The Bush AWOL Meltdown

[watermock]

Lloyd Benson (D) has allready recanted.

Look, there is a letter that Bush wrote to go to Mass. This is a total non issue.

The damage is done. Texans for truth is hilarious. What mr. liberal doesn't understand is that it was never an issue, Kerry made it an issue.

They are throwing balls against the backstop.

[BroncoInferno]

I love how you call yourself an objectivist, Mock. You will swallow the kool-aid on anything Bush says. Please, prove me wrong by disagreeing with any three Bush policies. Name them. I'd love to be proven wrong here. It would please me greatly.

[Kaylore]

This actually is a meltdown. The Dems need to show that they aren't a party of the past. More of this, trying to make this election about what either candidate did thirty some-odd years ago, will indeed meltdown the campaign.

[TexanBob]

Senator Spitball is going to wage the dirtiest campaign ever seen. The proof is that he's brought in all the Clinton goons (Carville, Begala, Lockhart, etc.) to dirty up Bush since Kerry has nothing positive to run on.

Oh, and three things where I disagree with Bush:
* Signing Campaign Finance Reform (McCain's atrocity on free speech)
* Near-amnesty for illegal immigrants (no matter how they try to label it)
* Increased funding for the National Endowment For The Arts (so pricks like Michael Moore can spend more money bashing Bush).

Oh, you just want three? Ok, then I won't go into increased Medicare entitlements, airport security screeners, failing to back conservative GOP candidates that challenge Karl Rove's annointed, upping non-essential domestic spending while we're at war, etc. etc. etc.

I watched Bush govern Texas for six years prior to becoming president. All these lefties who try to portray him as "hard-right" "fundamentalist" "ultraconservative" yada-yada would say that of anyone who's to the right of Larry King. Makes me want to hurl. Bush is just to the right of "moderate" if you ask me.

[watermock]

I don't swallow, I don't spit either, I kick you in the balls.

Second, I don't take anything these clowns say seriously. With the 527's doing the dirty work, McCain is just about to shoot himelf in the head.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that McCain shot himself in the head with a custom 527 bullet.

You don't know what an objectivist is for one thing, why don't you explain it to me if you do.

I just have fun torturing the left and totally enjoy watching them squirm. Hey, you can't pull the wings off flies forever can you?

[watermock]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

I love how you call yourself an objectivist, Mock. You will swallow the kool-aid on anything Bush says. Please, prove me wrong by disagreeing with any three Bush policies. Name them. I'd love to be proven wrong here. It would please me greatly.

What policy do you want me to dissagree with?

Right to life?

Lower Taxes?

Kill the enemy?

Make teachers accountable?

Limited liability so I am not scared to treat someone in shock in a disaster, or let a doctor do the best he can in an emergency?

The right to defend my property against thugs with a deadly weapon?

Want to develop as much oil/coal/gas/nuclear reserves as possible?

Yeah, I am real radical nazi.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

Senator Spitball is going to wage the dirtiest campaign ever seen. The proof is that he's brought in all the Clinton goons (Carville, Begala, Lockhart, etc.) to dirty up Bush since Kerry has nothing positive to run on.

Oh, and three things where I disagree with Bush:
* Signing Campaign Finance Reform (McCain's atrocity on free speech)
* Near-amnesty for illegal immigrants (no matter how they try to label it)
* Increased funding for the National Endowment For The Arts (so pricks like Michael Moore can spend more money bashing Bush).

Oh, you just want three? Ok, then I won't go into increased Medicare entitlements, airport security screeners, failing to back conservative GOP candidates that challenge Karl Rove's annointed, upping non-essential domestic spending while we're at war, etc. etc. etc.

I watched Bush govern Texas for six years prior to becoming president. All these lefties who try to portray him as "hard-right" "fundamentalist" "ultraconservative" yada-yada would say that of anyone who's to the right of Larry King. Makes me want to hurl. Bush is just to the right of "moderate" if you ask me.

