McCain Knows One When He Sees One

[Rohirrim]

McCain deplores anti-Kerry ad
Republican senator urges Bush to repudiate itThe Associated Press
Updated: 11:37 a.m. ET Aug. 5, 2004WASHINGTON - Republican Sen. John McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called an ad criticizing John Kerry’s military service “dishonest and dishonorable” and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well.

“It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me,” McCain said in an interview with The Associated Press, referring to his bitter Republican primary fight with President Bush.

The 60-second ad features Vietnam veterans who accuse the Democratic presidential nominee of lying about his decorated Vietnam War record and betraying his fellow veterans by later opposing the conflict.

“When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry,” one of the veterans, Larry Thurlow, says in the ad.

The ad, scheduled to air in a few markets in Ohio, West Virginia and Wisconsin, was produced by Stevens, Reed, Curcio and Potham, the same team that produced McCain’s ads in 2000.

“I wish they hadn’t done it,” McCain said of his former advisers. “I don’t know if they knew all the facts.”

Asked if the White House knew about the ad or helped find financing for it, McCain said, “I hope not, but I don’t know. But I think the Bush campaign should specifically condemn the ad.”

Later, McCain said the Bush campaign has denied any involvement and added, “I can’t believe the president would pull such a cheap stunt.”

The White House did not immediately address McCain’s call that they repudiate the spot.

Steve Schmidt, a spokesman for the Bush-Cheney campaign, said Kerry’s record and statements on the war on terrorism — not his service in Vietnam — are fair game. “The Bush campaign never has and will never question John Kerry’s service in Vietnam,” he said.

In 2000, Bush’s supporters sponsored a rumor campaign against McCain in the South Carolina primary, helping Bush win the primary and the nomination. McCain’s supporters have never forgiven the Bush team.



McCain said that’s all in the past to him, but he’s speaking out against the anti-Kerry ad because he believes it’s bad for the political system. “It reopens all the old wounds of the Vietnam War, which I spent the last 35 years trying to heal,” he said.

“I deplore this kind of politics. I think the ad is dishonest and dishonorable. As it is, none of these individuals served on the boat (Kerry) commanded. Many of his crew have testified to his courage under fire. I think John Kerry served honorably in Vietnam. I think George Bush served honorably in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War.”

McCain himself spent more than five years in a Vietnam prisoner of war camp. A bona fide war hero, McCain, like Kerry, used his war record as the foundation of his presidential campaign.

The Kerry campaign has denounced the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, saying none of the men in the ad served on the boat that Kerry commanded. The leader of the group, retired Adm. Roy Hoffmann, said none of the 13 veterans in the commercial served on Kerry’s boat but rather were in other swiftboats within 50 yards of Kerry’s.

Jim Rassmann, an Army veteran who was saved by Kerry, said there were only six crewmates who served with Kerry on his boat. Five support his candidacy and one is deceased.

[watermock]

I told you all hell was going to break loose.

I don't care what McCain says. He has wrapped himself in the flag as well, and he wasn't on the swift boats. And as far as not being on the same boat, your kidding me. He's allready posturing for 2008 and sees this as a bad precident. Reality.

One treated him and another was his gunner 5 feet away.

[Exile_In_SJ]

Hey, McCain is entitled to his opinion, just as the Swift boat guys are to theirs. Heinz-Kerry opened the door for this by constantly using his Viet Nam service. If others don't see it the way he sees it and wish to say somethin, it's their right.

[watermock]

In 2000, Bush’s supporters sponsored a rumor campaign against McCain in the South Carolina primary, helping Bush win the primary and the nomination. McCain’s supporters have never forgiven the Bush team.



McCain said that’s all in the past to him, but he’s speaking out against the anti-Kerry ad because he believes it’s bad for the political system. “It reopens all the old wounds of the Vietnam War, which I spent the last 35 years trying to heal,” he said.

Blah Blah Blah. So what. All McCain had to do was show that Bush was lying. He couldn't. And Kerry can't either.

The point remains that Kerry made it a cornerstone of his campaign.

[Exile_In_SJ]

Heinz-Kerry constantly points out his service. He brought the scrutiny on himself. If he can't take the criticism, maybe he shouldn't be running. You don't see Bush complaining about all the whacko stuff moveon.org does, nor the fantasies Michael Moore puts out there.

[watermock]

Canadian Bacon. I watched that comedy and had no clue it was written by Michael Moore. It was pretty funny.

So moving from comedy to docudrama was the next step. How amusing.

[Captain_Poncho]

Originally Posted by Exile_In_SJ

Hey, McCain is entitled to his opinion, just as the Swift boat guys are to theirs. Heinz-Kerry opened the door for this by constantly using his Viet Nam service. If others don't see it the way he sees it and wish to say somethin, it's their right.

Rep!

[Hogan11]

Originally Posted by watermock

Canadian Bacon. I watched that comedy and had no clue it was written by Michael Moore. It was pretty funny.

So moving from comedy to docudrama was the next step. How amusing.

Wrong....he moved from docudrama to comedy and then back to docudrama once again.

[watermock]

Docudrama to Comedy back to Docudarama again.

Well that make's him legitimate. WTF are you on.

Your dancing betwen comedy and docudrama?

Sit down and shut up, your made.

What part of this conversation don't you understand?

[Hogan11]

Originally Posted by watermock

Docudrama to Comedy back to Docudarama again.

Well that make's him legitimate. WTF are you on.

Your dancing betwen comedy and docudrama?

Sit down and shut up, you made.

Just keepin you honest Mock...like the Rudy for Pres. guys, you gotta do your homework on the backgrounds before you make statements like that.

