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Old 10-08-2004, 09:29 AM   #1
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Default September Job Growth Only 96,000

And of course, once again, this isn't even close to the number needed to keep pace with new Americans entering the job market every month.

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By LEIGH STROPE, AP Labor Writer

WASHINGTON - Companies added 96,000 jobs to their payrolls in September, fewer than economists forecast for the last employment report before Election Day. The figures underscored the modest hiring pace that has become an issue in President Bush (news - web sites)'s re-election bid.

The four hurricanes striking Florida and other coastal states the past two months appear "to have held down employment growth, but not enough to change materially" the overall jobs picture in September, the Labor Department (news - web sites) said Friday.

The nation's civilian unemployment rate remained at 5.4 percent.
Job growth was weighed down by losses in manufacturing, retail and information services. September's net increase of 96,000 payroll jobs was less than August's rise, which was revised down in Friday's report from 144,000 to 128,000.
"I wouldn't want to be in President Bush's shoes. He had better prepare himself for an onslaught," said private economist Ken Mayland of ClearView Economics, noting Friday night's second presidential debate. "The reality is that a 96,000 increase in a work force of a 131 million base is an anemic rise, and is in no way a satisfactory increase."

The economy should be creating 250,000 jobs or more per month by now, he said. Economists predicted that about 150,000 new jobs would be added in September.
On Wall Street, the lackluster report pushed stocks lower. The Dow Jones industrial average was down 19 points in late morning trading, and the Nasdaq dropped almost 13 points.
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so, what will Kerry do different to change this?
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so, what will Kerry do different to change this?
You been given the info often and automatically dismiss it but I'll play along and post it again. There are pages and pages just on the economy but I'd bet you like most Bush supporters won't take the time to read them.

By the way, what is Bush's plan for the economy?

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Create Good-Paying Jobs
As president, John Kerry will cut taxes for businesses that create jobs here in America instead of moving them overseas. John Kerry and John Edwards will also stand up for workers by enforcing our trade agreements.

Cut Middle-Class Taxes To Raise Middle-Class Incomes
When John Kerry is president, middle-class taxes will go down. Ninety-eight percent of all Americans and 99 percent of American businesses will get a tax cut under the Kerry-Edwards plan.

Make Washington Live Within A Budget
John Kerry will cut the deficit in half during his first four years in office. He will end corporate welfare as we know it, roll back the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, and impose a real cap to keep spending in check. And when John Kerry puts forward a new idea, he'll tell you how he's going to pay for it.

Invest In The Jobs Of Tomorrow
Today, businesses are harnessing new technology to manufacture energy-efficient cars, high-grade steel, advanced plastics and other new products. And this requires a bigger, skilled labor force to make them. John Kerry and John Edwards believe we should invest in these jobs and invest in the people who will fill them.
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you post what Kerry says and the Republican sees Flip Floppin
it is a built in self defense reflex ........ That and blamming Clinton
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You been given the info often and automatically dismiss it but I'll play along and post it again. There are pages and pages just on the economy but I'd bet you like most Bush supporters won't take the time to read them.

By the way, what is Bush's plan for the economy?

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Create Good-Paying Jobs
As president, John Kerry will cut taxes for businesses that create jobs here in America instead of moving them overseas. John Kerry and John Edwards will also stand up for workers by enforcing our trade agreements.

Cut Middle-Class Taxes To Raise Middle-Class Incomes
When John Kerry is president, middle-class taxes will go down. Ninety-eight percent of all Americans and 99 percent of American businesses will get a tax cut under the Kerry-Edwards plan.

Make Washington Live Within A Budget
John Kerry will cut the deficit in half during his first four years in office. He will end corporate welfare as we know it, roll back the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, and impose a real cap to keep spending in check. And when John Kerry puts forward a new idea, he'll tell you how he's going to pay for it.

Invest In The Jobs Of Tomorrow
Today, businesses are harnessing new technology to manufacture energy-efficient cars, high-grade steel, advanced plastics and other new products. And this requires a bigger, skilled labor force to make them. John Kerry and John Edwards believe we should invest in these jobs and invest in the people who will fill them.
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/economy/
Create Good-Paying Jobs
As president, John Kerry will cut taxes for businesses that create jobs here in America instead of moving them overseas. John Kerry and John Edwards will also stand up for workers by enforcing our trade agreements.


ok, let's see this work......out sourcing has been going on for a long, long time....and the world is a global world, our borders aren't closed

Cut Middle-Class Taxes To Raise Middle-Class Incomes
When John Kerry is president, middle-class taxes will go down. Ninety-eight percent of all Americans and 99 percent of American businesses will get a tax cut under the Kerry-Edwards plan.


a lot of small business pay taxes on their personal income taxes and they make more than 100K, so you'll be taxing small business more. Middle class already gets a tax cut with Bush...nothing new there.