I wasn't speaking to you specifically, TexanBob, but to Mock. I'm glad to see you're questioning the status quo, even if you ultimately want them in power. As long as someone is thinking, I would never question their vote.

Originally Posted by watermock

I don't swallow, I don't spit either, I kick you in the balls.

Second, I don't take anything these clowns say seriously. With the 527's doing the dirty work, McCain is just about to shoot himelf in the head.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that McCain shot himself in the head with a custom 527 bullet.

You don't know what an objectivist is for one thing, why don't you explain it to me if you do.

I just have fun torturing the left and totally enjoy watching them squirm. Hey, you can't pull the wings off flies forever can you?

Thanks for clearly setting out what issues you disagreed with Bush on, Mock. Good answer. Or good dodge, better yet.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by watermock

What policy do you want me to dissagree with?

Right to life?

Lower Taxes?

Kill the enemy?

Make teachers accountable?

Limited liability so I am not scared to treat someone in shock in a disaster, or let a doctor do the best he can in an emergency?

The right to defend my property against thugs with a deadly weapon?

Want to develop as much oil/coal/gas/nuclear reserves as possible?

Yeah, I am real radical nazi.

You answered my question the way I suspected you would, Mock. Thanks for showing me what an objective person you are. You clearly have no political bias.

[watermock]

I'm not responsible for any of my stands. I stand on the milk carton the peeping tom used to watch me and the ex screw with.

My cat went up to the window and the clown fell off the milk carton, I went out and chased the guy back to his beemer and throttled him.

This guy was watching me screw my wife thru a window and my cat caught him. so I am throttling him in my underear. That was a classic. I slapped him twice and let him go in his Beemer. It was damn funny actually. I think he broke his leg when I gave Carol "the move", and he fell off the milk box.

This is a true story. That's why I have a watch cat. Rodaise was a beautifull cat. Grey Persian Calico.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Memos Show Bush Suspended From Flying

Suspended from the champagne unit his daddy and Ben Barnes pulled strings to get him into so he could avoid Viet Nam.

And this silver spoonfed punk has the audacity to disrespect a decorated Viet Nam vet?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=544&ncid=716

WASHINGTON - The White House released memos Wednesday night saying that George W. Bush was suspended from flying fighter jets for failing to meet standards of the Texas Air National Guard.

The Vietnam-era memos add new dimensions to the bare-bones explanation of Bush's aides over the years that he was suspended simply because he decided to skip his annual physical exam.

[orinjkrush]

the weird thing for me is that F-102s were STRICTLY used for Air Defense. If he flew only them the closest he would have come to Nam was Alaska. So, it's like he was protected with several layers from doing any SE Asia time: Spendin a year in UPT;Being assigned to the Guard; Flying Delta Darts.

Just goes to show: one class of people in this country has a different set of laws then the rest of us.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by watermock

I'm not responsible for any of my stands. I stand on the milk carton the peeping tom used to watch me and the ex screw with.

My cat went up to the window and the clown fell off the milk carton, I went out and chased the guy back to his beemer and throttled him.

This guy was watching me screw my wife thru a window and my cat caught him. so I am throttling him in my underear. That was a classic. I slapped him twice and let him go in his Beemer. It was damn funny actually. I think he broke his leg when I gave Carol "the move", and he fell off the milk box.

This is a true story. That's why I have a watch cat. Rodaise was a beautifull cat. Grey Persian Calico.

This is why I don't give a damn about Mock's politics - it's the whacked out stories of "Mockworld" that I appreciate.

They should be gathered up in a comic book. R. Crumb should do the artwork.

[Southern Bronco]

[QUOTE=orinjkrush]the weird thing for me is that F-102s were STRICTLY used for Air Defense. If he flew only them the closest he would have come to Nam was Alaska. So, it's like he was protected with several layers from doing any SE Asia time: Spendin a year in UPT;Being assigned to the Guard; Flying Delta Darts.QUOTE]

Your argument would be a good one except that Bush's squadron WAS in Viet Nam when he signed up.

