How many Veterans are here on the Mane?

[Traveler]

Just curious to know. Also interested in knowing what your personal feelings are toward Bush & Kerry and why. Forget party affiliations and political rhetoric. Only honest opinions without fear of attacks or reprisals.

Pretty much everyone knows for whom they'll vote. I'm interested in other veterans thoughts are as to why the support a certain candidate.

Papi

[freak6]

Bush got into the guard because he was rich, and daddy was a politician.

Kerry volunteered for the Navy, and then when he was so far from real duty, he again volunteered for some of the most hazardous duty possible.

Bush went AWOL.

Kerry won medals.

Bush failed as a businessman over and over.

Kerry was a state prosecutor.

Bush got rich from and insider stock trade ala Enron, his biggest campaign supporter in 2000.

Kerry was senator for 20 years.

Bush took a record surplus in Texas, turned it into a record deficit.

Bush allowed 911 to happen, and afterward gave weak excuses like "I wasn't on point, I didn't feel a sense of urgency", when all the intelligence bureaus were running around with thier "hair on fire". Bush did nothing, despite numerous warnings of a "catastrophic attack", and the August 6th PDB that warned of hijackings and other attacks. Bush later admitted, "There are some things I wish we'd have done, I'd have moved heaven and earth had I known there were to be hijackings of planes to be used as bombs"

Like that matters, a hijacking done by AL Qaeda is a hijacking none the less, american lives are in danger regardless, so his pathetic excuses are further shredded and his cowardice, lack of leadership, decisiveness is further discredited as he did nothing to stop the attacks, and when told that the US was under attack, he stood by and read a book for 7 minutes to kindergartners.

Now we are in a WAR, 1000 + dead, 6000 plus seriously wounded, Iraq is a total wasteland clusterfk, the generals on the ground are pissed and questioning thier civilian seniors, yet Cheney has the gall to call Rummy the greats SOD ever!!!!!

Pathetic, and the dead soldiers and my Brothers in danger don't like thier lives being used as political tools.

Domestically he has cut veterans benefits, allowed the Brady bill to turn into a fossil despite what the police what, turned AGAIN a record surplus into a record deficit with his ridiculous tax cuts to the richest americans, more americans do not have work, and more are uninsured for health care.

Avg incomes are also way lower, despite the new jobs created, they are crappy jobs. He also cut training in his budget, and unbelievably cut the funding for NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND, which in fact then left millions of kids behind who could have used the money for after school programs to keep them off the streets, pre/k programs, etc etc...

Is there anything he has succeeded in besides pandering to the NRA, the rich HMO's, the pharaceudical companies, and all his rich pals to include the scandalous energy companies

Oh yeah, he hooked up enron by allowing thier idiot UNPATRIOTIC CEO to be the VP, and true decision maker. Yes, Cheney is unpatriotic, if you dont think so, look at the structure of Halliburton, the king of deferments scammed his way out of Halliburton paying any taxes to the gov't whom they get all thier money from.

CORPS!!!!!!

[SoCalBronco]

freak15, your going to love LABF.

[freak6]

The thing is, it shouldn't be a liberal vs neo-con argument. All you have to do is ask yourself, are we better off now then we were then.

Yes my list of FACTS proves that Bush should be fired. No one can dispute the above facts.

But people get so tied up in our side vs your side.

WE are all AMERICANS... It is our duty to investigate the facts, and decide who is best. The obvious answer is Kerry when you are objective.

[Falconer]

Originally Posted by papi728

Just curious to know. Also interested in knowing what your personal feelings are toward Bush & Kerry and why. Forget party affiliations and political rhetoric. Only honest opinions without fear of attacks or reprisals.

Pretty much everyone knows for whom they'll vote. I'm interested in other veterans thoughts are as to why the support a certain candidate.

Papi

Marine Corps

My personal feelings about Bush and Kerry are that they are more alike than different. They both are rich out of touch individuals who are part of the political establishment. They have more concern about how to stay in power than what they can do for their fellow Americans.

What I find the most surprising though, is the venom that is spewed from both sides of this contest. You would think that we are talking about polar opposite candidates. The left and right are so busy screaming at each other and covering their eyes and ears, that they cannot see how unappealing their own candidate is. I am truly worried that this may be the status quo from now on.

