CBS Admits Documents May Be Forged

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by patteeu

What is proven is that the documents were so shakey that not even a left-leaning newsman like Rather can justify using them as the basis for a story. Your requirement for some level of absolute proof is ridiculous. You seem to require proof beyond an unreasonable doubt.
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Does this mean you have irrefutable proof that the docs were forged?

I know we'd all like very much to see it.

So far, all I've seen is hearsay evidence and dubious claims about fonts, etc.

And, while you're at it, please tell us who forged the docs and what action is being taken against this forger.

Bottom line:

No one has even ID'd the source of the docs. CBS named Burkett as their source, but Burkett hasn't said where he got the docs.

Rather and CBS have merely wimped out and caved to pressure and intimidation. What a surprise.

Why don't you be honest and admit that this is a stalemate:

Rather can't prove the authenticity of the docs, and your side hasn't named a forger and hasn't successfully prosecuted him.

[watermock]

Viacom's entire Board of Directors contributed to Kerry. One gave equal amounts to both parties.

[watermock]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Does this mean you have irrefutable proof that the docs were forged?

Are you in a cave? Burkett is still wondering if the Ms. Rodriguez fed him this tripe or it was O.J. Simpson who escaped to Mexico. He's got serious cred problems at this point. I saw a video of him, and he looks pretty ready for the suicide watch. This guy is off his rocker.

I know we'd all like very much to see it.

CBS calling for an "internal investigation" is a good clue. I am calling for a criminal investigation.

So far, all I've seen is hearsay evidence and dubious claims about fonts, etc.

It was hearsay evidence your still defending. I knew it. LABF would defend this tripe to the last man standing. You have to be the stupidest dimwit on the planet. It's all blow up you dumbass. The connection between CBS, the Kerry campaign and Burkett has been established.

And, while you're at it, please tell us who forged the docs and what action is being taken against this forger.

I am calling for a supeona to examing Burkett's phone records and CBS records along with Locketts records at Kamp Kerry.

Got a problem with that LABF?

Bottom line:

No one has even ID'd the source of the docs. CBS named Burkett as their source, but Burkett hasn't said where he got the docs.

Burkett has allready given two sources, both phony. It's pretty obvious that Burkett himself made the documents. He would have the original forms to push onto Microsoft Word. The Ms. Rodriguez is likely a desperate cover.

Rather and CBS have merely wimped out and caved to pressure and intimidation. What a surprise.

Yeah they really wimped out after Rather said he stood by the story, then said he stood by the "heart" of the story then today made a public apology after 12 days. CBS has launched an "internal investigation". How amusing.

Why don't you be honest and admit that this is a stalemate:

Rather can't prove the authenticity of the docs, and your side hasn't named a forger and hasn't successfully prosecuted him.

Your about a week behind coherence there buddy. It's allready been tacked down that Burkett talked to CBS, the Broad called Lockett from the newly formed Clinton/Kerry campaign, and gave him Burkett's number and they talked about ways to hurt Bush.

Lockett denys even discussing the documents with Burkett at this point.

Sit down and shut up. It's allready been blown up! It's all there, collusion between CBS, the Kerry campaign and Burkett the forger.

It's all there in black and white. Stalemate my ass.

Checkmate.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Does this mean you have irrefutable proof that the docs were forged?

I know we'd all like very much to see it.

So far, all I've seen is hearsay evidence and dubious claims about fonts, etc.

And, while you're at it, please tell us who forged the docs and what action is being taken against this forger.

Bottom line:

No one has even ID'd the source of the docs. CBS named Burkett as their source, but Burkett hasn't said where he got the docs.

Rather and CBS have merely wimped out and caved to pressure and intimidation. What a surprise.

Why don't you be honest and admit that this is a stalemate:

Rather can't prove the authenticity of the docs, and your side hasn't named a forger and hasn't successfully prosecuted him.

It's not a stalemate, it's a clear victory for the Bush campaign and a clear stain on both CBS and (perhaps unfairly) on Kerry.

Burkett has already named his source. He said it was some mystery woman who he doesn't know how to contact. He has no evidence that she ever existed.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

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Rather can't prove the authenticity of the docs, and your side hasn't named a forger and hasn't successfully prosecuted him.

P.S. You don't have to charge and convict someone of murder to recognize that a murder has been committed.

Regardless of whether you can bring yourself to admit that these docs are fake, the rest of us know better. Even the main actors in this melodrama all agree that the docs are phony now. They're running for cover now. You are like the shellshocked GI just standing in the middle of the battlefield, zoning out while the shells go off all around you and your buddies are diving for cover.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It's not a stalemate, it's a clear victory for the Bush campaign...

