with you. And that goes for all of you anti-religious people. I don't care if you're a Budhist, Christian, Muslim or Atheist as long you respect others' beliefs and not criticize or demean people's personal experiences.

I can tollerate you ripping Bush for his policies but attacking someone's faith to me is to attack the sacred. And I think the same thing of people going after Kerry's faith.

Two problems:

1) Last I checked, there was a little thing called "seperation of church and state" here in America. I don't want to hear about Bush's religious beliefs. They have no place in government. He should keep them private, or at least restrict their discussion to interviews re: his private life.

2) Bush's so-called religious faith is phonier than a three dollar bill, IMO.

It all started with his gubernatorial campaign in Texas. Karl Rove convinced GeeDubya he could win the race if he pandered to the evangelicals on the far-right. It worked, and Smirk and Rove have stuck with the formula.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

The GOP has only been able to attain power by cheating, e.g., election theft, voter purging, illegal re-districting schemes, etc.

"Only"? So when a Republican wins a race by (say) 60%-70% of the vote, cheating had to be involved?

It all started with his gubernatorial campaign in Texas. Karl Rove convinced GeeDubya he could win the race if he pandered to the evangelicals on the far-right.

That's OK - Kerry and other Democrats pander to the unions, the teachers, the education bureaucracy, the lawyers...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by W*GS

That's OK - Kerry and other Democrats pander to the unions, the teachers, the education bureaucracy, the lawyers...

You mean they "pander" to institutions that protect the rights and the welfare of ordinary Americans?

How awful!

[twotimes3233]

This comment pissed me off. I'm a man of deep faith, and the fact that you think Bush's religious beliefs are something to disdain and make light of makes me lose what very miniscule respect I had for you. I hope you don't agree with part of the article.

To me a person's faith is sacred and personal. Bush has said he prays for guidance. I "talk to God" through prayer too. WOW! You know billions of humans do that every day, that our President does is not only normal, its admirable. If you can't handle a man praying, there is something seriously wrong with you. And that goes for all of you anti-religious people. I don't care if you're a Budhist, Christian, Muslim or Atheist as long you respect others' beliefs and not criticize or demean people's personal experiences.

I can tollerate you ripping Bush for his policies but attacking someone's faith to me is to attack the sacred. And I think the same thing of people going after Kerry's faith.

I got news for you.
BUSH couldn't quote a scripture if you pointed a loaded 357 to his temple.

NO MAN THAT BELIEVES IN THE LORD could slaughter so many innocent men, women, and children and sleep soundly at night.

I think I read recently that Bush is in bed promptly at 9:00 pm each evening.

Doesn't sound to me like he's losing any sleep.

With his poll numbers dropping further and further it's obvious that the American public is starting to figure out that they have been had.

As a person of faith myself, I chose to believe that Jesus was a man of peace.

The polar opposite of the evil that now resides in the highest office in the land.

I'm sure Jesus would have got a laugh out of that "no WMD's here" skit for the press as he looked under the couch in the oval office.

[DBruleU]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

our party is dying? LABF, you need to look at history. Let's go twelve years ago. In 1992 the majority of registered voters were Democrats. The House and the Senate were controlled be Democrats. The President was a Democrat. The majority of governors were Democrats. The majority of state legislators were Democrats and the majority of state legislatures were controlled by Democrats.

Now Registered voters are equal; a disadvantage to you as Republicans have a 20% higher turnout rate than registered Dems. The country is now strongly Republican. Some of you will be quick to point out that "that's 911, and once that wears off, it'll switch back." WRONG. There has been paradaigm shift in this country since the early 90's and checking the most recent polling data and last election cycle I don't see it slowing down.

No, LABF, it is your party that is obviously dying. Once Bush in out of the white House, whether next February or four years from then, you will no longer have a hate figure to unite your fractionalized group and the cracks will really come to be seen.


This comment pissed me off. I'm a man of deep faith, and the fact that you think Bush's religious beliefs are something to disdain and make light of makes me lose what very miniscule respect I had for you. I hope you don't agree with part of the article.

To me a person's faith is sacred and personal. Bush has said he prays for guidance. I "talk to God" through prayer too. WOW! You know billions of humans do that every day, that our President does is not only normal, its admirable. If you can't handle a man praying, there is something seriously wrong with you. And that goes for all of you anti-religious people. I don't care if you're a Budhist, Christian, Muslim or Atheist as long you respect others' beliefs and not criticize or demean people's personal experiences.

I can tollerate you ripping Bush for his policies but attacking someone's faith to me is to attack the sacred. And I think the same thing of people going after Kerry's faith.

Rep.

[Rigs11]

Originally Posted by twotimes3233

This comment pissed me off. I'm a man of deep faith, and the fact that you think Bush's religious beliefs are something to disdain and make light of makes me lose what very miniscule respect I had for you. I hope you don't agree with part of the article.

To me a person's faith is sacred and personal. Bush has said he prays for guidance. I "talk to God" through prayer too. WOW! You know billions of humans do that every day, that our President does is not only normal, its admirable. If you can't handle a man praying, there is something seriously wrong with you. And that goes for all of you anti-religious people. I don't care if you're a Budhist, Christian, Muslim or Atheist as long you respect others' beliefs and not criticize or demean people's personal experiences.

I can tollerate you ripping Bush for his policies but attacking someone's faith to me is to attack the sacred. And I think the same thing of people going after Kerry's faith.

I got news for you.
BUSH couldn't quote a scripture if you pointed a loaded 357 to his temple.

NO MAN THAT BELIEVES IN THE LORD could slaughter so many innocent men, women, and children and sleep soundly at night.