Invest In The Jobs Of Tomorrow
Today, businesses are harnessing new technology to manufacture energy-efficient cars, high-grade steel, advanced plastics and other new products. And this requires a bigger, skilled labor force to make them. John Kerry and John Edwards believe we should invest in these jobs and invest in the people who will fill them.
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/economy/[/QUOTE]


same as bushs' plans as well

Make Washington Live Within A Budget
John Kerry will cut the deficit in half during his first four years in office. He will end corporate welfare as we know it, roll back the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, and impose a real cap to keep spending in check. And when John Kerry puts forward a new idea, he'll tell you how he's going to pay for it.


cut deficit by raising EVERYONES taxes...your right...and cut back on military just like normal dems do.
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Old 10-08-2004, 09:56 AM   #6
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ok, let's see this work......out sourcing has been going on for a long, long time....and the world is a global world, our borders aren't closed




a lot of small business pay taxes on their personal income taxes and they make more than 100K, so you'll be taxing small business more. Middle class already gets a tax cut with Bush...nothing new there.

same as bushs' plans as well



cut deficit by raising EVERYONES taxes...your right...and cut back on military just like normal dems do.
Like I said you wouldn't actually read the information available but still comment on it and inaccurately.
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Like the Bronco's have homer fans it seems that presidents have homer fans too
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Like I said you wouldn't actually read the information available but still comment on it and inaccurately.
I read it and commented on it

Kerry will raise tax all the way around and thinks government can solve all our problems...I know his scphell

besides that, he is doing a very good job of telling people exactly what they want to hear.
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I read it and commented on it

Kerry will raise tax all the way around and thinks government can solve all our problems...I know his scphell

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You read it?? Why did you make this statemernt then
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You read it?? Why did you make this statemernt then
because just b/c he said it doesn't mean I believe him

with all he is proposing you honestly think he can only do that by "taxing the rich"

c'mon, seriously....look at his record as well, he is a guy who is known to raise taxes, why is that hard to understand, just b/c he says he won't means he won't?

I have some swampland to sell you as well too
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Exactly what I thought. You condemn his plan without even reading it and considering it. I think it's called being Bushbrain. Because Bush says something it's automatically right and when Kerry says something it's automatically wrong.

Back to my first question, can you tell me if Bush has an economic plan?
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Exactly what I thought. You condemn his plan without even reading it and considering it. I think it's called being Bushbrain. Because Bush says something it's automatically right and when Kerry says something it's automatically wrong.

Back to my first question, can you tell me if Bush has an economic plan?
huh? I did read it, but I don't believe it, just like you don't believe Bush's plan
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huh? I did read it, but I don't believe it, just like you don't believe Bush's plan
What is his plan or is it over now?
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What is his plan or is it over now?
www.georgewbush.com

In his second term, President Bush will focus on building a more prosperous, competitive economy that will continue to be a strong engine for jobs and prosperity for years to come. The essential elements of his plan include: taking the next bold steps in reforming education; building a skilled and effective workforce; encouraging a pro-growth, fair, and simpler tax system; promoting research and development in both the public and private sectors; opening markets for American goods around the globe; meeting our energy needs and lessening our energy dependence; reducing the regulatory burden; and reforming Government to be smaller and more efficient, responsive, and effective. President Bush is committed to making sure America has the best prepared, best educated, and highest skilled workforce in the world.

Jobs for the 21st Century Initiative: President Bush will provide $500 million for Jobs for the 21st Century, which will help educate and train high-skilled American workers in schools and community colleges.

Tax Reform: President Bush will work to make the tax code simpler for taxpayers, encourage saving and investment, and improve the economy’s ability to create jobs and raise wages.

Promote Comp-Time and Flex-Time: President Bush will work to enable employees to choose paid time off as an alternative to overtime pay and to give employees the option of shifting work hours during a pay period.

Homeownership: President Bush will provide assistance to help America to meet his new goal of creating 7 million new, affordable homes in 10 years.