[SoCalBronco]

the "Are you better/worse off than before" method of analysis is very intellectually lazy in my opinion. It fails to take into account a wide variety of confounding variables. We simply assume everything else to be equal and it isnt. The same would be true if we had a surplus and or positive overall job gains from January of 2001. Merely because there are various indicators that are better/good does not mean it was the result of George W. Bush's policies and the same concept would apply when it doesnt turn out so good. The key is trying to sift through the confounding variables and trying to assess someone's performance taking them into account. Its hard.

[Rohirrim]

U.S. Army, Infantry 10th Mountain Division

Bush's policies regarding Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Russia, etc. are in direct opposition to what I believe they should be. Bush's policies on the environment, education, health care, jobs, the economy, trade, etc. are in direct opposition to what I believe would be in the best interests of the people of the U.S. - now, and in the future.

These are complex times that require complex thinking - not cowboy machismo.

[SDChiefsfan]

1LT, US Army, 4/68 Armor; Ft. Carson, CO (1986-90)

(BTW, I "liked" the Broncos prior to my stint there; the Broncomania drove me over the edge...)

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

U.S. Army, Infantry 10th Mountain Division

Bush's policies regarding Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Russia, etc. are in direct opposition to what I believe they should be. Bush's policies on the environment, education, health care, jobs, the economy, trade, etc. are in direct opposition to what I believe would be in the best interests of the people of the U.S. - now, and in the future.

These are complex times that require complex thinking - not cowboy machismo.

Preach my man!


U.S. Army 82nd ABN DIV (G-2), Ft. Bragg, NC

Next question? Does it matter to you if the candidate did or didn't serve in the military? Active duty or not.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by papi728

Preach my man!


U.S. Army 82nd ABN DIV (G-2), Ft. Bragg, NC

Next question? Does it matter to you if the candidate did or didn't serve in the military? Active duty or not.

Airborne? There's only two things that fall out of the sky, right?

As far as the military service question goes; No, to me it's not that important. I think you can get some indication of a person's character from their service record, but that's only a small part of the whole picture. I want to know about the person's life experiences, education, experience in government, accomplishments and also, if they have faced adversity in their lives, and how they dealt with it.

[freak6]

To me it obviously is important because it gives you an insight into that person's character, how responsible they are, how seriously committed they are to thier job, and whether they would take matters URGENTLY...

The fact of the matter is Bush has skated through his life because of where he came from. He lived with the silver spoon in his mouth, and got away with things the normal person would not have.

He got into the ANG because of who he was. That is a fact, noone can dispute that, there was a 150 person waiting list, and he jumped it thanks to Ben Barnes.

Then he went AWOL. That matters.

Now while you cannot say for a fact that Bush never changed his ways, I THINK that he did not change his ways, and thought he could skate through his term as President as he did his entire life. If you don't think so,

just ask him...

"I wasn't on point, I didn't feel that sense of urgency"

[Blueflame]

I'm not a veteran, but my husband (Air Force) and my father (Marine Corps) are. Neither would vote for Bush even if he were running unopposed. And yes, his service record does enter into that equation, but it's only one of many factors involved.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by freak15

The fact of the matter is Bush has skated through his life because of where he came from. He lived with the silver spoon in his mouth, and got away with things the normal person would not have.

He got into the ANG because of who he was. That is a fact, noone can dispute that, there was a 150 person waiting list, and he jumped it thanks to Ben Barnes.

Then he went AWOL. That matters.

Bingo.

Remember that old "character counts" slogan repeated ad infinitum by the rethugs during the Clinton years?

I guess that slogan only applies to Clinton.

BTW, I wouldn't discuss my military service here because chickenhawk punks (like Exile, MHS, watercock, et al) who never served are just going to sh*t all over it. I've already had more than my fill of bush nazis telling me I "hate America" because I don't unconditionally support the frat boy.

[errand]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Bingo.

Remember that old "character counts" slogan repeated ad infinitum by the rethugs during the Clinton years?

I guess that slogan only applies to Clinton.

I've already had more than my fill of bush nazis telling me I "hate America" because I don't unconditionally support the frat boy.

...and getting out of serving in Vietnam is a good thing if you hi-tailed it to Canada, dodging the draft, but not if you served in the ANG, right?

Being a war hero didn't matter in '92 (Bush 41) and '96 (Dole)....but all of a sudden now it does right?

BTW we don't think you hate America because your a nut case liberal....we believe you hate America because your posts are nothing but doom and gloom and how America (specifically Bush) is the reason the world is so screwed up.