Only in the minds of those who support bush. Anyone else with two brain cells to rub together can see that the whole flap is nothing but a diversion and a con job. Rove was able to shift the focus from bush's service (or lack thereof) to the documents. Anyone who is awake knows that this was the plan.

Burkett has already named his source. He said it was some mystery woman who he doesn't know how to contact. He has no evidence that she ever existed.

When will the WH call for an inverstigation? If Burkett is guilty of forgery then will he be charged? Will a prosecutor find him guilty? Doesn't the WH want to know who is gunning for the boy king?

You don't have to charge and convict someone of murder to recognize that a murder has been committed.

But you have to charge and convict someone to find out who did it and prove it.

The ball is in your court.

[watermock]

You have outdone yourself LABF.

Only in the minds of those who support bush. Anyone else with two brain cells to rub together can see that the whole flap is nothing but a diversion and a con job. Rove was able to shift the focus from bush's service (or lack thereof) to the documents. Anyone who is awake knows that this was the plan.

I was waiting for you to bring up Rove. Evidently Rove and Burkett and Dan Rather and the mysterious Ms. Rodriguez is pretty amusing.

When will the WH call for an inverstigation? If Burkett is guilty of forgery then will he be charged? Will a prosecutor find him guilty? Doesn't the WH want to know who is gunning for the boy king?

There have allready been calls for an investigation. CBS is going to do an "internal investigation" whatever that means. Burkett's phone logs need to be confiscated first.

But you have to charge and convict someone to find out who did it and prove it.

The ball is in your court.

It was a charge against Bush from an anonymous source which has been BUSTED. There need be no trial or court you dimwit. The Crazy Man, Rather and Lockett have allready pleaded guilty.

The only thing left is to take Burkett's phone records and show that there were more than one conversation with Lockett.

[errand]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

If somebody forges a document saying "2+2=4" using my handwriting and forges my signature to it, does it follow that the statement "2+2=4" is false?

Use your head, man.

That would be true, except your assuming that what these forged documents contained were the truth....and not someone's wishful thinking.

Just like the Swift Boat vets recollection of John Kerry's heroics differs from his own, so do these memos and the man accused of being AWOL...he says he was there, and has an original Honorable Discharge....meanwhile, the DNC and CBS have two forged documents saying "No you weren't!"

See, again, so you'll understand - if that same person forged your handwriting to a form that was filled with things that cannot be verified.....wouldn't one have to dismiss the entire thing?

[watermock]

This isn't over Errand.

We are still waiting for the mysterious Ms. Rodriguez.

I want Mr. Burkett's phone records BAD.

[TexanBob]

Dubious claims about fonts?

I'd say the fonts are about as rock solid a claim as you can get without a confession.

The odds that the Texas Air National Guard in 1972 would have a typewriter (and it can only be a typewriter, there were no word processors or PCs at the time) with proportional fonts in New Times Roman are longer than the odds that you'll be sucking Bush's dick in the next 20 seconds. What the left and their media friends are trying to obfuscate away is that New Times Roman was not commonly used for any type of printing, except in Great Britain, until Microsoft bought the copyright to it (Microsoft didn't exist in 1972). They bought it specifically *because* they could then patent it, that's how scarce the font was used in the U.S.

And proportional fonts would have been a nightmare on a typewriter where many documents had to be measured out in column spaces in order to be sure it would consistently fit on the page. The likelihood is that anyone screwy enough to design a proportional font typewriter would have a hard time selling it, particularly to the U.S. government.

Keep in mind also that the U.S. military, in general, is about a decade or more behind the curve when it comes to things like office supplies. Bureaucracies move slowly, particularly large ones like the federal government.

So even if it's *possible* that such a typewriter *could* exist in 1972, the chances that it would be found at the offices of the Texas Air National Guard in Pasadena, Texas are like the chances of my dog finding the winning Powerball lottery ticket while ripping up the neighbor's trash. The odds are better you'll find two people with the exact same DNA.

Now toss in the errors in the documents themselves which even Ms. Carr Knox, the secretary, says *she'd* never make and yet it is Ms. Carr Knox who is the lone alleged eyewitness who thinks there may be some truth to the memos even if she refuses to claim that Burkett's memos are in any way authentic.

That's about as far removed from dubious as you can get without a signed confession. That's why DNCBS was literally caught with their pants down using these documents as part of their story. The fake documents contain the sort of falsehoods that even high school dropouts can understand.

