Help me settle a dispute - The Orange Mane

dustybottoms · 10-13-2004, 09:58 PM

Here we are five weeks into FFL and it seems every week in our league, people are b****ing about the rules.

I am co-commish in the free samples league, and this really bothers me considering I helped set up the rules, taking a little bit from some other leagues I had been in the past, and adjust rules I didn't like from the past. Now we play for a big cash pot. So maybe this is the root of all the squabbles, no one wants to get screwed.

Here is the situation: Antonio Gates was traded from team A, to team B, for Donte Stallworth , mid week last week. After last weeks games were played, the teams in question reversed the trade. Gates going back to team A and Stallworth back to team B. Once questioned, team B admitted that he had Tony Gonzales, on a BYE week, so he pre-arranged the trade with team A, promising to trade the TE back to his original team after the week was over.

There are no rules against this type of trade, and the whole league now seems to be up in arms, was this a bad trade? was it cheating? should either team be penalized?

Pezman · 10-13-2004, 10:06 PM

In this type of situation, as co-commish, you need to make it clear to both parties that this is abuse of the situation for a one week trade and that it is at your discresion (sp) to accept any further trades from both parties.

One thing you need to be clear in your league constitution is that type of issue. If you ask me, both teams would need to put it to a league vote or better yet, petition the co-commishes for their advice beforehand. Not after. Doing so without permission abuses the league and I could see how it would upset other owners.

Personally, I would not regrant the trade again...

dustybottoms · 10-13-2004, 10:13 PM

Tough situation, in my opinion, there are TWO teams involved, it should be up to them whom and how they trade, my solution will be to propose a three week grace period where once a player is traded, he cannot return to the original team for three weeks. We do have a trade deadline, so trades between playoff and non-playoff teams would be a non issue.

thanks for your input pez.

Pezman · 10-13-2004, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dustybottoms

Tough situation, in my opinion, there are TWO teams involved, it should be up to them whom and how they trade, my solution will be to propose a three week grace period where once a player is traded, he cannot return to the original team for three weeks. We do have a trade deadline, so trades between playoff and non-playoff teams would be a non issue.

thanks for your input pez.

I think the grace period would be a great way to soothe the problem. But, the damage has already been done to both team's cred' for the year so I imagine that others will be wary of them from now on bro.

We had a problem in one league this year with a team who abused the add-drop grace period for players. He was picking up a player that he knew his rival was going to pick up and then would drop them right before the weekly blackout period so that the other owners could not grab them til the following week. That is why we had to implement a 3 free agent pickups per period rule in that league.

Lots of people trying to scam and cheat in any way they can bro....

Rascal · 10-14-2004, 06:49 AM

Let me guess...it was Sideburn. Dirty cheating bastard!!!

Hotrod · 10-14-2004, 07:21 AM

I dont know that is legal but sounds like something kerry would do. On a serious note I think there is nothing you can do to the teams in question but if sure lacks ethics IMO.

football idiot · 10-14-2004, 07:49 AM

no player rentals or temporary trading. it just makes for stupid fantasy football activity. say a guy with two good QB's who's missing an RB for the week 'rents out' a QB for an RB for one week. this goes against fair play and violates the fair competition that makes fantasy football fun.

how about a rule that there are NO give-backs. once you trade a player to someone, you can't have him on your roster the rest of the year. it prevents the trade-back silliness, and also prevents 3-way trades to get around these restrictions.

just my thoughts. player-rental doesn't make for a fair league. and it also leads to guys giving their 'friends' players in unfair trades when they're having a down-year.

yavoon · 10-17-2004, 08:22 AM

yes in general once a player is traded he cant be traded back to any of his prior teams for 5 weeks or something.

this is can be common gayity.

Sideburn · 10-17-2004, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by rascal

Let me guess...it was Sideburn. Dirty cheating bastard!!!

Har har har...no it wasn't me. I wonder who it was tho...unless I'm not in the league. Then I don't give a ****. The Evilhead Brigade's dominance has been legit. But I expect two losses this week. First one to MT in the Orangemane league, and the second to Philly in the Geek league. I've got alot of byes for my players this week. Had to sub in a bunch of second tier players to fill the roster. Unless Culpecker goes off again tonight, I see a loss for me.

Rascal · 10-17-2004, 08:56 PM

Does 52 points count for going off again?

Three games in which he has thrown for over 5 TD's. The guy is unreal.

Because of this the Culpepper followers staged a revolt in the kingdom run by Bastard Sons of Jabba the Hut. Culpepper's followers easily disposed of the ruling elite and set up a new government and named their country "Culpepper and Others".

Sideburn · 10-17-2004, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rascal

Does 52 points count for going off again?

Three games in which he has thrown for over 5 TD's. The guy is unreal.

