Bush asks UN for Help In Iraq.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Not going to get it from any other countries other than token gestures, definitely not going to get any countries to commit troops there.

The only possible way to have any type of control in that country would be to add over 100,000 more troops. That means the draft.

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By Steve Holland

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites) defended the Iraq (news - web sites) war before skeptical world leaders on Tuesday, called on them to help post-Saddam Iraq develop into a democracy and vowed not to retreat against an insurgency that threatens more violence in the country.

Bush appeared at the United Nations (news - web sites) at a time of rising casualties in Iraq and when some lawmakers in his own Republican Party are questioning his Iraq policy.

Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), in a speech in New York on Monday, accused Bush of "colossal failures of judgment" that have turned Iraq into a haven for terrorists and made America more vulnerable.

Bush got no more than polite applause at the end of his speech
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...m/un_bush_dc_4

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Second American hostage murder claimed as Bush appeals for help in Iraq
BAGHDAD (AFP) - A group linked to suspected Al-Qaeda operative Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi claimed to have beheaded a second US hostage in Iraq (news - web sites), as US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) defended the war in Iraq and asked for more foreign help in the country.

The valiant men of the nation have cut the throat of the second American hostage following the expiration of the fixed deadline," said a statement, published on an Islamist website at http://www.ansarnet.ws/vb/showthread.php?t=15302.

Earlier Tuesday, Bigley's family made a poignant plea for British Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites) to meet the militants' demands to free the surviving captives, piling the pressure on the coalition to compromise.

His son, Craig, told BBC television: "I ask Tony Blair personally to consider the amount of bloodshed already suffered.

"Please meet the demands and release my father -- two women for two men ... Only you can save him now. You have children and you will understand how I feel at this time."

Two biologists, nicknamed Dr Anthrax and Dr Germ, who are suspected of having contributed to an illegal weapons programme under Saddam Hussein (news - web sites), are the only women known to be still detained by the US-led forces in Iraq.

Based on the video obtained by Al-Jazeera television Monday night, US Central Intelligence Agency (news - web sites) experts concluded Tuesday that Zarqawi himself decapitated Armstrong.

Hensley would be among at least 28 foreign hostages murdered here since April and the third American. Jewish businessman Nicholas Berg was the first, killed in May by Zarqawi's faction.

The video of Armstrong's killing fit the pattern of hostage taking and murder, where abduction is now used as a political tool to intimidate those participating in US efforts to rebuild Iraq.

Against the shocking backdrop of kidnappings and killings, Bush insisted Tuesday that the war in Iraq was justified and demanded more UN action to help end the deadly chaos.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...0921192529&e=1

[Rascal]

The valiant men...screw that ****.

Just nuke the entire damn country.

No the entire region. We can drill through glass right?

[Rigs11]

Wait a minute. Since Dumbya is asking the UN for help now doesn't that make him a.... gasp....flip-floper? Seriously though the UN can't wait to get rid of this smirking cowboy.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Rigs11

Wait a minute. Since Dumbya is asking the UN for help now doesn't that make him a.... gasp....flip-floper?

You took the words right out of my mouth.

This is just the latest addition to a long list of bush flip-flops.

You really have to give Rove credit:

He's managed to convince large numbers of ditto monkeys that Kerry is the flip-flopper and AWOL Boy is the war hero.

BTW, did you hear bush's latest Freudian slip today?

First he said we should leave Iraq, then he "corrected himself" and said we should stay.

Catastrophic success indeed.

[watermock]

Shouldn't the UN be a little bit more concerned about Al Qaeda killing innocents in Sudan that sitting on their hands in New York?

[watermock]

Originally Posted by Rigs11

Wait a minute. Since Dumbya is asking the UN for help now doesn't that make him a.... gasp....flip-floper? Seriously though the UN can't wait to get rid of this smirking cowboy.

Bush went the UN for help over a dozen times. The fact is, they were fat and sassy in the Terroism for Oil Scandal.

He pushed thru a resolution that called for punitive action against Iraq if they continued to ignore the conditions of the cease fire.

What part of this is beyond your comprehension?

All he did today was ask again, and again, Annan and his group of cronies sat on their hands.

Then Kerry placed his most scathing attack on Bush's foriegn policy in the history of his campaign, right after he gets done talking to the U.N.

To call Kerry classless would be an understatement.

All Kerry says is how he would bring the UN into the discussion, and when Bush does the same thing, he slams him.

He's pathetic and divisive. Bush did exactly what Kerry said he would, but says that it's Bush, not his policies that have alienated the UN.

Your kidding me right? You think Kerry has enough "charisma" to change French Policy?

Giving the Idiotic French was simply a gift to hold off the Soviets. They prance around like Minaruettes.

They haven't won a battle since two incher Napoleon and he was defeated. Their Royal King dressed like a ******.

