Kerry To Declare Victory, Sue His Way To Office - The Orange Mane

TexanBob · 10-20-2004, 11:42 AM

Win or lose, John Kerry plans to declare victory and fly thousands of lawyers to sue his way into the White House:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041020/D85R51DG3.html

Oct 20, 7:49 AM (ET)

By RON FOURNIER

WASHINGTON (AP) - Sen. John Kerry has a simple strategy if the presidential race is in doubt on Nov. 3, the day after the election: Do not repeat Al Gore's mistakes.

Unlike the former vice president, who lost a recount fight and the 2000 election, Kerry will be quick to declare victory on election night and begin defending it. He also will be prepared to name a national security team before knowing whether he's secured the presidency.

"The first thing we will do is make sure everybody has an opportunity to vote and every vote is counted," said Kerry spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter. "We will be ready to hit the ground running and begin a fresh start in this country, given that so many critical issues are before us."

The prospects for another contested election grow with every poll showing the race neck and neck.

Gore prematurely conceded the 2000 race to George W. Bush, then had to retract his concession after aides said Florida wasn't lost. He never declared victory, an omission Kerry's advisers - many of whom worked for Gore - now believe created a sense of inevitability in voters' minds about Bush's presidency.

Gore didn't plan for the legal showdown, though few could have predicted it before Election Day. And he watched as Bush seized political advantage during the 36-day recount by publicly discussing a transition to the White House.

Not this time, promise Kerry's advisers. If there is doubt about the results, they will fight without delay.

Six so-called "SWAT teams" of lawyers and political operatives will be situated around the country with fueled-up jets awaiting Kerry's orders to speed to a battleground state. The teams have been told to be ready to fly on the evening of the election to begin mounting legal and political fights. No team will be more than an hour from a battleground.

The Kerry campaign has office space in every battleground state, with plans so detailed they include the number of staplers and coffee machines needed to mount legal challenges.

"Right now, we have 10,000 lawyers out in the battleground states on Election Day, and that number is growing by the day," said Michael Whouley, a Kerry confidant who is running election operations at the Democratic National Committee.

While the lawyers litigate, political operatives will try to shape public perception. Their goal would be to persuade voters that Kerry has the best claim to the presidency and that Republicans are trying to steal it.

Democrats are already laying the public relations groundwork by pointing to every possible voting irregularity before the Nov. 2 election and accusing Republicans of wrongdoing.

On Election Day, Whouley will head the so-called "boiler room," probably in Washington, that tracks vote counts and ensures Kerry doesn't concede too soon. Whouley was the aide who, after noticing Florida was too close to call in 2000, called Gore's team in Tennessee and told them to put the brakes on the concession speech.

Campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill will be with Kerry in Boston, where they will field Whouley's calls.

Jim Johnson, who headed Kerry's vice presidential search team, former Labor Secretary Alexis Herman and longtime Kerry aide David McKean lead the team planning Kerry's transition to the White House.

Aides say the transition process is behind schedule, but Kerry will be ready to name a national security team shortly after the election. They say he has candidates in mind, but is reluctant to discuss the transition while campaigning.

The advisers spoke on condition of anonymity because Kerry wants the focus to be on his campaign for now.

The plan to quickly name a national security team is partly practical (at a time of war, continuity is necessary) and political, aides said, because if there is another recount Kerry will want to show he's ready to take power.

Amid the tumult of the 2000 recount, Bush sought to make his presidency appear as a matter of time by leaking word of his national security team and bringing news cameras into his transition meetings. Gore and his staff were more reluctant to talk about the appointment process.

Kerry's advisers say Bush would have a natural political advantage in a recount in this election because he is the president, with a national security team in place and a public relations spotlight that comes with the White House.

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To hell with what you stupid voters think, we Democrats *know* what's best for you and we'll prove it by stealing this election and forcing our will upon you by whatever means necessary, legal or illegal. We bungled it in 2000 so now we are coming back for your country - leaner, meaner and ready to take the nation by hook or crook. Our media will cover for us. Our judges will back us. Our lawyers are ready to fly wherever necessary to steal this election.

