Obsess much? Star Wars related

[Goobzilla]

So the "original" Star Wars Trilogy was officially released today, much to the delight of many people including myself. It was bad enough that people were ready to go to war over the fact the 90's "enhanced" were the ones released over the initial theatrical releases (George Lucas raped my childhood is a familiar battle cry).

So anyways a self proclaimed SW expert found the following "errors" and wanted to make sure everyone was aware of them before throwing your money away. I really think this guy needs a woman...NOW! I thought some of us were obsessed with the Broncos, but sheesh.
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Here is my list of sound changes. This is all in reference to changes made to the original film, except in a few instances I've pointed out differences also from the 1993 re-mix. Some of these new sounds obviously were heard in the 1997 re-mix, some are new to this mix. I've also included a few picture changes, but I feel they have been covered everywhere, while the sound mix has been virtually ignored. I have not noted any changes to specific SE shots (such as the destruction of Alderaan) since these shots are entirely new.


The 1954 recording of the Fox logo is still played though it sounds very distorted.

The new Lucasfilm logo is shown.

The “Star Wars” title card starts moving much too fast in relation to the original and can be seen “shifting gears” as it gets smaller and slows down.

New explosions can be heard over the opening shot.

The foley in this mix is very loud and in your face. Not subtle in anyway. Note Threepios footsteps. They've always been there, just never this loud.

The sound of the ship docking has some revised sound.

The shirts of the rebel troopers change colors. They were always gray before. In some shots now they are blue.

Vaders voice has been re-processed throughout the entire film to get him to match the sequels.

When Artoo opens the door to the escape pod, the button he pushes buzzes.

The laser blast that convinces Threepio to get in the escape pod was re-done in 1993. It is the same sound effect as a lamp blowing up in Raiders of the Lost Ark. This effect is also heard later in the movie.

When Vader is talking to the “Second Commander” (“Lord Vader, the battle station plans are not aboard this ship!”) the room in the background makes beeping noises. For fun, I’ll point out that this actor has the same voice as General Dodonna at the end of the movie. I suspect that the “Second Commander” is dubbed.

When Artoo is shot by the Jawas and falls over a tremendous bass impact has been mixed in.

The restraining bolt being installed makes a different sound.

Artoos arrival inside the sand crawler makes a new sound.

You now hear the sand crawler start up as it starts to move.

Later, you hear the sand crawler come to a stop. Threepio then says, “We’ve stopped” before telling Artoo to wake up.

The sound of Threepio rising from the oil bath has been augmented.

The lunch scene with Beru and Owen has some new foley (Beru’s chair makes a sound now). This is a quiet scene and you can literally hear the faders being brought down after every line of dialogue. Dailogue does not sound integrated in this scene.

Beru’s pronunciation of “father” has been re--done......again.

Luke’s land speeder can be seen in the long shot from the sand peoples point of view. Previously it was just a white speck moving.

The clanking of the sand persons gaffi stick is heard in this mix.

The Krayt Dragon sound that Ben uses to scare the sand people has been re-done. It almost sounds like a police siren at first. Definitely sounds artifical as opposed to the older, more organic sound.

The light sabers have not been re-processed to match the sound heard in the prequels.

In this mix it’s very clear that the bartender has been dubbed. It was not as obvious before.

When Luke is thrown into the table, it makes an all new sound effect.

When the stormtroopers walk into the bar they can be heard saying, “Undertand you had some trouble in here”. This is heard under Hans, “Looks like somebody’s beginning to take an interest in your handiwork.” line.

Alien sound effect is missing just before Threepios line, “I would much rather have gone with Master Luke than stay here with you.”

The music edit just after the Jabba scene is pretty bad. The music just starts. Also Bens line “If the ships as fast as he’s boasting we ought to do well” is different than the original mix. It sounds edited together here.

A quick dissolve is missing between the shot of the spy and the interior entrance of Docking Bay 94. It is a hard cut now.

The spy makes some more sounds before informing the stormtroopers of where Luke and Ben are.

There are new explosion sound effects in the shoot out in Docking Bay 94.

“You would prefer another target? A military target?” both sound crystal clear. “Then name the system!” is clearly from the old mix. Right in the middle of the line there is a quality shift. This happens through out the entire movie, but this may be the most obvious. It almost feels like a game, wondering if the next line is going to be the new clear dialogue or the older sounding dialogue. Obviously, there is a lack of consistency here and it’s jarring throughout the film. This is problably the worst feature of this new mix.