[missingnumber7]

OIF Vet...142nd ECB NDARNG I served a year in Iraq. Spent 6 months total at Ft. Carson...got stuck in a maitenence bay. Was deployed in the first wave. I'm currently goin to Officer Canidate School. I'm curious if anyone else is sick of hearing about military stuff and wants to know what they really wanna try to do in the next four years. Or are the debates gonna be about military service and who did what when where why and how. And by the way...the national guard was full of people during vietnam that got in because of money and many of them are now politicians. What dissapoints me most about Kerry is he didn't like what happened so came back and protested...now wants his record to be out front...I think there was a better way to go about it.

[errand]

BTW, back to the subject of this thread....

USMC Bravo Co, 2nd Recon Bn, 2nd MarDiv from '79-'83

I support Bush because he is a decisive leader, he makes decisions based on what he believes is right and is unwavering. Say what you want about his service record....like Kerry's, it's got some flaws....but, he supports the military, unlike Kerry. He's put more of my hard earned in money in my pocket and in my bank account instead of taking it away from me and giving it to substance abusers and drunks who are unwilling to work for a living because they vote Dem and they know the Dems would rob people to support them.

I don't support John Kerry because he's accomplished nothing in 20 odd years as a Senator, he's changed his mind on practically every issue, he was instrumental in giving comfort and aid to an enemy of this nation, he's bascially a communist (his picture is enshrined at the Communist Museum in Vietnam)...and he's done his best to impede and disrupt the ability of our military to be the best in the world by voting against practically every weapon system we currently employ that ensures us of waking up free people tomorrow.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by errand

...we believe you hate America because your posts are nothing but doom and gloom and how America (specifically Bush) is the reason the world is so screwed up.

There goes another Bubba working that same old, tired equation "holding Deserter Boy accountable = hatred of America."

Your keyboard is where truth, facts, and logic go to die.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I support Bush because he is a decisive leader...

In Deserter Boy's case, "decisive" is a Rovian euphemism for "stubborn" or "bone-headed."

What good is decisiveness when your *president is consistently and desicively wrong?

Smirk is decisively wrong about nearly every issue of importance to most Americans.

And even this alleged 'decisiveness' is a big lie.

Smirk is one of the worst flip-floppers of all time--from the 9/11 Commisssion to WMD in Iraq to homeland security to Osama bin Forgotten, to No Child Left Behind, etc.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Say what you want about his service record....like Kerry's, it's got some flaws...



You call going AWOL a "flaw?"

Just like you call volunteering for Viet Nam, the silver star, the bronze star, and three purple hearts "flaws" I suppose.

[errand]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

There goes another Bubba working that same old, tired equation "holding Deserter Boy accountable = hatred of America."

Your keyboard is where truth, facts, and logic go to die.

Your nothing but a spammer who posts this **** hoping something, anything, just even one little bit will stick.......you are a doom and gloomer who tries to spread your misery amongst the rest of us.

Amazing, Bush is allegedly a deserter, an idiot, a crook, a moron, and a crooked man who is bound to destroy the world because God told him to....and he's leading in damn near every poll out there over your war hero John Kerry.

We get it dude, your pissed that your life is crap.....so instead of pulling your self up and working harder and smarter, you'd rather wallow in your misery and try to bring others down with you.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I don't support John Kerry because he's accomplished nothing in 20 odd years as a Senator, he's changed his mind on practically every issue, he was instrumental in giving comfort and aid to an enemy of this nation, he's bascially a communist (his picture is enshrined at the Communist Museum in Vietnam)...and he's done his best to impede and disrupt the ability of our military to be the best in the world by voting against practically every weapon system we currently employ that ensures us of waking up free people tomorrow.

Must be a shame to have to lie and distort so egregiously to make a case for AWOL Boy.

BTW, if you want to find out who really voted against all those weapons systems, just look at 5 Deferment Dick's record.

[Raider Bill]

Originally Posted by freak15

The fact of the matter is Bush has skated through his life because of where he came from. He lived with the silver spoon in his mouth, and got away with things the normal person would not have."

And Kerry grew up in the hood? Please. This is how all us regular people live?

Originally Posted by freak15

He got into the ANG because of who he was. That is a fact, noone can dispute that, there was a 150 person waiting list, and he jumped it thanks to Ben Barnes.

