US Olympic Committee asks BushCo to Stop Running Ad

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ad Busted

More re: lying BushCo ad about Iraqi athletes.

The Swift Boat ads aren't the only ones causing controversy these days. The Bush-Cheney '04 re-election team has also been running ads that feature the Olympics. The ad in question features an announcer saying, "And this Olympics there will be two more free nations. And two fewer terrorist regimes."

Soon after the ad started running, the Iraqi soccer team asked Bush to stop running it - a player was quoted last week saying, "Iraq as a team does not want Mr. Bush to use us for the presidential campaign." But that wasn't enough to get him to stop.

Now, the US Olympic Committee has stepped into the fray and asked that Bush-Cheney '04 stop running the ad. The USOC and the International Olympic Committee have the final say on the use of anything involving the Olympics.

A spokesman for Bush-Cheney '04 said in response to the controversy over the Olympic ad, "We are on firm legal ground to mention the Olympics and make a factual point in a political advertisement."

Well, since the Olympic Committee has asked that the ads stop, maybe Bush-Cheney '04 can start making factual statements about their record over the last four years:

* 2,931,000 jobs lost in the private sector since Bush took office.
* 50 percent increase in out-of-pocket health care costs for workers since Bush took office
* . 37 percent increase in the unemployment rate since Bush took office.
* 11.5 percent increase in gas prices since 2000

and so on…..

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...rs/08/19/iraq/

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?cnn=yes

[Blueflame]

Meanwhile, at McCain's request, Kerry's pulling the ads featuring video footage of the 2002 Bush/McCain debate in which McCain rebukes Bush for the attacks on his military record.

[mosca]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Meanwhile, at McCain's request, Kerry's pulling the ads featuring video footage of the 2002 Bush/McCain debate in which McCain rebukes Bush for the attacks on his military record.

aww...at mccain's request. what a nice guy, that john kerry. i guess we should all vote for him now.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by mosca

aww...at mccain's request. what a nice guy, that john kerry. i guess we should all vote for him now.

Nah.

Voting for an inept idiot who has to lie and discredit his opponent's military record in order to deflect attention from issues of concern to ordinary Americans and from his own abhorrent record is clearly the more intelligent choice.

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by mosca

aww...at mccain's request. what a nice guy, that john kerry. i guess we should all vote for him now.

Guess he could have just (in essence) given McCain the finger like Bush is doing with the US Olympic Committee...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Guess he could have just (in essence) given McCain the finger like Bush is doing with the US Olympic Committee...

Or maybe Kerry should go knocking on doors in South Carolina and Massabama, asking "did you know John McCain has a black baby?"

That might motivate mosca to vote for him.

[Mile High Shack]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Ad Busted

More re: lying BushCo ad about Iraqi athletes.

The Swift Boat ads aren't the only ones causing controversy these days. The Bush-Cheney '04 re-election team has also been running ads that feature the Olympics. The ad in question features an announcer saying, "And this Olympics there will be two more free nations. And two fewer terrorist regimes."

Soon after the ad started running, the Iraqi soccer team asked Bush to stop running it - a player was quoted last week saying, "Iraq as a team does not want Mr. Bush to use us for the presidential campaign." But that wasn't enough to get him to stop.

Now, the US Olympic Committee has stepped into the fray and asked that Bush-Cheney '04 stop running the ad. The USOC and the International Olympic Committee have the final say on the use of anything involving the Olympics.

A spokesman for Bush-Cheney '04 said in response to the controversy over the Olympic ad, "We are on firm legal ground to mention the Olympics and make a factual point in a political advertisement."

Well, since the Olympic Committee has asked that the ads stop, maybe Bush-Cheney '04 can start making factual statements about their record over the last four years:

* 2,931,000 jobs lost in the private sector since Bush took office.
* 50 percent increase in out-of-pocket health care costs for workers since Bush took office
* . 37 percent increase in the unemployment rate since Bush took office.
* 11.5 percent increase in gas prices since 2000

and so on…..

