House Defeats Gay Marriage Ban Amendment

[Bronco_Beerslug]

But Bush had to try anyway to say 'see, I tried'.

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By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent

WASHINGTON - The House emphatically rejected a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage Thursday, the latest in a string of conservative pet causes advanced by Republican leaders in the run-up to Election Day.

The vote was 227-186, 49 votes shy of the two-thirds needed for approval of an amendment that President Bush (news - web sites) backed but the Senate had previously scuttled.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...s_gay_marriage

[watermock]

This is so amusing.

Emphatically rejecting something wouldn't be a vote of 227-186.

That would be short of 2/3 majority. The institution of marriage is a joke now anyway, look at Brittany Whore.

I was listening to the radio and a wife of 1.5 years was offered a job in the Bahamas and promptly divorced her husband.

Do you honestly think most people care if homosexuals marry? It's all a waste of time. I'm more concerned about more terrorism from goat lovers.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by watermock

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Do you honestly think most people care if homosexuals marry? It's all a waste of time. I'm more concerned about more terrorism from goat lovers.

I guarantee you Bush's core support group definitely cares. So do most church goers.

[watermock]

Yes, they probably do. I didn't speak for them.

What I DID say is that Congress didn't overwhelmingly vote against it, as you asserted. In fact, the Congress voted for it, but by enough. Sit down.

Here is what is amazing to me.

So do most church goers.

Geewillikers! Most ChurchGoers (according to you) oppose Gay marriage.

How amusing. Did you expect most church goers to approve? Jesus Christ, we have found another certifed Dimwit.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

I guarantee you Bush's core support group definitely cares. So do most church goers.

"BINGO"

And they are all surely registered to vote

[watermock]

Now it's not the Gays, it's the Church goers that are to blame!

[watermock]

Originally Posted by baja fan

"BINGO"

And they are all surely registered to vote

OMG. People that go to Curch are Registerd to VOTE!

OMG.

WTF has happened to this country? Religious people now should be disenfranchised?

Your people have dropped of the edge of humility and even secular logic.

[watermock]

Baja, your not even in the country.

Now your telling me that "Most Religious People will Vote" as some sort of travesty.

Fu ck you man. Most religious people have very good intentions. Sometimes, if properly taught, they even see their own limitations.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

But Bush had to try anyway to say 'see, I tried'.

Not really since they wouldn't simply throw a bill out there just to say they tried, since they knew it wouldn't get the 2/3s needed. This is more to get Dems on record on a polarizing issue. The article points out the majority of citizens do not favor gay marriage, while the division on the need for an amendment is split.

This is the same thing as two years ago when the House and Senate voted on the Force Resolution before the 2002 elections.

You might want to look at turnout rates in states that have had votes to put "No Gay Marriage" amendments on the ballots for November, they've been huge. The millions of Evangelicals that stayed home in 2000 came out in droves to put the measures on the ballot, and there's no reason to think they'll stay home in November. Anyone want to guess who the majority of those voters will vote for Prez?

This was a pure political move to get Dems on the record. If you'd actually copied the entire article instead of cutting and pasting your e-mail, even the Dems concede that.

[Nick C.]

Damn Watermock is a real loon huh?

[Hogan11]

This sideshow is now hopefully over....time to return to issues that actually matter.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

This was a pure political move to get Dems on the record. If you'd actually copied the entire article instead of cutting and pasting your e-mail, even the Dems concede that.

Cutting and pasting my e-mail
No reason to copy the entire article. Posting a link to the article keeps the posts shorter. And it was also a move by Bush to appease his religious core supporters.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

And it was also a move by Bush to appease his religious core supporters.

No it wasn't. Bush's support from Rs has always been solid in this election cycle. This vote does nothing to that. Like I've already said, this puts Ds on the record on an issue that the majority of people agree with, that marriage is between one man and one woman.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

No it wasn't. Bush's support from Rs has always been solid in this election cycle. This vote does nothing to that. Like I've already said, this puts Ds on the record on an issue that the majority of people agree with, that marriage is between one man and one woman.

Of course it was........................

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Bush has been under pressure from social conservatives within his political base to come out in favor of such an amendment, several versions of which are floating around Capitol Hill.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...bush.marriage/

Bush ran as a “compassionate conservative” in 2000, and is trying anew to bridge the divide between his conservative base and critical swing voters. Some advisers fear any hint of intolerance would alienate middle-of-the-road Americans.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4360783/

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Of course it was........................

Wow 2 articles from the end of Febuary. That really says a lot considering he wasn't even running at that point. Had Kerry even locked up his nomination? Bush is base is secure. Look at the polling, he polls higher among Rs then Kerry does among Ds, and 90% of that support are people that believe in him and his stances, rather then Kerry at around 50/50 support coming from real support for him and the other half coming in the form of an anti-Bush people.

For one of the better more politically astute lefty posters here, the fact that you think this was a move to secure his base rather then seeing it for it is, a Republican move to put Dems on the record in an election year, is a real let down.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I see it as what it is (was) when he pushed it. Both as a move to put Dems on the record and assure his conservative religious supporters.

[RunByDesign]

Originally Posted by watermock

they even see their own limitations.

In my experience, they seem to be mentally imprisoned by them.

To realize and not seek to free oneself from ones limitations, (thought control, religion...) is an excercise of relenting menial humanistic accountability.

Run with that.

Reinforce and accomodate your perceptions for the next half hour or so.

[Crushaholic]

Bush can appeal to his conservative base with the gay marriage, only to have his Republican friends in the House bail him out. I never saw this issue really going forward with much momentum.