Under Oath, Barnes Testified He Had No Contact With Bush Family Concerning National Guard. "Ben Barnes, then the speaker of the Texas House, said in 1999 that Sidney Adger, a Houston businessman and longtime friend of the Bush family whose son also won a slot in the 147th, had asked him to help get Mr. Bush into the Guard. Mr. Barnes, who acknowledged a role only after he was questioned under oath, also said that he had spoken to the head of the Texas Air National Guard on Mr. Bush's behalf, but had no contact with anyone in the Bush family. And there is no direct evidence that Mr. Bush's family pulled strings to get him into the 147th. Mr. Bush is firmly on record denying it, as is the commander of the unit, and there is no paper trail showing any influence by the Bush family." (David Barstow, "In Haze Of Guard Records, A Bit Of Clarity," The New York Times, 2/15/04)


Barnes Said Reports He Helped Bush At His Father's Urging Were "False." "Former Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes denied a magazine report Thursday that he helped George W. Bush get a place in the Texas Air National Guard at the urging of Bush's father. Bush, the Republican presidential front-runner, has repeatedly denied that he received preferential treatment in being accepted into the Guard during the Vietnam War. … 'I never spoke to Congressman Bush about his son,' Barnes said Thursday. 'The story is false.'" (Renae Merle, "Barnes Denies Report That He Helped Bush Into The National Guard," The Associated Press, 7/15/99)



According To February 2004 New York Times Article, Barnes' Story "Was Subject To Change And There Were No Documents To Support His Claims." "Local reporters could coax one former Democratic state official into admitting, off the record, that he had interceded on Mr. Bush's behalf at the request of either a prominent Dallas businessman or George H. W. Bush, who was then a member of Congress. But the official's story -- the source was later revealed to be former Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes -- was subject to change and there were no documents to support his claims." (Mimi Swartz, "In Search Of The President's Missing Years," The New York Times, 2/27/04)


Barnes Is Kerry Fundraiser And Advisor

Ben Barnes Is Kerry Campaign Vice-Chair, Raising Over $100,000 For Campaign. (Kerry For President Website, www.johnkerry.com/fec/, Accessed 9/4/04)

Barnes Considers John Kerry Close Personal Friend. "Barnes, a government consultant with offices in Austin, Chicago and Washington, said: 'I'm just an enthusiastic participant' who considers as personal friends Corzine, Daschle and Kerry, whom he got to know during summer vacations in Nantucket." (W. Gardner Selby, "Texas' Last 'Old Lion' Still On Prowl For Funds," San Antonio Express-Texas, 7/30/04)

"Texans For Kerry" Website Links To Barnes Video. (Texans For Kerry Website, www.texansforkerry.com/texansforkerry/, Accessed 9/7/04)

Barnes Is Considered "A Definite In" In Kerry Administration. "[Barnes has] known Kerry since the 1980s. 'I don't know who's going to be in and who's going to be out' of a possible Kerry administration, Barnes said. 'But John Kerry has been sympathetic to Texas in the past. ... I would expect him to listen to our problems if he's in the White House.' Barnes is a definite in, though he says he'll keep working as a lobbyist based in Austin." (Jay Root, "Texas Democrats Are Waiting In The Wings," Fort Worth Star Telegram, 7/31/04)

Barnes Owns Home Near Kerry's In Nantucket. "Now a lobbyist and consultant, Barnes has a house near Kerry's in Nantucket, Mass., and committed to Kerry's White House bid nearly three years ago on the grounds of the Nantucket Golf Club." (Jay Root, "Texas Democrats Are Waiting In The Wings," Fort Worth Star Telegram, 7/31/04)

Barnes Is Kerry "Super-Bundler" Fundraiser. "Eleven [Kerry super-bundlers] are from Texas, including Dallas plaintiff's lawyer Fred Baron and lobbyist Ben Barnes, a Lyndon Johnson protégé who served as lieutenant governor and is one of the national Democrat Party's most prodigious fund-raisers. 'If someone had told me last quarter that John Kerry would have raised as much money as he's been able to, I'd have said it couldn't happen. But I'm seeing it happen,' said Mr. Barnes, whose lobby clients have included American Airlines and the chemical giant Huntsman Corp." (Wayne Slater, "Vested Interests In Kerry Lawyers, Lobbyists Top Donors List," Dallas Morning News, 7/26/04)