They are so amusing. Then we have a Muslim in Annan in the UN who doesn't even pay attention to the Sudan.

[Rigs11]

Originally Posted by watermock

Bush went the UN for help over a dozen times. The fact is, they were fat and sassy in the Terroism for Oil Scandal.

He pushed thru a resolution that called for punitive action against Iraq if they continued to ignore the conditions of the cease fire.

What part of this is beyond your comprehension?

All he did today was ask again, and again, Annan and his group of cronies sat on their hands.

Then Kerry placed his most scathing attack on Bush's foriegn policy in the history of his campaign, right after he gets done talking to the U.N.

To call Kerry classless would be an understatement.

All Kerry says is how he would bring the UN into the discussion, and when Bush does the same thing, he slams him.

He's pathetic and divisive. Bush did exactly what Kerry said he would, but says that it's Bush, not his policies that have alienated the UN.

Your kidding me right? You think Kerry has enough "charisma" to change French Policy?

Giving the Idiotic French was simply a gift to hold off the Soviets. They prance around like Minaruettes.

They haven't won a battle since two incher Napoleon and he was defeated. Their Royal King dressed like a ******.

They are so amusing. Then we have a Muslim in Annan in the UN who doesn't even pay attention to the Sudan.

Everybody knows that Dumbya wanted to go into Iraq regardless. Yes there was a resolution however instead of allowing the inspectors to finish their job, Dumbya got antsy and went into Iraq at the same time that Bin Laden was huffin it to safety in the mountains of Afghanistan.Way to go dumbass.

Asked again and again? Was this before or after the famous "old Europe" comment?

The reason that Kerry slams Bush is that Bush should have brought in the UN a long time ago. Did you watch the same boring "we will prevail" speech to the UN yesterday? Hell even Allawi had a look of "here we go again". Nothing about how what is going on Iraq on the ground. Kerry is right, Dumbya is living in a fantasy world. Iraq is going to ****,and Dumbya has no idea what to do.


Tell me this? Why doesn't the freedom loving compassionate Bush do anything about the genocide in Sudan? I mean he always brings up how he freed the Iraqis, where do you draw the line?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Rigs11

Everybody knows that Dumbya wanted to go into Iraq regardless. Yes there was a resolution however instead of allowing the inspectors to finish their job, Dumbya got antsy and went into Iraq at the same time that Bin Laden was huffin it to safety in the mountains of Afghanistan.Way to go dumbass.

Exactly.

He was in a huge rush, and we simply couldn't spare even a little more time to let the inspectors finish doing their jobs.

And who could forget Kinda-sleaza Rice's "mushroom cloud" rhetoric and all the other carefully-crafted intimations of imminent danger to the US?

Well, now we know what the hurry was all about, don't we?

The inspectors finish their work, we find out what we know now, i.e. that there are no WMD, and the Carlyle/Halliburton/Bush/Cheney mafia doesn't get to have its war.

As for Smirk asking the UN for help, isn't this move just typical for the frat boy?

He's spent his whole life having someone following him around with a shovel.

Daddy! I made another boo-boo...please get somebody to make it all better for me.

Meanwhile, the UN is incredulous that the same morally retarded cretin who told them to pound sand a year ago doesn't understand why they are reluctant to pick up the shovel.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

How is it that...

How is that George Bush can go to the United Nations and ask the international community to contribute more troops, materials and monies to the stabilization of Iraq and he is lauded as being "Presidential," and yet when John Kerry makes the same requests he is deemed as being delusional?

How is it that Rudy Guiliani, Arnold Schartzenegger, Dick Cheney and George Bush can stand in front of the Republican National Convention and contend that they and their party are indispensable to the national security of the United States when the first one never served a day in the armed forces, the second made his name and fortune by dressing up in elaborate costumes and pretending to be a Barbarian, Terminator, Super Spy, et al -- proving that not just "girlie men" wear makeup --, the third applied for and was granted 6 separate deferments during the Vietnam War because he had "other priorities at the time", and the last one -- heaven help us, is the only one of the quartet who actually did serve in a branch of the Armed Services! -- not only received preferential treatment to be accepted in a non combat outfit but didn't even live up to its less than demanding requirements, while out of the other corner of their Party's mouth they have the shameless gall to impugn the character of a man who willingly faced more lethal danger than the four of them combined have in their entire lives?

[Crushaholic]

The terrorists are succeeding in scaring the little countries like Spain out of combat, thus reducing the overall force in Iraq. They're still trying to scare countries out of Iraq one innocent civilian head at a time.

[watermock]

How is it that...

How is that George Bush can go to the United Nations and ask the international community to contribute more troops, materials and monies to the stabilization of Iraq and he is lauded as being "Presidential," and yet when John Kerry makes the same requests he is deemed as being delusional?