When the Falcon arrives at Alderaan there is some very deep bass. However, when the Falcon is captured by the Death Stars tractor beam, deep bass is missing that was heard in the 1993 mix. However there is a lot of sound of the cockpit shaking.

Also in the 1993 mix, the sound of the TIE fighter shooting at the Falcon could be heard. That’s not here nor was it in the original mix.

The PA systems line, “Close all outboard shields” sounds different.

Just before Han and company come out of the secret compartments, the two inspecting stormtroopers stop at the exit ramp and one of them says, “There’s no one here.”.

When Luke exits out of the Falcon and taps his stormtrooper helmet, static can be heard.

The dialogue keeps changing during the command office scene, between the clear dialogue and the older sounding dialogue.

The computer in the detention block scene makes new noises.

When Han, Luke and Chewie are shooting the cameras in the cell block area, the explosions are all re-done. There is also some new blaster fire added. When Han shoots the console, his blaster is much louder now then it was before.

The explosion as the stormtroopers blast into the cell block is much louder and has more bass.

When Leia shoots the hatch to get into the garbage chute, the explosion is different.

Chewie pounding on the door of the trash compactor makes new sounds.

The famous blooper of the stormtrooper walking into the door has now been punctuated with a loud “clunk” sound effect. What was once a tough to see mistake is now pointed ot for everyone to see.

When Ben is turning off the tractor beam (I guess this is what he’s doing since the display is no longer in English) some sound effects that were heard at Bespin in The Empire Strikes Back and in ALIEN are mixed in here.

The creature sound effects after they get out of the trash compactor are different.

When Leia fires her blaster during the chasm crossfire, it no longer sounds like Dirty Harry’s .44 magnum. This chasm also has the ALIEN/Bespin sound effect.

When Luke throws the grappling hook, it makes a “whizzing through the air” sound effect.

When they are shouting for Luke to come on board the Falcon (after Ben’s death) Leia now says, “Luke, come on!”. Previously, it was just “Come on!”.

Music reverb heard during the fight with the TIE Fighters is gone.

During the TIE Fighter fight, there is a long shot of the Falcon and you can see red blaster fire coming from it. There is now sound there to match.

During the first dive towards the attack on the Death Star, key music has been dialled out for a few moments.

“He’s on your tail” line from the SE mix is not heard here.

New sounds can be heard in Red Leaders cockpit as his ship is failing.

When Red Leaders engine is hit by blaster fire, it now makes the same sound as a lamp blowing up in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

As Han, Luke, and Leia walk off after the battle, new crowd cheering effects can be heard.

[Pezman]

Ok... I admit, I went to Frys Electronics this morning and picked it up right at 7:30... but the bonus was it was only ---------->$34.99<--------------

Sweeeeet... too bad it is a one day deal only...

[Rock Chalk]

I am getting it at lunch time.

[bronco militia]

Originally Posted by Pezman

Ok... I admit, I went to Frys Electronics this morning and picked it up right at 7:30... but the bonus was it was only ---------->$34.99<--------------

Sweeeeet... too bad it is a one day deal only...

too late, you really are pathetic

bwahahahahahah!!

anyway, these still are the greatest movies ever made. I still buy the toys...for my kids...(yeah right, says the Wife)

but, you're right, this guy including yourself, need to get laid!!

[Crushaholic]

I picked it up just after midnight this morning. I'll be looking for those changes. Supposedly, Boba Fett has a different voice, but that wasn't included on that list.

I'm a Star Wars geek and I don't care who knows it...

[Pezman]

Originally Posted by bronco militia

too late, you really are pathetic

bwahahahahahah!!

anyway, these still are the greatest movies ever made. I still buy the toys...for my kids...(yeah right, says the Wife)

but, you're right, this guy including yourself, need to get laid!!

Thems fightin' words and if I wasnt such a geek I'd so hire someone to kick your ass
rofl

Seriously, you should have seen the pathetic wretches here in L.A. who actually lined up overnight to get it at 7 am... It was unbelieveable.There must have been at least 200 of them in full on Jedi gear... How these people breed is beyond me. By the time I got to Frys they were already dispersing like cockroaches thank god... I still have nerd stink on me however...

[bronco militia]

Originally Posted by Pezman

Thems fightin' words and if I wasnt such a geek I'd so hire someone to kick your ass
rofl

Seriously, you should have seen the pathetic wretches here in L.A. who actually lined up overnight to get it at 7 am... It was unbelieveable.There must have been at least 200 of them in full on Jedi gear... How these people breed is beyond me. By the time I got to Frys they were already dispersing like cockroaches thank god... I still have nerd stink on me however...

bwahahahaha...nerd stink!