Opening Night Of Democratic Convention In Boston, "Kerry Adviser And Veteran Political Fund-Raiser"Barnes Hosted Party For Convention-Goers. "On the opening night of the Democratic National Convention, more than 250 well-dressed people strayed from the convention, enjoying bubbly drinks and appetizers such as tablespoon-sized shrimp salads at a party hosted by former Texas Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes. Barnes, a Kerry adviser and veteran political fund-raiser, said he scheduled his event to remind potential donors about the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee, which seeks to help Democrats recapture a majority in the U.S. Senate, where the GOP has a two-vote majority." (W. Gardner Selby, "Texas' Last 'Old Lion' Still On Prowl For Funds," San Antonio Express-Texas, 7/30/04)

In October 2003, Barnes Hosted Fundraiser For John Kerry. "Democratic presidential contender John Kerry, counting on the Texas-Massachusetts connection that played better in the 1960s than it did in the 1980s, made three fund-raising stops in Texas on Wednesday as he campaigned toward primary season. Kerry, a senator from Massachusetts, spoke to about 60 supporters at the Four Seasons Hotel here between stops in Dallas and Houston….In introducing Kerry here, former Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes likened him to Kennedy. 'He possesses the talent, the courage, the experience and the depth that will make him, as Jack Kennedy was in 1961, a president that has the determination to lead this country,' Barnes said." (Ken Herman, "Kerry Plays Up Texas' Link To His Home State," Austin American-Statesman, 10/2/03)

Barnes Is A Partisan Democrat

Daschle Called Barnes "The Fifty-First Democratic Senator." "Yet here he is in the rarefied atmosphere of big power and big-time politics -- one of the chief financial and strategic architects of the Democratic resurgence to parity (and subsequently control) in the Senate. Majority leader Tom Daschle has called him 'the fifty-first Democratic senator.'" (Paul Burka, "So What If He Never Got To Be Governor Or President?" Texas Monthly, 9/01)

Barnes Attended Clinton Coffee Intended To Raise $500,000. "Newly released White House documents show that President Clinton's political operatives expected to raise $500,000 from a White House coffee for wealthy Texans in the summer, calling into question Clinton's assertion that 'no price tag was placed' on White House events. In a July 14 memo to White House officials, campaign Chairman Peter Knight suggested adding the Texas coffee klatch to Clinton's schedule as part of an effort to raise $7.8 million in the state. Knight predicted that the event would generate $500,000 in political contributions. About 20 Texans, including former Gov. Dolph Briscoe, Land Commissioner Garry Mauro and former Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes, attended the Aug. 23 get-together with the president." (Ron Hutcheson, "Clinton's Fund-Raising Assertion Questioned," Fort Worth Star-Telegram, 2/27/97)

In 1996, Barnes Endorsed Clinton/Gore '96. (Lisa R. Davis, "CEOs And Business Leaders Endorse President Clinton," Press Release, 10/8/96)

Ben Barnes Has Donated At Least $380,750 To Democratic Candidates And Campaign Bodies Including:

ü John Kerry For President Inc.

ü Kerry Committee

ü Kerry-Edwards 2004 Inc. General Election Legal And Accounting Compliance Fund

ü A Lot Of People Supporting Tom Daschle Inc.

ü Bob Graham For President Inc.

ü Cantwell 2006

ü Citizens For Biden

ü Citizens For Sarbanes

ü Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee

ü Democratic National Committee

ü Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee

ü Evan Bayh Committee

ü Friends Of Byron Dorgan

ü Friends Of Dick Durbin Committee

ü Friends Of Max Cleland For The US Senate Inc.

ü Friends Of Schumer

ü Friends Of Harry Reid

ü Friends Of Hillary

ü Friends Of Patrick J Kennedy Inc.

ü Friends Of Senator Carl Levin

ü Gephardt For President Inc.

ü Gore 2000 Inc.

ü Hillary Rodham Clinton For US Senate Committee Inc.

ü Joe Lieberman For President Inc.