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...rs/08/19/iraq/

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?cnn=yes

[mosca]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Guess he could have just (in essence) given McCain the finger like Bush is doing with the US Olympic Committee...

giving them the finger? nice spin. as if bush should stop these ads just because the USOC says so. i guess they have a the final say on whether or not factual statements can be used in ads.

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by mosca

giving them the finger? nice spin. as if bush should stop these ads just because the USOC says so. i guess they have a the final say on whether or not factual statements can be used in ads.

It's my understanding that the athletes who were featured objected to their images being used for a Bush political ad. It's no different than Kerry's McCain ad, except that Kerry pulled the ad when requested to; while Bush told 'em to Cheney themselves...

[watermock]

What a circle jerk.

First, McCain will be at the Convention.

Second, the Olympics is a Political Item?

God this is so funny. Why not worry about Alan Iverson and Larry Brown.

The Olympics and Bush.

Unbelievable.

LABF is so freakied out he's yapping about the swift boat disgrace on an olympic thead.

I can't stop laughing.

[mosca]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

It's my understanding that the athletes who were featured objected to their images being used for a Bush political ad. It's no different than Kerry's McCain ad, except that Kerry pulled the ad when requested to; while Bush told 'em to Cheney themselves...

i haven't seen the ad personally, and am just replying based on the article LABF originally posted. that article doesn't mention anything about the use of these images, simply the statement "And this Olympics there will be two more free nations. And two fewer terrorist regimes." does it in fact use footage or photos of the olympics?

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by mosca

i haven't seen the ad personally, and am just replying based on the article LABF originally posted. that article doesn't mention anything about the use of these images, simply the statement "And this Olympics there will be two more free nations. And two fewer terrorist regimes." does it in fact use footage or photos of the olympics?

The ad isn't running in my area either, Mosca... so since I haven't actually seen it either, I'll retract the word "images". Nonetheless, the gist of my post still stands...the Iraqi athletes have expressed reluctance to be associated with/used in a Bush campaign advertisement and his insistence on continuing to run the ads despite their objections and those of the USOC clearly shows a blatant disregard for the interests of anyone save himself. Kerry would be within his rights to do the same to McCain, but chose the high road instead.

[TomServo]

how do you spell ingrates? we spill our blood so they can have an olympic team without the torture. and they crap all over us. OK go ahead and rep. iraq like in the old days with the hussien (sp)bros.

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how do you spell ingrates? we spill our blood so they can have an olympic team without the torture.

Wrong on two counts:

First of all, the reason we "spill our blood" in Iraq has nothing to do with making sure Iraq is represented in the olympics. The blood of our troops is being shed so Gigglekill, VP GoFyourself, and their Halliburton/Carlyle cronies can gain control of Iraq's oil reserves and make billions of dollars from no-bid contracts and defense spending.

Second, the US is now doing the torture in Iraq (not to mention the killing of tens of thousands of innocent civilians who are getting in Halliburton's way.)

And you're really not so dumb as to believe that the Iraqis should be "grateful" for unwanted invaders and occupiers in their country, are you?

[mosca]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

And you're really not so dumb as to believe that the Iraqis should be "grateful" for unwanted invaders and occupiers in their country, are you?

i'm sure that countless numbers of them were pretty damn grateful for the 'invaders' when they toppled hussein's azz last year.

as for 'occupiers', nice mislead. if that's what you're still labelling the u.s. troops who are keeping the peace and providing some semblance of security for the current iraqi government, it sure shows what kind of warped perception of the world you have.

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by mosca

i'm sure that countless numbers of them were pretty damn grateful for the 'invaders' when they toppled hussein's azz last year.

as for 'occupiers', nice mislead. if that's what you're still labelling the u.s. troops who are keeping the peace and providing some semblance of security for the current iraqi government, it sure shows what kind of warped perception of the world you have.

Do we really know what Iraqis think? I'm not certain our media is circumspect enough to provide an accurate portrayal of the Scott Peterson and Kobe Bryant circuses, much less the opinions of the ordinary, everyday Iraqi....