[bendog]

[QUOTE=Southern Bronco]

Originally Posted by orinjkrush

the weird thing for me is that F-102s were STRICTLY used for Air Defense. If he flew only them the closest he would have come to Nam was Alaska. So, it's like he was protected with several layers from doing any SE Asia time: Spendin a year in UPT;Being assigned to the Guard; Flying Delta Darts.QUOTE]

Your argument would be a good one except that Bush's squadron WAS in Viet Nam when he signed up.

I thought the deal is some of the guys were "culled out" and transitioned either to other planes or other outfits. Don't really recall. Bush took the easy way out for rich kids. Kerry volunteered, maybe to build a resume I don't know, and did his damdest to get out of there while still meeting his duty. I really don't see that it's that big an issue. Bush tried initially to run as the war President former fighter jock, but he got hammered on that ploy with both the casualties and smear over his "easy" duty 30years ago. Kerry tried to run like JFK, but got hammered by a smear campaign.

Nothing about this tells us whether BushII deserves a rehire or whether Kerry has anything to offer.

[shakenbake]

One way to look at is, atleast Bush has released his Military records for all to see. I think both canidates shoule release their records. Unless of course Kerry is scared to do so because he knows he has something to hide.

[Nick C.]

Originally Posted by watermock

I'm not responsible for any of my stands. I stand on the milk carton the peeping tom used to watch me and the ex screw with.

My cat went up to the window and the clown fell off the milk carton, I went out and chased the guy back to his beemer and throttled him.

This guy was watching me screw my wife thru a window and my cat caught him. so I am throttling him in my underear. That was a classic. I slapped him twice and let him go in his Beemer. It was damn funny actually. I think he broke his leg when I gave Carol "the move", and he fell off the milk box.

This is a true story. That's why I have a watch cat. Rodaise was a beautifull cat. Grey Persian Calico.

this is the same as LA Broncos fan posting picture after picture.

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by watermock

I'm not responsible for any of my stands. I stand on the milk carton the peeping tom used to watch me and the ex screw with.

My cat went up to the window and the clown fell off the milk carton, I went out and chased the guy back to his beemer and throttled him.

This guy was watching me screw my wife thru a window and my cat caught him. so I am throttling him in my underear. That was a classic. I slapped him twice and let him go in his Beemer. It was damn funny actually. I think he broke his leg when I gave Carol "the move", and he fell off the milk box.

This is a true story. That's why I have a watch cat. Rodaise was a beautifull cat. Grey Persian Calico.

This is funny stuff. Let's define non-sequiter.

I don't think you can make this stuff up. "The Move"

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by Nick C.

this is the same as LA Broncos fan posting picture after picture.

This is much more entertaining.

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by shakenbake

One way to look at is, atleast Bush has released his Military records for all to see. I think both canidates shoule release their records. Unless of course Kerry is scared to do so because he knows he has something to hide.

Not true, Shakenbake. In fact, the records (memos) that were released after Barnes' appearance on 60 minutes last night should have been made available long ago under a FOIA request made, I believe, by the Washington Post... but were "lost" or otherwise "unavailable"....

A good question would be... why were they covered up? But then a quick look at those memos makes that obvious: they do not reflect well on Bush.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by shakenbake

One way to look at is, atleast Bush has released his Military records for all to see. I think both canidates shoule release their records. Unless of course Kerry is scared to do so because he knows he has something to hide.

Kerry has released all his military records unlike Bush as we are finding out.

"I can't explain why that wouldn't be in his record, but they were found in Jerry Killian's personal records," White House communications director Dan Bartlett told CBS's "60 Minutes II," which first obtained the memos.

The White House said in February that it had released all records of Bush's service, but one of Killian's memos stated it was "for record" and another directing Bush to take the physical exam stated that it was "for 1st Lt. George W. Bush."

