One of the swift Boat guys against Kerry retracts statement

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by Exile_In_SJ

I disagree, Drudge is more accurate than not. And to compare him to Bartcop is ludicrous. Drudge often reports on things that put republicans in a bad light. Bartcop is just an anti republican site.

It clearly states on Bartcop's website that it's a political humor site. But as LABF stated regarding commondreams.org,, 2+2 does not cease to equal 4 just because that information was posted on Bartcop's website.

[Exile_In_SJ]

neither Bartcop nor moveon.org say anything bad or inimical to Democrats unless they aren't left wing enough.

Drudge is different, he posts things that are often bad for republicans and Bush. That's called credibility.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Exile_In_SJ

neither Bartcop nor moveon.org say anything bad or inimical to Democrats unless they aren't left wing enough.

Drudge is different, he posts things that are often bad for republicans and Bush. That's called credibility.

thats a good one .........

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by Exile_In_SJ

neither Bartcop nor moveon.org say anything bad or inimical to Democrats unless they aren't left wing enough.

Drudge is different, he posts things that are often bad for republicans and Bush. That's called credibility.

Drudge also posts stuff that is totally fabricated and that's called "lack of credibility"....

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Drudge also posts stuff that is totally fabricated and that's called "lack of credibility"....

It's all hushed up by the liberal media.

[Exile_In_SJ]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

It clearly states on Bartcop's website that it's a political humor site. But as LABF stated regarding commondreams.org,, 2+2 does not cease to equal 4 just because that information was posted on Bartcop's website.

nor does 2 + 2 cease to equal 4 because it appeared on Drudge as some imply here.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Exile_In_SJ

Many of the swift boat guys were eye witnesses also. They commanded boats in the same squadrons and went on many missions with Kerry's boat.

And, some of the swift boat guys are also Democrats.

You don't have to be on the same boat to have seen what happened.

I think that their hatred for what Kerry said after the war has effected not only their Judgment , but also Clouded their Memory ...........
They are willing to sacrafice their integrity , to get Kerry ...........

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by Exile_In_SJ

Many of the swift boat guys were eye witnesses also. They commanded boats in the same squadrons and went on many missions with Kerry's boat.

And, some of the swift boat guys are also Democrats.

You don't have to be on the same boat to have seen what happened.

Why haven't they been on record with their "eyewitness reports" until now? I mean, this isn't something new. Kerry's been called a war-hero throughtout his senate career, and most of the men on his boat have been on record for a long time in calling him such. Where were they then to give this contradictory account? It's all highly suspicious. For now, I'm going with the guys who we know for certain witnessed the events (men who were actually on the boat) and have been on record for years about what happened. If some concrete evidence ever comes forward that can prove what the swiftboat.com guys say, then fine. Until then, I'll look on them with a suspicious eye considering the timing of this.

[Exile_In_SJ]

They didn't decide to act and raise money until it was clear that Kerry would be the candidate. They began in May to raise the money and organize. Timing isn't a problem.

A witness on a boat alongside is just as valid as one on the same boat, oftentimes better because they are set back and can see the wholepicture.

Plus the doctor who treated Kerry for one of his 'wounds' questions it.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

I think that their hatred for what Kerry said after the war has effected not only their Judgment , but also Clouded their Memory ...........
They are willing to sacrafice their integrity , to get Kerry ...........

Good point, spider. Hatred can not only cloud memories, but even inspire an outright distortion of the truth.

[Exile_In_SJ]

I think they are upholding their integrity by doing this, defending veterans everywhere against what Kerry did after the war. Casting aspersions and impugning all veterans without ever offering proof of what he accused... No eyewitnesses, nothing..

Yet here some of these guys were eyewitnesses to what Kerry did.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Exile_In_SJ

I think they are upholding their integrity by doing this, defending veterans everywhere against what Kerry did after the war. Casting aspersions and impugning all veterans without ever offering proof of what he accused... No eyewitnesses, nothing..