Because of this the Culpepper followers staged a revolt in the kingdom run by Bastard Sons of Jabba the Hut. Culpepper's followers easily disposed of the ruling elite and set up a new government and named their country "Culpepper and Others".

Yep, Culpecker went off again. I'll take 52 points everyday of the week. He only brought Philly 42 in the other league because we only get 4 pts for a td pass. I beat philly by 1 103-102. Weeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Rascal · 10-17-2004, 09:10 PM

In our league Philly started A Toomer (HELLO BYE WEEK) and will end up losing this week as well.

For supposedly being this fantasy god he sure is getting his ass kicked this year on our league.

Wonder if everything is okay or not with him after his rib injury?

10-13-2004, 09:58 PM	#1
dustybottoms wealthy spanish landowner do you have anything besides mexican food? Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 1,193	Help me settle a dispute Here we are five weeks into FFL and it seems every week in our league, people are b****ing about the rules. I am co-commish in the free samples league, and this really bothers me considering I helped set up the rules, taking a little bit from some other leagues I had been in the past, and adjust rules I didn't like from the past. Now we play for a big cash pot. So maybe this is the root of all the squabbles, no one wants to get screwed. Here is the situation: Antonio Gates was traded from team A, to team B, for Donte Stallworth , mid week last week. After last weeks games were played, the teams in question reversed the trade. Gates going back to team A and Stallworth back to team B. Once questioned, team B admitted that he had Tony Gonzales, on a BYE week, so he pre-arranged the trade with team A, promising to trade the TE back to his original team after the week was over. There are no rules against this type of trade, and the whole league now seems to be up in arms, was this a bad trade? was it cheating? should either team be penalized?

10-13-2004, 10:06 PM	#2
Pezman Livin the dream Andy did you hear about this one? Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Smoggy SoCal Posts: 9,833 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	In this type of situation, as co-commish, you need to make it clear to both parties that this is abuse of the situation for a one week trade and that it is at your discresion (sp) to accept any further trades from both parties. One thing you need to be clear in your league constitution is that type of issue. If you ask me, both teams would need to put it to a league vote or better yet, petition the co-commishes for their advice beforehand. Not after. Doing so without permission abuses the league and I could see how it would upset other owners. Personally, I would not regrant the trade again... __________________ Sitting on a beach, earning 20%

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10-13-2004, 10:13 PM	#3
dustybottoms wealthy spanish landowner do you have anything besides mexican food? Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 1,193	Tough situation, in my opinion, there are TWO teams involved, it should be up to them whom and how they trade, my solution will be to propose a three week grace period where once a player is traded, he cannot return to the original team for three weeks. We do have a trade deadline, so trades between playoff and non-playoff teams would be a non issue. thanks for your input pez.

10-14-2004, 06:49 AM	#5
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,582 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	Let me guess...it was Sideburn. Dirty cheating bastard!!!

10-14-2004, 07:21 AM	#6
Hotrod Self Appointed Expert aka Dortoh Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 25,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Miss I	I dont know that is legal but sounds like something kerry would do. On a serious note I think there is nothing you can do to the teams in question but if sure lacks ethics IMO.

10-14-2004, 07:49 AM	#7
football idiot Perennial Pro-bowler thestupidgenius was too long for the new and improved OM Join Date: May 2001 Location: Columbus OH Posts: 917	no player rentals or temporary trading. it just makes for stupid fantasy football activity. say a guy with two good QB's who's missing an RB for the week 'rents out' a QB for an RB for one week. this goes against fair play and violates the fair competition that makes fantasy football fun. how about a rule that there are NO give-backs. once you trade a player to someone, you can't have him on your roster the rest of the year. it prevents the trade-back silliness, and also prevents 3-way trades to get around these restrictions. just my thoughts. player-rental doesn't make for a fair league. and it also leads to guys giving their 'friends' players in unfair trades when they're having a down-year.

10-17-2004, 08:22 AM	#8
yavoon Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,260	yes in general once a player is traded he cant be traded back to any of his prior teams for 5 weeks or something. this is can be common gayity.

10-17-2004, 08:56 PM	#10
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,582 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	Does 52 points count for going off again? Three games in which he has thrown for over 5 TD's. The guy is unreal. Because of this the Culpepper followers staged a revolt in the kingdom run by Bastard Sons of Jabba the Hut. Culpepper's followers easily disposed of the ruling elite and set up a new government and named their country "Culpepper and Others".

10-17-2004, 09:10 PM	#12
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,582 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	In our league Philly started A Toomer (HELLO BYE WEEK) and will end up losing this week as well. For supposedly being this fantasy god he sure is getting his ass kicked this year on our league. Wonder if everything is okay or not with him after his rib injury?