Who is calling Kerry "Delusional". The fact of the matter is Kerry has made assertions that somehow he's the magic elixer to bring France and Germany into the mix. Russia is allready fed up with the crap. What is Kerry going to do besides side with the enemy like he did with the Viet Cong in Paris France.

Hell, Kerry even went to Nicaragua to undercut efforts there that eventually threw the communists out.

So what do you expect Kerry to do? Get tough as he has allready licked the a-holes of the Viet Cong and Sandanistas?

Yeah, he can make plenty of pretty paper arrangements as long as he folds like the paper tiger that he is.

What exactly do you expect Kerry to do? Give France back Indochina?

[Cito Pelon]

The bottom line is the Mid-East is going to be the same dictator-led cesspool it's been since the Khans went through there, eliminating every person of learning. If GWB gets reelected, he'll pull out the troops no later than summer 2006, leaving the country in the hands of whoever has control of the country at the time.

It's left to people with sense to pick up the pieces, and the middle-class has to foot the bill.

Another bottom-line is how do we keep under control these idiots that buy into any fat-mouthed punk's BS?

[watermock]

Stay tuned I guess. I am finally getting over the beheading videos after about 24 hours.

I'm tired of it for a bit. I'm just tired physically. The video he me pretty hard mentally but I'm ok now. I can handle that now. I had alot of trouble with it today. Rock and Roll and try not to throw up. I'll get thru it.

why am I banging my fist on my desk and trying to throw up?

[TomServo]

how do we keep a handle on the middle east? i dunno, let the europeans-the great appeasers handle it? the U.N.? kofi annan hates us and all we stand for all the while standing behind us and our military for his protection.
kerry still loves the u.n. why? after their great success in rowanda? the baltics? haiti? oyeah haiti was ourproblem. the sudan right now?
seems to me kerry wants to out war bush right now thanks to his new-old clinton advisors. are the kerry supporters on board with his newest position?
more soldiers. more money. more everything?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

The bottom line is the Mid-East is going to be the same dictator-led cesspool it's been since the Khans went through there, eliminating every person of learning.

Bingo.

The bush neocons were delusional when they thought they could change this.

I wouldn't expect them to undestand the history of the region well enough to get your Khan reference, but you would at least think they'd remember the Shah of Iran, for chrissakes!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bush's many Iraq positions

We know that John Kerry has had exactly one position on Iraq.

http://www.democrats.org/blog/comment/00011015.html

So how many times has President Bush changed his mind?

Kevin Drum has a must-read rundown of all the different plans the Bush administration has gone through in Iraq and wonders what's coming next:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/arc..._09/004763.php

[Traveler]

'Staying the Course' Isn't an Option
By Mike Turner
Newsweek

Friday 24 September 2004

Iraq is probably already lost, says former military-policy planner Mike Turner. But there are still some smart strategies for Kerry to adopt
Sept. 24 - One of the great mysteries of this election is the inability of John Kerry to challenge George W. Bush on his national-security credentials and to hold his administration accountable for its monumental failure in Iraq. These two issues remain the soft underbelly of the Bush campaign. That the Kerry campaign hasn't effectively exploited them is disheartening. That he's allowed Bush to actually spin them into strengths is mind-boggling. Since the American people seem to be buying the GOP's reality-TV version of events in Iraq, let's take a hard look at the military realities.

From a purely military standpoint, the war in Iraq is an unmitigated disaster. This administration failed to make even a cursory effort at adequately defining the political end state they sought to achieve by removing Saddam Hussein, making it impossible to precisely define long-term military success. That, in turn, makes it impossible to lay out a rational exit strategy for U.S. troops. Like Vietnam, the military is again being asked to clean up the detritus of a failed foreign policy. We are nose-deep in a protracted insurgency, an occupying Christian power in an oil-rich, Arab country. That country is not now and has never been a single nation. A single, unified, democratic Iraq comprised of Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis is a willfully ignorant illusion at best.

Two thirds of America's combat brigades are now tied down in this war which, under present conditions, is categorically unwinnable. Having alienated virtually every major ally who might help, our troops are simply targets. If Bush is re-elected, there are only two possible outcomes in Iraq:Four years from now, America will have 5,000 dead servicemen and women and an untold number of dead Iraqis at a cost of about $1 trillion, yet still be no closer to success than we are right now, or

The U.S. will be gone, and we will witness the birth of a violent breeding ground for Shiite terrorists posing a far greater threat to Americans than a contained Saddam.
To discern the truth about Iraq, Americans must simply look beyond the spin. This war is not some noble endeavor, some great struggle of good against evil as the Bush administration would have us believe. We in the military have heard these grand pronouncements many times before by men who have neither served nor sacrificed. This war is an exercise in colossal stupidity and hubris which has now cost more than 1,000 American military lives, which has empowered Al Qaeda beyond anything those butchers might have engineered on their own and which has diverted America's attention and precious resources from the real threat at the worst possible time. And now, in a supreme act of truly breathtaking gall, this administration insists the only way to fix Iraq is to leave in power the very ones who created the nightmare.