[orinjkrush]

[QUOTE=Southern Bronco]

Originally Posted by orinjkrush

the weird thing for me is that F-102s were STRICTLY used for Air Defense. If he flew only them the closest he would have come to Nam was Alaska. So, it's like he was protected with several layers from doing any SE Asia time: Spendin a year in UPT;Being assigned to the Guard; Flying Delta Darts.QUOTE]

Your argument would be a good one except that Bush's squadron WAS in Viet Nam when he signed up.

ok, i'll accept what you say, 'cause i'm not really sure on it, 'cept it doesn't square with anything i saw in 26 years in the USAF. knew tons of 102 and 106 drivers. their mission was always air defense. and CONUS. was usually the F-4, F-105, C-130, F-101, F-100, Sandy's and some other a/c that pulled the SE tours. regardless of guard, active or reserve

[azbronco]

Originally Posted by bendog

I thought the deal is some of the guys were "culled out" and transitioned either to other planes or other outfits. Don't really recall. Bush took the easy way out for rich kids. Kerry volunteered, maybe to build a resume I don't know, and did his damdest to get out of there while still meeting his duty. I really don't see that it's that big an issue. Bush tried initially to run as the war President former fighter jock, but he got hammered on that ploy with both the casualties and smear over his "easy" duty 30years ago. Kerry tried to run like JFK, but got hammered by a smear campaign.

Nothing about this tells us whether BushII deserves a rehire or whether Kerry has anything to offer.

It was my understanding that Kerry was drafted-not volunteered.

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by azbronco

It was my understanding that Kerry was drafted-not volunteered.

Everything I've read says he enlisted. Perhaps the enlistment was so that he could choose which branch of service he'd serve in, but I don't believe for a second that he would not have been successful at evading service had he chosen that route.

[bendog]

? I've never heard that.

The gig was back then, IF you had the connections you could go guard, or like WJC get some better gig. If you had the grades but no rich parents, and knew you were facing draft, you enlisted in the Navy or the AF. The Navy was preferrable from safety. If you were a dumb ****e football player, you were fkced.

Kerry enlisted in the Navy in his Sr year at Yale (oh the irony with BushII, here) But, with the middle name Forbes, Kerry had the connections to go guard or even better all together. (see London, protest, smoke but don't inhale) Kerry signed on to little boats before they became so very, very lethal to their crews. So, was he brave, or was he just trying to get military service on his "resume?" Uncertain. Similary, was Gore signing on to keep some other kid from his county in Tenn from getting drafted to the front lines cause Gore knew the army would never let him near combat with his Dad being who he was, or was he just trying to help Dad's fading re-election? Uncertain.

It seems rather irrelevant. But, I don't have any doubt that like every other young man I recall who came back, they were somehow changed. Gore was listless and unfocused. Kerry was angry.

biased site, but as I understand it a pretty fair summary of swifthsit

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/n...2004_0413.html

[Rohirrim]

Here's the story I heard according to one of Kerry's Yalie buddies: Some Under Secretary of the Navy (McFarlane or something?) went up to Yale and met with the upper class Yalies and told them that the President (LBJ) was concerned that Vietnam was becoming a middle class and below, kind of war. He asked these guys to support the President by enlisting. So, a bunch of them signed up. One of Kerry's best friends at Yale was a kid name Pershing (grandson of Blackjack Pershing).

Kerry got assigned to a frigate (I believe it was) and started his tour of duty. That ship ended up patrolling the waters off Vietnam (Kerry's 1st tour). One day, from the deck of the frigate, Kerry saw some of the Swiftboats docked at Cam Ranh Bay. At the time he wrote in his journal that he was tired of being an insignificant jg on a large ship and saw a chance to command his own boat. Plus, he rembered the PT boats that the hero of his youth (JFK) commanded. So he requested a transfer, went to training and returned to Vietnam.

By that time, he was already questioning the legitimacy of the war, but when his friend Pershing, got killed, that's when he turned against it whole hog. We all know the rest. When he got home, he was a very pissed off young man.

Spin away.