You only *think* your vote counts this year. It doesn't. Not when our judges are done with this election. Just watch.

Spider · 10-20-2004, 11:52 AM

....... I guess the Republicans dont have Lawyers ready to go huh ?
you are aware it was Republicans to file suit to sue in 2000 arent you ?

sorry to rain on your thread with truth ....Carry on

TexanBob · 10-20-2004, 11:56 AM

The difference is Republicans actually WON the election in 2000. Every media recount of Florida ballots supports that. All the Supreme Court did was call an end to all the ballot manipulation the Democrats were trying to create in order to steal it.

The lawsuits were necessary to stop Democrats from INVENTING more votes.

Sorry to have facts rain on your parade, moron. Carry on.

Spider · 10-20-2004, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexanBob

The difference is Republicans actually WON the election in 2000. Every media recount of Florida ballots supports that. All the Supreme Court did was call an end to all the ballot manipulation the Democrats were trying to create in order to steal it.

The lawsuits were necessary to stop Democrats from INVENTING more votes.

Sorry to have facts rain on your parade, moron. Carry on.

....... you calling me a Moron

, you eat spoon fed Shiat take it as gospel , then call someone a moron ..........

Antilles · 10-20-2004, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexanBob

The difference is Republicans actually WON the election in 2000. Every media recount of Florida ballots supports that. All the Supreme Court did was call an end to all the ballot manipulation the Democrats were trying to create in order to steal it.

The lawsuits were necessary to stop Democrats from INVENTING more votes.

Sorry to have facts rain on your parade, moron. Carry on.

So if Kerry actually wins the election his army of lawyers will be justified? Protecting your rights as a candidate is only proper if you get more electoral votes (since clearly the popular vote means nothing)?

The bottom line is that if this election is anywhere near as close as the last one, and its is pretty inevitable that it will be, lawyers from both sides will be flooding the courts with voter fraud and misconduct suits. Hell, virtually every law school in this country has formed an "Election Protection Collation" with students and area lawyers planning on maning the polls on Tuesday to ensure no one is improperly denied their right to vote. Frankly, I have some faith in the legal profession and sincerely doubt that the goal is, "if our guy doesn't win, cheat!" More accurately its: "do everything we can to get every vote for our guy counted." Personally, I think that should be a good thing, but unfortunately, it’s a fine line that most people don't trust lawyers and politicians to distinguish. Hence your paranoid suggestion that the democratic party would engage in illegal activity to steal the election.

My prediction: get ready for a **** storm. Remember how doubtful Bush's mandate to lead was pre-Sept. 11th? It’s going to be the same, or worse, regardless of wins this election. This country has become so polarized with all the my guy, your guy bull****, that suit are inevitable, and its only going to divide us further.

TexanBob · 10-20-2004, 05:26 PM

If Kerry wins legitimately, I have no quarrel with it. He'll tell his lawyers to stand down. But if he loses and yet still declares himself the winner and tries to run a six-week shell game like Gore did, there will be hell to pay.

Spider · 10-20-2004, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexanBob

If Kerry wins legitimately, I have no quarrel with it. He'll tell his lawyers to stand down. But if he loses and yet still declares himself the winner and tries to run a six-week shell game like Gore did, there will be hell to pay.