There's a joke going around that Bush didn't show up for his physical because he was too busy downloading tunes into his I-Pod. That only slightly exaggerates the impossible leaps of technology that these documents ask us to accept.

[errand]

...I particularly loved the part of the documents that said "President Bush refused to take a physical, and was suspended"...!

[watermock]

don't worry errand, I am on top of this.

It's real comedy.

[watermock]

What few people know is that two of the pages were so outrageous even SeeBS wouldn't even post them. There were 6 pages, not 4.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That would be true, except your assuming that what these forged documents contained were the truth....and not someone's wishful thinking.

This is exactly where you are wrong. Almost everything in the documents was already a matter of uncontested public record. The memos were merely corroboration.

Your side keeps trying to obscure the fact that these memos are not the first and certainly not the only sources of evidence that the AWOL monkey didn't fulfill his obligation to the ANG.

Just like the Swift Boat vets recollection of John Kerry's heroics differs from his own, so do these memos and the man accused of being AWOL...he says he was there, and has an original Honorable Discharge..

Bad analogy.

Smirk is the only one who says he "was there." No one else recalls seeing him, and no one can vouch for him. Oil Boy has still not been able to prove that he fulfilled his commitment to the ANG. There is no evidence that Deserter Boy put in his time in either Alabama or Boston. Smirk did not earn enough points for an honorable discharge.

See, again, so you'll understand - if that same person forged your handwriting to a form that was filled with things that cannot be verified.....wouldn't one have to dismiss the entire thing?

Here again you have the same problem.

That is, the CBS memos represent only a small fraction of the evidence that the disaster monkey didn't fulfill his commitment to the ANG.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Dubious claims about fonts?

I'd say the fonts are about as rock solid a claim as you can get without a confession.

Your claims about the fonts (I didn't quote them all here) have already been disputed and in some cases discredited by other experts.

All you really have are experts disagreeing with other experts about a subject that isn't an exact science in the first place.

Nice job of diverting from the issue of Bush's failure to fulfill his commitment to the ANG, though.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I particularly loved the part of the documents that said "President Bush refused to take a physical, and was suspended"..

This was already public record even before the CBS docs came down the pike.

Bush has yet to account for why he refused to take the physical and was suspended.

And, wouldn't you know it, not one member of the media has ever asked him!

What's funny is that Rove was obviously hoping that some discredited memos would make the unanswered questions go away.

[watermock]

Why bother at this point.

If the you were on the other fence, you would be going crazy with glee.

The fact is I dare you to show a picture of Burkett. That would be amusing.

I'm not sure what your trying to prove at this point.

Burkett has allready admited the documents are forgeries. What part of this don't you understand?

If your still claiming the fonts could be found with a needle in a haystack, be my guest, it's only more hillarious when Burkett thinks they came from Mexico or something. It's absolutely pathetic. Go play with it.

Here are the facts dumbass. Bush has a verifiable Honorable Discharge. Kerry has a CrazyMan with some Ms. Rodriguez cooking Peyote for him.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Mike Meyers, Jim Morrison and Mr. Burkett all walk up into your dream where your in underwear.

[watermock]

The Crazy Man Burkett is allready calling for a libel suit.

There are about 2 dozen lawsuits being formed and your like some wet cat clinging on the edge of the boat. Your all done dude.

I don't have to do anything but laugh. Are you even in September 22?

Go play with it. CBS is in big time damage control at this point.

LABF isn't even close to real time. There will be calls for criminal investigations of the Kerry Campaign by Thursday.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Quotes

"I'm surprised at the attitude of the other networks. CNN is by far the worst (not counting the whores at FOX). In all the years I've been watching the news, I've never seen this before. CNN will talk about what a dupe rather is, then go to another story, then back to Rather where they discuss what a fool Rather is, then back to Rather where they discuss what a partisan liar Rather is, then another story, then back to Rather where they giggle at him.

Around 1 PM Central, the attractive, auburn-haired harlot would switch to a reporter in the field and ask him, "Are you going to tell us the truth? ...or mislead us?" and then giggle again.

I'm so old, I remember CNN having to apologize for a big story they got wrong, but they think it's real cute to kick Dan Rather when he's down.

Then, just to prove they can be as right-wing as FOX, they get Howie Kurtz (R-BFEE Toadie) on the air to charge that "It's possible Dan Rather's career could be over," because "He staked his reputation" that this story was true.