I think I read recently that Bush is in bed promptly at 9:00 pm each evening.

Doesn't sound to me like he's losing any sleep.

With his poll numbers dropping further and further it's obvious that the American public is starting to figure out that they have been had.

As a person of faith myself, I chose to believe that Jesus was a man of peace.

The polar opposite of the evil that now resides in the highest office in the land.

I'm sure Jesus would have got a laugh out of that "no WMD's here" skit for the press as he looked under the couch in the oval office.

The bottom line is that talking to God should not influence the decisions that a president makes. And I think if God really talked to Dubya he would rip him a new one and guarantee him a place in hell.

[DBruleU]

Originally Posted by twotimes3233

This comment pissed me off. I'm a man of deep faith, and the fact that you think Bush's religious beliefs are something to disdain and make light of makes me lose what very miniscule respect I had for you. I hope you don't agree with part of the article.

To me a person's faith is sacred and personal. Bush has said he prays for guidance. I "talk to God" through prayer too. WOW! You know billions of humans do that every day, that our President does is not only normal, its admirable. If you can't handle a man praying, there is something seriously wrong with you. And that goes for all of you anti-religious people. I don't care if you're a Budhist, Christian, Muslim or Atheist as long you respect others' beliefs and not criticize or demean people's personal experiences.

I can tollerate you ripping Bush for his policies but attacking someone's faith to me is to attack the sacred. And I think the same thing of people going after Kerry's faith.

I got news for you.
BUSH couldn't quote a scripture if you pointed a loaded 357 to his temple.

NO MAN THAT BELIEVES IN THE LORD could slaughter so many innocent men, women, and children and sleep soundly at night.

I think I read recently that Bush is in bed promptly at 9:00 pm each evening.

Doesn't sound to me like he's losing any sleep.

With his poll numbers dropping further and further it's obvious that the American public is starting to figure out that they have been had.

As a person of faith myself, I chose to believe that Jesus was a man of peace.

The polar opposite of the evil that now resides in the highest office in the land.

I'm sure Jesus would have got a laugh out of that "no WMD's here" skit for the press as he looked under the couch in the oval office.

Couldnt quote a scripture? lol please. John Kerry was the one last election that coulnt even remember John 3:16. And yes Jesus was a man of peace, but since you are a man of faith, you would know God sent his people (Isreal) into war. So God isnt agaisnt war when its the right thing and only thing to do.

By God's grace alone he allowed us Americans to have a man Like Bush is office that has the courage to do what is right, even when its not popular. You dont win brownie points by doing whats right.

[DBruleU]

Originally Posted by Rigs11

The bottom line is that talking to God should not influence the decisions that a president makes. And I think if God really talked to Dubya he would rip him a new one and guarantee him a place in hell.

Why not? God is our moral compass in a morally-deprived world.

[Rigs11]

Originally Posted by DBruleU

Why not? God is our moral compass in a morally-deprived world.

Claiming to talk to God and claiming to be moral does not mean you are. As a president you should make decisions based on the best interests of your citizens ad leave your personal beliefs out of the decisions that affect us all.

[errand]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

This new breed of neocons and neofascists who have hijacked the republican party have demonstrated a readiness to put party loyalty before country every single time.

They simply cannot admit that Smirk has ever made a mistake--even if it means having to deny reality and to see three fingers when KKKarl Rove is only holding up two.

This coming from one of the Dems blog heads......you toe the party line so close, you probably know who the Dem leader's personal assistant is in Gopher Gulch, KS

We know Bush has made several mistakes....like allowing Ted Kennedy to write the majority of the education bill, or thinking he could ever get any semblance of bipartisan cooperation from you clowns on the left.

The difference between you leftist clowns and us is simple....we're generally right, your almost always wrong.

....you side with those that call our brave troops Nazi's, Pol Pot, Stalin.......and call those that cut the heads off of their hostages "freedom fighters"

....you worry about whether or not people who wish to fly more planes into our buildings and murder 3,000 innocent Americans at a time are being treated better than guests at the Waldorf Astoria.

....you think the way to deal with murderous thugs like terrorists is to give them hugs, more money, clean water, and free medical care instead of destroying their will to fight.

....you understand why terrorists cut the heads off their hostages, but cannot understand why American military prison guards would make prisoners in their charge wear women's panties on their heads.

....you believed Saddam had or was pursuing WMD's as late as '00 when your beloved Dems made claim after claim of such, but they magically disappeared on January 20, 2001.

...you think that a nation that empowers it's people with the freedoms to become whatever they want to be is always wrong, and those that oppress their people or stifle their growth is always right.

...you clowns embrace the false claims that our brave troops have murdered well over 30,000 innocent people, and dismiss the cold hard fact they have liberated over 50 million men, women, and children, who have never known what freedom was.

[errand]

Originally Posted by Rigs11

Claiming to talk to God and claiming to be moral does not mean you are. As a president you should make decisions based on the best interests of your citizens ad leave your personal beliefs out of the decisions that affect us all.

So tell us Rigs11....name a president whose decisions didn't reflect their own personal beliefs?

[errand]

Originally Posted by twotimes3233

As a person of faith myself, I chose to believe that Jesus was a man of peace.

...Jesus was a man of peace...but, He would open a can of whoop ass at the drop of a hat if it was in accordance to God's word....or have you forgotten how He destroyed the temple when they were doing nothing more than making a mockery out of a place to worship God.

What kills me the most is the left is always touting that typical 'yeah, that's what Jesus would do" line when they think it will contradict a Christian's beliefs on things like homosexuality is an abomination, when they fail to realize that Jesus never waivered from God's word...if God said it was wrong, Jesus said the exact same thing.