am sure Kerry is worried

10-20-2004, 11:42 AM	#1
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	Kerry To Declare Victory, Sue His Way To Office Win or lose, John Kerry plans to declare victory and fly thousands of lawyers to sue his way into the White House: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041020/D85R51DG3.html Oct 20, 7:49 AM (ET) By RON FOURNIER WASHINGTON (AP) - Sen. John Kerry has a simple strategy if the presidential race is in doubt on Nov. 3, the day after the election: Do not repeat Al Gore's mistakes. Unlike the former vice president, who lost a recount fight and the 2000 election, Kerry will be quick to declare victory on election night and begin defending it. He also will be prepared to name a national security team before knowing whether he's secured the presidency. "The first thing we will do is make sure everybody has an opportunity to vote and every vote is counted," said Kerry spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter. "We will be ready to hit the ground running and begin a fresh start in this country, given that so many critical issues are before us." The prospects for another contested election grow with every poll showing the race neck and neck. Gore prematurely conceded the 2000 race to George W. Bush, then had to retract his concession after aides said Florida wasn't lost. He never declared victory, an omission Kerry's advisers - many of whom worked for Gore - now believe created a sense of inevitability in voters' minds about Bush's presidency. Gore didn't plan for the legal showdown, though few could have predicted it before Election Day. And he watched as Bush seized political advantage during the 36-day recount by publicly discussing a transition to the White House. Not this time, promise Kerry's advisers. If there is doubt about the results, they will fight without delay. Six so-called "SWAT teams" of lawyers and political operatives will be situated around the country with fueled-up jets awaiting Kerry's orders to speed to a battleground state. The teams have been told to be ready to fly on the evening of the election to begin mounting legal and political fights. No team will be more than an hour from a battleground. The Kerry campaign has office space in every battleground state, with plans so detailed they include the number of staplers and coffee machines needed to mount legal challenges. "Right now, we have 10,000 lawyers out in the battleground states on Election Day, and that number is growing by the day," said Michael Whouley, a Kerry confidant who is running election operations at the Democratic National Committee. While the lawyers litigate, political operatives will try to shape public perception. Their goal would be to persuade voters that Kerry has the best claim to the presidency and that Republicans are trying to steal it. Democrats are already laying the public relations groundwork by pointing to every possible voting irregularity before the Nov. 2 election and accusing Republicans of wrongdoing. On Election Day, Whouley will head the so-called "boiler room," probably in Washington, that tracks vote counts and ensures Kerry doesn't concede too soon. Whouley was the aide who, after noticing Florida was too close to call in 2000, called Gore's team in Tennessee and told them to put the brakes on the concession speech. Campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill will be with Kerry in Boston, where they will field Whouley's calls. Jim Johnson, who headed Kerry's vice presidential search team, former Labor Secretary Alexis Herman and longtime Kerry aide David McKean lead the team planning Kerry's transition to the White House. Aides say the transition process is behind schedule, but Kerry will be ready to name a national security team shortly after the election. They say he has candidates in mind, but is reluctant to discuss the transition while campaigning. The advisers spoke on condition of anonymity because Kerry wants the focus to be on his campaign for now. The plan to quickly name a national security team is partly practical (at a time of war, continuity is necessary) and political, aides said, because if there is another recount Kerry will want to show he's ready to take power. Amid the tumult of the 2000 recount, Bush sought to make his presidency appear as a matter of time by leaking word of his national security team and bringing news cameras into his transition meetings. Gore and his staff were more reluctant to talk about the appointment process. Kerry's advisers say Bush would have a natural political advantage in a recount in this election because he is the president, with a national security team in place and a public relations spotlight that comes with the White House. ================================================= To hell with what you stupid voters think, we Democrats know what's best for you and we'll prove it by stealing this election and forcing our will upon you by whatever means necessary, legal or illegal. We bungled it in 2000 so now we are coming back for your country - leaner, meaner and ready to take the nation by hook or crook. Our media will cover for us. Our judges will back us. Our lawyers are ready to fly wherever necessary to steal this election. You only think your vote counts this year. It doesn't. Not when our judges are done with this election. Just watch.

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10-20-2004, 11:52 AM	#2
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	....... I guess the Republicans dont have Lawyers ready to go huh ? you are aware it was Republicans to file suit to sue in 2000 arent you ? sorry to rain on your thread with truth ....Carry on

10-20-2004, 11:56 AM	#3
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	The difference is Republicans actually WON the election in 2000. Every media recount of Florida ballots supports that. All the Supreme Court did was call an end to all the ballot manipulation the Democrats were trying to create in order to steal it. The lawsuits were necessary to stop Democrats from INVENTING more votes. Sorry to have facts rain on your parade, moron. Carry on.

10-20-2004, 05:26 PM	#6
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	If Kerry wins legitimately, I have no quarrel with it. He'll tell his lawyers to stand down. But if he loses and yet still declares himself the winner and tries to run a six-week shell game like Gore did, there will be hell to pay.