Howie, if you weren't Bush's personal toadie at CNN, you might ask yourself this question:

How many men died because of Rather's mistake?

Bush, Cheney, Rummy and Powell "staked their reputations" on WMDs being found in Oraq, and that screwup has killed over 1,000 soldiers, so what not ask your bosses that question?

Nobody died from Rather's mistake, and Rather's family didn't make billions in profit from Rather's mistake, so why let Bush and Cheney off the hook for lying us into a dealy war for no reason?

Funny - Howard Kurtz sees Rather as the guilty and Bush doing his job."

--Bartcop, using the big hammer

[watermock]

You know know damn well that your full of crap.

Now your dishing CNN.

Don't despair, there is always Bartcop Blog.

Noone has made you live in reality, it's a free country. Blog out.

[watermock]

LABF is going to try to get his little buddies back here just wait.

It's kinda funny.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...er-guard_x.htm

After he received the documents in Houston, Burkett said, he drove home, stopping on the way at a Kinko's shop in Waco to copy the six memos. In the parking lot outside, he said, he burned the ones he had been given and the envelope they were in. Ramirez was worried about leaving forensic evidence on them that might lead back to her, Burkett said, acknowledging that the story sounded fantastic. "This is going to sound like some damn sci-fi movie," he said.

After keeping the copies for a couple of days, he said he drove to a location he would not specify, about 100 miles from his ranch, to put them "in cold storage." Burkett said he took the action because he believed the papers were politically explosive and made him nervous. "I treated them like absolute TNT," he said. "They looked to me like they were devastating."

Burkett's Source for Docs Wanted Him to BURN What She Had Touched?

More specfically, the docs she had given him. So that her residual DNA, prints etc., could not be tracked back to HER. Which is why he BURNED what she gave him, and made copies I'm guessing.

THIS definitively points to Rove/GOP/BFEE ops planting them and faking them, IMO.

They've done this kind of thing before.

I mean why would anyone working for Kerry risk everything to fabricate, there was more than ample evidence already that Bush didn't show up...

....and if they weren't/aren't fabricated -- why would a Kerry supporter even be concerned that her DNA was on the docs?

No, this woman KNEW they were forgeries which is why she wanted her part in it, disappeared. They saw Burkett a long time ago on TV, and contacted him first - they set him up.

I feel so sorry for this guy reading this article, at one point he turns to his wife and says, "We've lost it all baby, it's all gone," or words to that effect.

See that's the difference between the two choices.

Line up against Kerry at the BFEE's behest, and get million dollar govt contracts, and powerful appointments (see SmearBoat vets).

Do the right thing, and, on your own, have the integrity to expose the lying squatter who never served, and your life will be destroyed by them.

But what does our media do? They give credence and hype to the contradictory scum who are getting paid - and kick a man of honor in the gonads.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Roger Stone Named as Document Source

From today's NY Post...

"The hot rumor in New York political circles has Roger Stone, the longtime GOP activist, as the source for Dan Rather's dubious Texas Air National Guard "memos."

The irony would be delicious, since Rather became famous confronting President Nixon, in whose service a very young Stone became associated with political "dirty tricks."

Reached at his Florida home, Stone had no comment."

By Ed Gillespie/Mark Racicot standards Stone's failure to deny complicity is an admission of guilt!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Roger Stone and Karl Rove

In the years of the Watergage scandal, Rove's career as a big-time political handler began with a motley crew of friends and associates. He was chairman of the College Republicans when George Herbert Walker Bush was chairman of the state Republican Party in 1973. He won the presidency of the College Republicans in a race against Terry Dolan. The late Lee Atwater, who later became famous as the political attack dog for the Reagan-Bush team, managed Rove's campaign. Dolan went on to become a Soft Money pioneer by helping form the National Conservative Political Action Committee, then died of AIDS in 1986 at age 36. Dolan's advisers in his loss to Rove were Charlie Black, Paul Manafort and Roger Stone. Those three were later instrumental in the success of Ronald Reagan's 1984 campaign.

Atwater joined the consulting firm of Black, Manafort and Stone after the '84 election. The firm later worked for the 1988 Bush-Quayle campaign.

http://www.famoustexans.com/karlrove.htm

First the swift boaters lead back to Karl...and then the CBS forgeries...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Nobody has proven these documents are not real or copied from real documents. In fact, if you wanted to discredit real documents you were afraid would appear, you would do exactly what has been done recently - provide the documents with a cloud over how they were acquired.

What has been done is to place these documents under the cloud of "doubtful provenance."