Absent an unequivocal plan from Kerry, the Bush administration's "stay the course" strategy has become the de facto solution. Yet this is a recipe for even greater tragedy, setting the stage for far more crippling attacks on Americans. It means adhering to a plan that may very soon make it impossible for the U.S. to respond to significant threats from elsewhere against its vital strategic interests. The administration's policies are tearing down America's military readiness worldwide, while ignoring the real war on terror.

So what strategies should candidate Kerry propose? The first steps are patently obvious to anyone who has worked even briefly as a military policy planner. First, Americans must understand it is highly probable that Iraq is already lost. Americans must stop believing the never-ending litany of "happy thoughts" spewing forth from the Bush campaign and start thinking about our men and women dying wholesale in Iraq. Having acknowledged that painful reality and the genuine, long-term danger posed to Americans by remaining in Iraq, here are some obvious actions for Kerry to propose at his first debate next week with Bush.

1. Define the political end state. A "free and democratic Iraq" is not a realistic political goal. A loose coalition of Kurdistan (Kurds), a Central Arab Republic (Sunni) and a Southern Arab Republic (Shia) might be. Whatever the goal, the political objective must precede the military objective, and it must be forged by the experts at the State Department, not the Pentagon.

2. Given a precisely defined political objective, the president must obtain an accurate and honest field assessment from our senior military commanders, who must be free to make that assessment without recrimination. These commanders must decide if a military mission supporting the precisely defined political objective is possible and realistic. If it is, we need to enter Iraq with overwhelming military force to achieve success. If our military leaders determine it is not‹and I believe that is very likely‹we must pull our troops out now. Under Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, a renowned autocrat and micromanager, this type of honest assessment by the military is impossible.

3. We must obtain United Nations mandate for a long-term solution to Iraq. The U.N. may be largely impotent, inefficient and ineffectual, but it has become the basis for legitimizing military operations around the world. Since the case for defending ourselves against a supposedly imminent threat is now dead‹if it ever was alive‹we must obtain international, political top cover for all future operations.

4. We must obtain the support of our allies for a newly crafted, long-term political solution for the region. This will enable us to share the burden of rebuilding Iraq, though it may require some big sticks and even bigger carrots.

If the Bush administration remains in power, failure in Iraq is a virtual certainty. "Staying the course" during a crisis spiraling rapidly downward will cost thousands of American and Iraqi lives, will continue to sap the operational readiness of this nation's armed forces, and will continue to strengthen Al Qaeda's hand. To paraphrase FDR, it's time to change horses. The one we're on is about to drown.

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Retired Air Force Col. Mike Turner is a former military planner who served on the U.S. Central Command planning staff for operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm. Before retiring in 1997, he spent four years as a strategic policy planner for the Joint Chiefs of Staff specializing in Middle East/Africa affairs. He is a 1973 graduate of the U.S. Air Force Academy and a former fighter pilot and air-rescue helicopter pilot.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Rigs11

Everybody knows that Dumbya wanted to go into Iraq regardless. Yes there was a resolution however instead of allowing the inspectors to finish their job, Dumbya got antsy and went into Iraq at the same time that Bin Laden was huffin it to safety in the mountains of Afghanistan.Way to go dumbass.

Asked again and again? Was this before or after the famous "old Europe" comment?

It was before. That comment was made as a result of old Europe's refusal to get involved and support the invasion.

Originally Posted by Rigs11

The reason that Kerry slams Bush is that Bush should have brought in the UN a long time ago. Did you watch the same boring "we will prevail" speech to the UN yesterday? Hell even Allawi had a look of "here we go again". Nothing about how what is going on Iraq on the ground. Kerry is right, Dumbya is living in a fantasy world. Iraq is going to ****,and Dumbya has no idea what to do.

The only way to get the UN involved would be to bribe them. Before the war, that bribe would have had to be pretty impressive to outbid the oil for food program kickbacks.

Kerry implies that he would use bribes to pull old Europe in to help. He talks about how we need to open up oil-related contracting to the European countries to get their assistance. He criticises Bush's coalition as being made up of the "bribed and the coerced" but what he really wants to do is increase the offer so we can get his boarding school pals into the game.

Originally Posted by Rigs11

Tell me this? Why doesn't the freedom loving compassionate Bush do anything about the genocide in Sudan? I mean he always brings up how he freed the Iraqis, where do you draw the line?

Because Bush is busy attending to the specific national interests of the US. You people are funny. You (liberals as a group rather than Rigs11 in particular) criticize Bush for over-extending our military by invading Iraq when we are still dealing with Afghanistan, but then you turn around and complain that we haven't invaded Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia and the Sudan all at the same time.