Yet here some of these guys were eyewitnesses to what Kerry did.

Like the Doctor ?
He didnt even sign Kerrys medical record ..............
George Elliott is now back peddaling from his original Charge .........
See the others Stated I served with Kerry ......... Not I served in the mekong Delta the same as Kerry and we have a different account of the events on our boats .......
Naw that Ad was misleading on purpose ........

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by Exile_In_SJ

I think they are upholding their integrity by doing this, defending veterans everywhere against what Kerry did after the war. Casting aspersions and impugning all veterans without ever offering proof of what he accused... No eyewitnesses, nothing..

Yet here some of these guys were eyewitnesses to what Kerry did.

Where's the "proof" in the supposed eyewitness accounts from the switfboat.com guys? I haven't read or heard them offer any.

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Like the Doctor ?
He didnt even sign Kerrys medical record ..............
George Elliott is now back peddaling from his original Charge .........
See the others Stated I served with Kerry ......... Not I served in the mekong Delta the same as Kerry and we have a different account of the events on our boats .......
Naw that Ad was misleading on purpose ........

I agree... the ad was deliberately misleading and all the "talking heads" on Fix News "ran with" the exaggerations, reporting as established fact the idea that the Swiftvets were "the guys who knew Kerry best"...

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

I agree... the ad was deliberately misleading and all the "talking heads" on Fix News "ran with" the exaggerations, reporting as established fact the idea that the Swiftvets were "the guys who knew Kerry best"...

In defense of Fox, O'Reilly did call the ads disgusting and said that Bush should come out against them immediately.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

I agree... the ad was deliberately misleading and all the "talking heads" on Fix News "ran with" the exaggerations, reporting as established fact the idea that the Swiftvets were "the guys who knew Kerry best"...

I do enjoy watching the right spin this though ........ Whats realy funny is Exile telling me Clinton was impeached for lying , and here he is scrambling to defend this ........ I havent had the heart to tell him who helped in making this ad .........

[football idiot]

let's look at this crap another way.

say you're an old Vietnam vet, who got shat upon and mistreated because of Kerry's Senate testimony and anti-war protesting.

say you actually served with the guy.

you're bored, life started rough (Nam), and you came back to a different country that treated you like a war criminal.

30 years later, not much going on in your life, some guy running for president wants to drag you around the country for photo-ops, make you a mini-celebrity, put you up in nice hotels and basically give you a free tour of the country, just for saying how great he was on that tiny boat back in hell you served on together for a couple months...

well hell, sounds like a good time.......

now say you're one of the hundreds of guys running the other boats. unlike this prick, you served your country, came home, and lived a decent life. you didn't slander all your fellow soldiers, you didn't try to make a name for yourself by joining the zealous anti-War movement, you didn't run around calling people baby-killers, rapists, or murderers. now this same idjit, who your division shipped home as quick as they could, is rolling around calling himself a hero, and running for president no less. you remember the stupid crap he pulled when he was in charge of the boat next to you. you remember him taking a video-camera and re-enacting his heroic accomplishments, (yeah, I'm sure his re-enactments and account of what happened were not embellished in the least). you remember his mug on all these posters telling your fellow citizens how evil you are for serving in the war. and now he's pretending he's a war hero for catching a few VERY MINOR wounds that most of you and your crew didn't even file reports on, so he could collect some hardware and go home early.

yeah. i'm voting THAT GUY for president.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by football idiot

let's look at this crap another way.

say you're an old Vietnam vet, who got shat upon and mistreated because of Kerry's Senate testimony and anti-war protesting.

say you actually served with the guy.

you're bored, life started rough (Nam), and you came back to a different country that treated you like a war criminal.