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i'm sure that countless numbers of them were pretty damn grateful for the 'invaders' when they toppled hussein's azz last year.

If you believe this then you live in a world curiously untainted by facts and reality.

The vast majority of Iraqis don't want us in their country (which is why Americans are still getting killed in Iraq everyday--even though the Lying Sociopath declared "mission accomplished" more than a year ago.) If "countless numbers" of Iraqis welcomed our presense in their country then we wouldn't be approaching 1,000 Americans KIA.

You must be one of the Faux News dupes who still believes our troops were greeted with flowers just like Deserter Boy said they would be.

And while you're covering for BushCo, why don't you tell us how grateful the Iraqi people are for Abu Ghraib and similar cases of torture/rape/murder of innocent Iraqis by US forces? And do tell us how grateful the Iraqis are that tens of thousands of innocent civilians have been killed in the Bush/Halliburton invasion?
Tell us how grateful are the Iraqis that their country has been plunged into a hellish cauldron of violence, disorder and chaos with no end in sight.

as for 'occupiers', nice mislead. if that's what you're still labelling the u.s. troops who are keeping the peace and providing some semblance of security for the current iraqi government

Use of the word "occupiers" is not labeling--it's simply "calling a spade a spade."

The Iraqis didn't invite us into their country. The religiously insane drunkard whose flank you are covering ordered a pre-emptive invasion of their country--an invasion whose justifications have all turned out to be lies and distortions.

And there would be no need to "keep the peace" if Deserter Boy had not declared war.
Hence, your argument is circular.

The Smirking Sociopath invaded a sovereign nation for no other reason than to enrich his cronies and his crime family.

It's too bad BushCo boot lickers like you didn't learn the lessons of Viet Nam, i.e., that an occupied people will fight to the last man to expel the invaders from their homeland.

it sure shows what kind of warped perception of the world you have.

Oh, the irony.

[Rock Chalk]

You know Blue, I agree with you about our media and them being suspect. But other media outlets outside the US (the BBC for example) have conducted polls and done interviews about the perceptions of the Iraqi people and America and most were grateful to the US.

Of course there will be dissenters. There are dissenters in EVERYTHING. There isn't a single thing in the world that everyone can agree upon except that we all die eventually. That being said, MOST of the support is for the US's topple of addam. I cant say one way or the other about current US security forces in the country because I haven't looked but as to the former, Im more certain the Iraqi are grateful than upset.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

But other media outlets outside the US (the BBC for example) have conducted polls and done interviews about the perceptions of the Iraqi people and America and most were grateful to the US.

Most of the polls have indicated that >80% don't want us there.

[mosca]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

The vast majority of Iraqis don't want us in their country (which is why Americans are still getting killed in Iraq everyday--even though the Lying Sociopath declared "mission accomplished" more than a year ago.) If "countless numbers" of Iraqis welcomed our presense in their country then we wouldn't be approaching 1,000 Americans KIA.

wrong. simply because close to 1,000 american soldiers have been killed in iraq by native insurgents and foreign terrorists does not disprove that there are iraqis who were grateful for our ousting saddamn, which is what i addressed in my last post, -not- our continuing presence there.

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

It's too bad BushCo boot lickers like you didn't learn the lessons of Viet Nam, i.e., that an occupied people will fight to the last man to expel the invaders from their homeland.

real original. still comparing the iraq situation to the one in vietnam, regardless of how different they may be. once again, stop living in the past and get in touch with reality.

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by AlecRaenos

You know Blue, I agree with you about our media and them being suspect. But other media outlets outside the US (the BBC for example) have conducted polls and done interviews about the perceptions of the Iraqi people and America and most were grateful to the US.

Of course there will be dissenters. There are dissenters in EVERYTHING. There isn't a single thing in the world that everyone can agree upon except that we all die eventually. That being said, MOST of the support is for the US's topple of addam. I cant say one way or the other about current US security forces in the country because I haven't looked but as to the former, Im more certain the Iraqi are grateful than upset.

Do you realize how much media Rupert Murdoch controls worldwide, Alec? Fix News is just a miniscule fraction of the manipulated media he owns.