Help Small Businesses: President Bush will help small businesses in a number of ways, including by allowing them to band together to provide more affordable health care for their employees through Association Health Plans

there are others, you know his plan, this is pointless
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www.georgewbush.com

In his second term, President Bush will focus on building a more prosperous, competitive economy that will continue to be a strong engine for jobs and prosperity for years to come. The essential elements of his plan include: taking the next bold steps in reforming education; building a skilled and effective workforce; encouraging a pro-growth, fair, and simpler tax system; promoting research and development in both the public and private sectors; opening markets for American goods around the globe; meeting our energy needs and lessening our energy dependence; reducing the regulatory burden; and reforming Government to be smaller and more efficient, responsive, and effective. President Bush is committed to making sure America has the best prepared, best educated, and highest skilled workforce in the world.

Jobs for the 21st Century Initiative: President Bush will provide $500 million for Jobs for the 21st Century, which will help educate and train high-skilled American workers in schools and community colleges.

Tax Reform: President Bush will work to make the tax code simpler for taxpayers, encourage saving and investment, and improve the economy’s ability to create jobs and raise wages.

Promote Comp-Time and Flex-Time: President Bush will work to enable employees to choose paid time off as an alternative to overtime pay and to give employees the option of shifting work hours during a pay period.

Homeownership: President Bush will provide assistance to help America to meet his new goal of creating 7 million new, affordable homes in 10 years.

Help Small Businesses: President Bush will help small businesses in a number of ways, including by allowing them to band together to provide more affordable health care for their employees through Association Health Plans

there are others, you know his plan, this is pointless
I do know what he said he will do but he doesn't define where he's going to get the funds to try and accomplish all these things unlike Kerry who does.
Under Bush's watch, the country has never before seen the records at which Bush is spending money not recovering the lost revenues from his tax breaks for income over $200,000. How can you or anyone else support this kind of government waste and spending? His economic plan is not generating growth for a strong America.
The majority of jobs that have been added are low-paying, benefitless jobs.
How can you support this economic direction?
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he is proposing to cut spending...he upped spending to pay for war and concievably we won't have to spend as much in the coming years

you can check www.georgewbush.com for that

again, pointless, i'm not changing your mind and vice-versa
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Make Washington Live Within A Budget and impose a real cap to keep spending in check.
This will happen when

Congress has never had the cajones to rein in spending and never will. Kerry should know that, as a member of the Senate for so many years. This is more empty promises that will fall by the wayside very quickly.
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Bush is undoubtedly going to point to these dubious employment stats in tonight's debate as evidence of the "progress" he is making.

Kerry needs to keep the focus on the entire four years of the bush record on jobs and the economy.

Bottom line: Bush has presided over the first net job loss since the great depression.
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Bush is undoubtedly going to point to these dubious employment stats in tonight's debate as evidence of the "progress" he is making.

Kerry needs to keep the focus on the entire four years of the bush record on jobs and the economy.

Bottom line: Bush has presided over the first net job loss since the great depression.

Exactly.

1,000,000 less jobs today than there were when Bush took office, as just reported on CNN.
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1,000,000 less jobs today than there were when Bush took office, as just reported on CNN.
And Kerry needs to keep hammering him on this fact.
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"Companies added 96,000 jobs to their payrolls in September"

So 96 thousand people who did not previously have a job are now gainfully employed?

How is this a bad thing?

Because it wasnt enough?

Tell that to 96 thousand people who just got jobs.
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"Companies added 96,000 jobs to their payrolls in September"

So 96 thousand people who did not previously have a job are now gainfully employed?

How is this a bad thing?

Because it wasnt enough?

Tell that to 96 thousand people who just got jobs.
So you're saying we should just be grateful that there are any new jobs at all? Talk about setting the bar low.
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"Companies added 96,000 jobs to their payrolls in September"

So 96 thousand people who did not previously have a job are now gainfully employed?

How is this a bad thing?

Because it wasnt enough?

Tell that to 96 thousand people who just got jobs.
Considering there are approximately 250,000 Americans entering the job market every month this is NOT good news.
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This will happen when

Congress has never had the cajones to rein in spending and never will. Kerry should know that, as a member of the Senate for so many years. This is more empty promises that will fall by the wayside very quickly.
This post takes the cake as the most factually and historically incorrect statement I've ever seen here .

Clinton's budgets imposed across-the-board caps on federal spending. In so doing, he regularly pissed off members of his own party in the congress. Ultimately, his plan to restore fiscal discipline worked, and our economy was better off for it.

Meanwhile, bush the borrow and spend president has ushered in more government spending than any Democratic president in US history.
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OK.......somebody anybody. especially you all "link freaks' give us clintons exact economic numbers for the same time B4 his re election.
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