30 years later, not much going on in your life, some guy running for president wants to drag you around the country for photo-ops, make you a mini-celebrity, put you up in nice hotels and basically give you a free tour of the country, just for saying how great he was on that tiny boat back in hell you served on together for a couple months...

well hell, sounds like a good time.......

now say you're one of the hundreds of guys running the other boats. unlike this prick, you served your country, came home, and lived a decent life. you didn't slander all your fellow soldiers, you didn't try to make a name for yourself by joining the zealous anti-War movement, you didn't run around calling people baby-killers, rapists, or murderers. now this same idjit, who your division shipped home as quick as they could, is rolling around calling himself a hero, and running for president no less. you remember the stupid crap he pulled when he was in charge of the boat next to you. you remember him taking a video-camera and re-enacting his heroic accomplishments, (yeah, I'm sure his re-enactments and account of what happened were not embellished in the least). you remember his mug on all these posters telling your fellow citizens how evil you are for serving in the war. and now he's pretending he's a war hero for catching a few VERY MINOR wounds that most of you and your crew didn't even file reports on, so he could collect some hardware and go home early.

yeah. i'm voting THAT GUY for president.

What a Load of Crap .........

[Spider]

And you still didnt answer the Claim that George Elliot admitted he lied .........
you just spewed Propaganda crap and you dont even know if what you spewed is the truth

[Northman]

Originally Posted by rascal

At this point i'm sick and tired of all these attacks by both sides and the hypocrisy spewing from their mouths. Just put them in a room let them fight it out, and whoever wins is the President.

At this point I just don't really give a damn. It makes me sad that this is the state of our nation and how it is tearing us apart. Here we are being attacked from external threats and we are letting our bickering and hatred of other opinions destroy us from within and weaken us to external attacks. This is exactly what happened to the Romans. Don't believe me, try reading a history book.

Have a good weekend and try not to kill somebody from the "other party". This is sickening.

rep, i agree whole heartedly.

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

I do enjoy watching the right spin this though ........ Whats realy funny is Exile telling me Clinton was impeached for lying , and here he is scrambling to defend this ........ I havent had the heart to tell him who helped in making this ad .........

No doubt... O'Neill attacking Kerry is nothing new; he's been at it for 30+ years... since he was recruited for that purpose by the Nixon administration.

[Exile_In_SJ]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

I do enjoy watching the right spin this though ........ Whats realy funny is Exile telling me Clinton was impeached for lying , and here he is scrambling to defend this ........ I havent had the heart to tell him who helped in making this ad .........

how dumb are you spider? Clinton was impeached for lying.

[Northman]

Originally Posted by Exile_In_SJ

I don't doubt they're accurate, he's pretty good on straight news.

you cant be serious?

[Exile_In_SJ]

in an attempt to educate you spider, thugh obviously it might not be possible, here is the story about Clinton... with a link....

House Approves Articles Alleging Perjury, Obstruction
By Peter Baker and Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, December 20, 1998; Page A1

The House of Representatives impeached the president of the United States yesterday for only the second time in American history, charging William Jefferson Clinton with "high crimes and misdemeanors" for lying under oath and obstructing justice to cover up an Oval Office affair with a young intern.

At 1:25 p.m. on a day of constitutional drama and personal trauma, the Republican-led House voted 228 to 206 largely along party lines to approve the first article of impeachment accusing the Democratic president of perjury before a grand jury. Within the hour, lawmakers went on to pass another article alleging he tampered with witnesses and helped hide evidence, but rejected two other articles on perjury and abuse of power.

A solemn, all-Republican delegation led by Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry J. Hyde (R-Ill.) then marched across the Capitol to formally deliver the articles of impeachment to the secretary of the Senate, triggering what promises to be a trial like no other to determine whether the 42nd president will be removed from office. At the same time, scores of restive House Democrats piled into buses to drive up Pennsylvania Avenue and rally around their embattled leader at the White House.

now the link...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...each122098.htm


okay, just so you'll be able to understand, I'll type slow... Clinton was impeached for lying under oath, otherwise known as perjury...you've been educated, wether you have the ability to learn is another question.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Exile_In_SJ

how dumb are you spider? Clinton was impeached for lying.

Dumb enough to see you making Excuses for these Swiftboat guys
Clinton was impeached over a BJ ..........