I believe it...I went to the Star Wars convention in Denver, a few months before Episode 1 came out. I had no idea that there could be so much 'lame' in one place for three straight days. rofl

[PatsWin2002]

I've never seen them.

Well, I saw the original in 1977 when I was 10 and hated it. I haven't seen it or any of the others since.

Since we're on the subject........I've never seen an episode Star Trek either.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Originally Posted by PatsWin2002

I've never seen them.

Well, I saw the original in 1977 when I was 10 and hated it. I haven't seen it or any of the others since.

Since we're on the subject........I've never seen an episode Star Trek either.

what are you, a communist?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Originally Posted by Pezman

Seriously, you should have seen the pathetic wretches here in L.A. who actually lined up overnight to get it at 7 am... It was unbelieveable.There must have been at least 200 of them in full on Jedi gear... How these people breed is beyond me. By the time I got to Frys they were already dispersing like cockroaches thank god... I still have nerd stink on me however...

Made the mistake of seeing the re-release of the original Star Wars on opening night a few years ago. Long overnight line for the Star Wars geeks to get tickets, me and my friends had just come to the mall to get lunch. When we came back through, everyone was gone. We just happened to see if there were still tickets left, and bought some of the few remaining. Bad bad decision. We were about the only ones who weren't dressed up for the show and there were running "lightsaber" battles in the aisles before the show started. Also enjoyed a movie when half the crowd was reciting the dialogue during the show. Never see a Sci-Fi movie on opening night.

[Nick C.]

damn this guy found it all out in less then a day?

I wish I was not dead broke I will cry if I don't get my hands on this set!

BTW is one Silver and one gold set just Full screen and other wide screen?

[PatsWin2002]

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

what are you, a communist?

No, but I think I have a new reason....

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

We were about the only ones who weren't dressed up for the show and there were running "lightsaber" battles in the aisles before the show started. Also enjoyed a movie when half the crowd was reciting the dialogue during the show. Never see a Sci-Fi movie on opening night.

[bronco militia]

Originally Posted by Nick C.

damn this guy found it all out in less then a day?

I wish I was not dead broke I will cry if I don't get my hands on this set!

BTW is one Silver and one gold set just Full screen and other wide screen?

yep...

silver=wide screen
gold=full screen

[Pezman]

Originally Posted by bronco militia

yep...

silver=wide screen
gold=full screen

Which btw, I think they screwed up... They should have given the gold to the widescreen version... it looks better.

Over on the Digitalbits.com they are already talking about big sound problems with the dvd's btw...

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwoc....html#ep4audio

In all the hype over the DVD release of Star Wars, I'm afraid to say there's a bit of bad news about the discs (or at least one of them) from a quality standpoint. We've discovered what we believe are serious audio defects on Episode IV - A New Hope. We've updated our DVD review of the set accordingly with the details as follows:
[Editor's Note: since we initially wrote this review, a few audio/mixing errors on the DVD version of A New Hope have been detected. They are as follows:

1) The familiar Force theme trumpet fanfare that used to play right after Red Leader says: "This is it!" and just as the X-wings start diving towards the Death Star's surface has been dialed back in volume so that it's almost inaudible - it's almost completely buried in the surround mix.

2) The audio quality varies wildly as Tarkin says the line: "You would prefer another target, a military target? Then name the system." - almost as if the master sound element was damaged.

3) Also, John Williams' score for the film seems to have been flipped in the rear channels, so that what should be the left rear channel seems to be playing from the right rear channel (and vise versa). What this means is that the rear channels don't match the front channels - instruments heard from the front right channel come from the left rear instead of the right rear. It's hard to notice, but we're getting a number of reports from people hearing this.

These problems would seem to be severe enough to merit a repressing/exchange of the disc. We're waiting to hear back from Lucasfilm on this issue and we'll update this review with the details as soon as we do.]

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#audup

"Well... Lucasfilm has responded to our questions about the audio issue on the DVD of Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope with a blanket statement of denial. Here's the exact text:

"We are always impressed with how closely fans listen to the many different sound mixes we have made for the Star Wars movies over the years. It is flattering to know that, indeed, the audience is listening. Consequently, each mix comes out differently and any changes that you hear on the all-new Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround EX tracks on the Star Wars Trilogy DVD set are deliberate creative decisions. We can confirm that there are no technical glitches as reported."