ü Kennedy For Senate 2006

ü Leahy For U.S. Senator Committee

ü People For Patty Murray US Senate Campaign

ü Stabenow For US Senate

ü Tony Knowles For US Senate (Political Money Line Website, www.tray.com, Accessed 9/8/04)

Barnes' Ethical Mishaps

Sharpstown Bank Scandal In 1971 Ended Barnes' Political Career. "The Sharpstown Scandal: This scandal involved quick-profit stock sales for lawmakers and state officials in 1971-72. Houston financier Frank Sharp arranged the stock loans from his Sharpstown State Bank, purportedly to grease the passage of two banking bills. Two dozen former and sitting officials were accused, and others suffered by association. House Speaker Gus Mutscher and another legislator were convicted of conspiring to accept a bribe. Gov. Preston Smith lost the governorship after his profit was disclosed. Half the Texas House was voted out of office or didn't seek re-election. And Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes, a rising political star, was caught in the housecleaning when he tried to win the governor's seat. LBJ had even predicted that Barnes would make it to the White House." (Carolyn Barta, "Texas Has Left A Lasting Mark In The World Of Politics," The Dallas Morning News, 3/4/99)

In 1998, Barnes Was Accused Of Funneling $500,000 To Former Sales Manager Of Corporation Running Texas Lottery. "The former national sales manager for Gtech Holdings Corp., which operates the Texas lottery, was sentenced to 63 months in federal prison Thursday for stealing from the company. …His sentencing two years after his conviction was delayed by a controversy over information released by prosecutors linking him and former Texas Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes to a similar kickback scheme. In a sentencing memo in the Smith case, New Jersey prosecutors alleged that Mr. Barnes, then Gtech's chief Texas lobbyist, funneled $500,000 to Mr. Smith. The memo containing the allegations was posted on the Internet. Mr. Barnes denied that he had done anything wrong, and Judge Politan ordered prosecutors to apologize. In August, they acknowledged that they had disclosed secret information. Mr. Barnes said at the time that the money he gave Mr. Smith was for work not connected to the lottery. Mr. Barnes has never been charged with wrongdoing in connection with the allegation. Gtech bought out Mr. Barnes' contract for $23 million after Texas lottery commissioners questioned Gtech business practices." (George Kuempel, "Ex-Official For Gtech Sentenced," The Dallas Morning News, 10/9/98)

Investment Partnership With John Connally Went Bust In 1988 After Connally And Barnes Racked Up $200 Million In Debt. "He joined with his protégé Ben Barnes, the former lieutenant governor of Texas, to embark on the business of building offices and condominiums and shopping malls, borrowing millions of dollars on the strength of his famous name, arguably the most famous in the state. At the time, Connally's real estate and energy investments appeared to be solid. Oil was selling for $33 a barrel and seemed destined to go higher. Texas was on a roll and John Connally was riding the crest of an economic surge that was making millionaires overnight. But Connally's timing was off. The decline of Texas and the rest of the energy belt began in 1982, just about the time he and Barnes began their spending and borrowing spree in earnest, taking the big chances. Files for Bankruptcy. Five years later, after a fruitless struggle for economic survival, Connally admitted that betting big had been a mistake. On July 31 of last year, he filed for bankruptcy. At the time, he and Barnes owed creditors more than $200 million." (J. Michael Kennedy, "Symbol Of Troubled Texas," Los Angeles Times, 1/22/88)

[errand]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Say what you want about his service record....like Kerry's, it's got some flaws...



You call going AWOL a "flaw?"

Just like you call volunteering for Viet Nam, the silver star, the bronze star, and three purple hearts "flaws" I suppose.

The point was that both sides have question what really happened 35 years ago dipstick.....but since you wanna argue -

No proof he went AWOL...if there were any real evidence of it, your boys would have to manufacture any, now would they?

Kerry's medals he won were questionable, odd, but all he'd have to do to shut up all this talk of his "Purple Hearts" is pull a Forrest Gump and drop trou and show us that shrapnel he's supposedly carrying (or release his medical records)....oh and amazingly how a woman's underwire bra will set off metal detectors...but Kerry's shrapnel filled body hasn't.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Your(sic) nothing but a spammer who posts this ****

There goes another familiar ditto monkey circular argument, i.e., "spam" is defined as "facts which expose BushCorp incompetence, impropriety, or criminality."

and he's leading in damn near every poll out there over your war hero John Kerry.

Another exaggeration. Polls change everyday. Fact: the monkey got the worst bounce from his convention than any other repig president ever.

We get it dude, your pissed that your life is crap....

We get it that, like most repugs, you have no social conscience and that your mindset is "I got mine, so **** the record numbers of Americans who have lost their jobs/healthcare, etc., and are hurting because of the monkey's policies."

[errand]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

BTW, if you want to find out who really voted against all those weapons systems, just look at 5 Deferment Dick's record.

.....Congress votes for the money...not the Defense Secretary. And Senators are considered Congressmen are they not?

Oh, and John Kerry wants to be president, not Dick Cheney.