Again, I'll state that I don't think average Americans have the slightest clue what the ordinary Iraqi wants...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

wrong. simply because close to 1,000 american soldiers have been killed in iraq by native insurgents and foreign terrorists does not disprove that there are iraqis who were grateful for our ousting saddamn, which is what i addressed in my last post, -not- our continuing presence there.

But you said "countless numbers" of Iraqis were "grateful" to us.

And you seem to imply that whatever "gratitude" Iraqis feel re: Saddam's ouster somehow offsets all the destruction we have wrought there and the immoral/dishonest pretext for the invasion.

still comparing the iraq situation to the one in vietnam, regardless of how different they may be. once again, stop living in the past and get in touch with reality.

If you don't see the similarities then you really need to get your history straight.

once again, stop living in the past and get in touch with reality.

Perhaps you should stop commenting on the past, i.e., Viet Nam, when it's obvious you know nothing about it.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by AlecRaenos

I cant say one way or the other about current US security forces in the country because I haven't looked but as to the former, Im more certain the Iraqi are grateful than upset.

Not according to your own right-wing press.

Poll: Iraqis out of patience

BAGHDAD — Only a third of the Iraqi people now believe that the American-led occupation of their country is doing more good than harm, and a solid majority support an immediate military pullout even though they fear that could put them in greater danger, according to a new USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll.

...while they acknowledge benefits from dumping Saddam a year ago, Iraqis no longer see the presence of the American-led military as a plus. Asked whether they view the U.S.-led coalition as "liberators" or "occupiers," 71% of all respondents say "occupiers."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...ll-cover_x.htm

Note: USA Today is a conservative-leaning source.

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Poll of Iraqis Reveals Anger Toward U.S.

A poll of Iraqis commissioned by the U.S.-governing authority has provided the Bush administration a stark picture of anti-American sentiment - more than half of Iraqis believe they would be safer if U.S. troops simply left.

The poll, commissioned by the Coalition Provisional Authority last month but not released to the American public, also found radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr is surging in popularity, 92 percent of Iraqis consider the United States an occupying force and more than half believe all Americans behave like those portrayed in the Abu Ghraib prison abuse photos.

The Associated Press obtained a copy of a multimedia presentation about the poll that was shown to U.S. officials involved in developing Iraq policy. Several officials said in interviews the results reinforced feelings that the transfer of power and security responsibilities to the Iraqis can't come too soon.

"If you are sitting here as part of the coalition, it (the poll) is pretty grim," said Donald Hamilton, a career foreign service officer who is working for Ambassador Paul Bremer's interim government and helps oversee the CPA's polling of Iraqis.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040616/D837QRA00.html

http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=5396

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Poll: Iraqis want immediate U.S. pullout

Only one-third say occupation is doing more good than harm

http://www.detnews.com/2004/nation/0...a05-137477.htm

Grim Numbers

A U.S.-sponsored poll shows Iraqis have lost confidence in the occupying authorities—and that the majority of Iraqis want Coalition troops out of the country

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5217874/site/newsweek/

June 15 - The first survey of Iraqis sponsored by the U.S. Coalition Provisional Authority after the Abu Ghraib prison scandal shows that most say they would feel safer if Coalition forces left immediately, without even waiting for elections scheduled for next year. An overwhelming majority, about 80 percent, also say they have “no confidence” in either the U.S. civilian authorities or Coalition forces.

Sixty-seven percent of those surveyed also said they believed violent attacks have increased around the country because “people have lost faith in the Coalition forces.”

The poll numbers were reflected in the anger seen in the streets of Baghdad after a series of car bombings on Monday. While U.S forces and Iraqi police hung back, crowds set some of the vehicles on fire, threw bricks and shouted insults at U.S. soldiers. According to the poll, a mere 1 percent of Iraqis now feel that the Coalition forces contribute most to their sense of security; only 18 percent described Iraqi police the same way. By contrast, a total of 71 percent said they depended mostly on their family and friends and neighbors for security.