Now here's my response. I don't buy it. The audio quality of that Tarkin line can't be anything other than a technical issue, probably a problem with the original audio element of the dialogue, and Lucasfilm doesn't want to cop to that on the eve of the big release. When you guys hear it tomorrow, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. Tarkin's "Then name the system!" line sounds terrible. As far as dialing down the trumpet fanfare during the Death Star attack (in fact, much of Williams' music during the first part of the attack has been reduced in volume in the mix)... I can see that could be a creative decision. It's a decision I absolutely HATE, but okay, maybe that's a creative decision. You guys will have to see what you think when you get the discs.

As far as the reversed music in the surrounds issue - it's going to be very hard for the average listener to detect. We've heard from a number of sources, however, who claim to hear it. In fact, that's how we originally became aware of the problem ourselves. Still, in light of Lucasfilm's denial, we'd like more of you die hard audiophiles to give this disc a listen yourselves and see if you hear it too.

We'll keep looking into this, so stay tuned..."

[Nick C.]

Originally Posted by Pezman

Which btw, I think they screwed up... They should have given the gold to the widescreen version... it looks better.

Over on the Digitalbits.com they are already talking about big sound problems with the dvd's btw...

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwoc....html#ep4audio





http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#audup

"Well... Lucasfilm has responded to our questions about the audio issue on the DVD of Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope with a blanket statement of denial. Here's the exact text:

"We are always impressed with how closely fans listen to the many different sound mixes we have made for the Star Wars movies over the years. It is flattering to know that, indeed, the audience is listening. Consequently, each mix comes out differently and any changes that you hear on the all-new Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround EX tracks on the Star Wars Trilogy DVD set are deliberate creative decisions. We can confirm that there are no technical glitches as reported."

Now here's my response. I don't buy it. The audio quality of that Tarkin line can't be anything other than a technical issue, probably a problem with the original audio element of the dialogue, and Lucasfilm doesn't want to cop to that on the eve of the big release. When you guys hear it tomorrow, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. Tarkin's "Then name the system!" line sounds terrible. As far as dialing down the trumpet fanfare during the Death Star attack (in fact, much of Williams' music during the first part of the attack has been reduced in volume in the mix)... I can see that could be a creative decision. It's a decision I absolutely HATE, but okay, maybe that's a creative decision. You guys will have to see what you think when you get the discs.

As far as the reversed music in the surrounds issue - it's going to be very hard for the average listener to detect. We've heard from a number of sources, however, who claim to hear it. In fact, that's how we originally became aware of the problem ourselves. Still, in light of Lucasfilm's denial, we'd like more of you die hard audiophiles to give this disc a listen yourselves and see if you hear it too.

We'll keep looking into this, so stay tuned..."

I actully like the Silver box look better so glad it is Widescreen.
And damn that really sucks that there are some sound errors I am an Audiophile and hate when DVD's don't sound right, that is the main reason I hold off for Special Editions so they are Digitaly remasterd. maybe I will just wait for the Superbit Star wars DVD;s(probably be 5 years )

[DB-Freak]

Originally Posted by PatsWin2002

I've never seen them.

Well, I saw the original in 1977 when I was 10 and hated it. I haven't seen it or any of the others since.

Since we're on the subject........I've never seen an episode Star Trek either.

Same here saw the first movie and didnt like it. My dad tried to get me into Trek but after 4mins of it I turned off the TV. I brutally dislike both of em. Dont hate em tho.

[Kid A]

I'm no fantatic, but they are classics. I was obsessed as a kid, but the new ones suck. A lot of the fanboys are up in arms over the changes on the dvd. While I think that he may have gone overboard with by adding new special effects, it is Lucas' baby and he can do what he wants. I would encourage those who saw the first one years ago and didn't like it to give them another look. They are very entertaining and their influence on movies can still be seen today.

[Jori]

Only saw the third film originally in the theaters (hey I was three). Bought the set at Costco this afternoon for $43.49

[Saulbadguy]

Bought mine today, along with Star Wars: Battlefront for PC.

[Nick C.]

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Bought mine today, along with Star Wars: Battlefront for PC.

how you likeing Battlefront? I want to get it for Gamecube or PS2

[boltman]

Did I stumble into some trekkie geek room? where all the bolt fans at on sunday ?

[Crushaholic]

Originally Posted by boltman

Did I stumble into some trekkie geek room? where all the bolt fans at on sunday ?

Hiding under the couch in morbid fear of the mighty Denver Broncos.