Your statement was innaccurate, I made the correction....whether you throw a tantrum about that or say thank you for it, I really don't care.

[watermock]

So you want to admit he is in docudrama once again?

This is so funny!

Or is it just Comedy that had the French slapping their thighs like Jerry Lewis?

C'mon.

Tell me buddy boy. the French knew it was what. Comedy, Docudrama or Documentary?

Canadian Bacon was presented as a comedy. But that was TV Guide.

[watermock]

Originally Posted by Hogan11

Just keepin you honest Mock...like the Rudy for Pres. guys, you gotta do your homework on the backgrounds before you make statements like that.

Your statement was innaccurate, I made the correction....whether you throw a tantrum about that or say thank you for it, I really don't care.

What a bunch of bullcrap. I have never talked about Rudi for president so please. Stop you dimwit. WTF are you talking about?

I was talking about Michael Moore your resident Manatee making a fantasy film about the USA attacking Canada for no reason.

You don't get it do you.

[Hogan11]

Originally Posted by watermock

What a bunch of bullcrap. I have never talked about Rudi for president so please. Stop you dimwit. WTF are you talking about? .

You need to read more carefully...go back, read slowly...I wrote "Like the Rudy for Pres. guys"...I'll even put the word like in italics for you so you're sure not to miss it this time. Maybe if I posted "Just like", you would've picked up on it a little quicker...my mistake, I guess I gave you too much credit when it comes to picking things up.

I was talking about Michael Moore your resident Manatee making a fantasy film about the USA attacking Canada for no reason.

You don't get it do you.

It's ok...I'm getting used to reeling you in from the tangents you go off on.

[BroncoInferno]

Interesting how you always seem to know all the facts from the comfort of your own home, mock. You've got the lowdown, and everyone else is a "dimwit". I mean, we all must be dimwits considering most of your posts look like incoherent rants to us laymen. It's a shame that your vast intelligence is wasted in the world of internet chatrooms and message boards. The guys who were actually on Kerry's boat and consider him a hero must be liars, considering their words don't match the words of men who were not on his boat. I mean, you've told us what side is telling the truth, so I don't understand all this defiant resistence from Hogan. I mean, considering all your sagely knowledge, surely some politician should have the foresight to put you on their staff. One of the great minds of our generation, wasting away in anonymity. Keep up the good fight, mock. The great ones are never appreciated in their own time.

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

The guys who were actually on Kerry's boat and consider him a hero must be liars, considering their words don't match the words of men who were not on his boat.

Uh...got proof of that?

Try to going to www.swiftvets.com and see for yourself how his own "boatmen" don't trust him and how he has lied about their support.

Try removing your foot from your mouth before you speak next time.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by rascal

Uh...got proof of that?

Try to going to www.swiftvets.com and see for yourself how his own "boatmen" don't trust him and how he has lied about their support.

Try removing your foot from your mouth before you speak next time.

Yep, those are the facts, alright. Right there on an anti-Kerry website. I'm sure in the future you'll take stories from moveon.org and michaelmoore.com as "fact".

[Northman]

Originally Posted by Hogan11

Just keepin you honest Mock...like the Rudy for Pres. guys, you gotta do your homework on the backgrounds before you make statements like that.

Your statement was innaccurate, I made the correction....whether you throw a tantrum about that or say thank you for it, I really don't care.

rep.

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Yep, those are the facts, alright. Right there on an anti-Kerry website. I'm sure in the future you'll take stories from moveon.org and michaelmoore.com as "fact".

Anti-Kerry website? Its called swiftvets.com not drudge or something. Drudge posted it on their website, that is something completely different.

And besides, it has the actual people who SERVED with him telling how he has lied about his service. Does it have to come from moveon.org for it to be considered fact for you? Hell you guys don't believe anything negative about Kerry no matter where it comes from, so why should it matter where this came from.

[Northman]

Originally Posted by rascal

Hell you guys don't believe anything negative about Kerry no matter where it comes from, so why should it matter where this came from.

boy, that sure sounds familiar.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by rascal

Anti-Kerry website? Its called swiftvets.com not drudge or something. Drudge posted it on their website, that is something completely different.

And besides, it has the actual people who SERVED with him telling how he has lied about his service. Does it have to come from moveon.org for it to be considered fact for you? Hell you guys don't believe anything negative about Kerry no matter where it comes from, so why should it matter where this came from.

I haven't asserted who's telling the truth and who isn't. There are two sides to the story; some are saying he's a hero, some are saying he's not to be trusted. It's not clear in the least which side is painting an accurate portrait. I'm sure people on both sides have their own agenda.

And swiftboats.com isn't anti-Kerry? They are calling him a liar, in the same way that moveon.org and michaelmoore.com call Bush a liar. And no, I don't take everything from those sites as fact. Actually, I rarely read either. I'm not a fan of mudslinging whether it's from the left or the right.

Besides, I don't know why we're debating; mock has already given us the "facts". When will we all learn?

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by Anubis_Zyklon

boy, that sure sounds familiar.

probably because I stole it from your fellow Kerry lovers.

Don't you hate it how words come back to you like that.

[Northman]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

I haven't asserted who's telling the truth and who isn't. There are two sides to the story; some are saying he's a hero, some are saying he's not to be trusted. It's not clear in the least which side is painting an accurate portrait. I'm sure people on both sides have their own agenda.

And swiftboats.com isn't anti-Kerry? They are calling him a liar, in the same way that moveon.org and michaelmoore.com call Bush a liar. And no, I don't take everything from those sites as fact. Actually, I rarely read either. I'm not a fan of mudslinging whether it's from the left or the right.

Besides, I don't know why we're debating; mock has already given us the "facts". When will we all learn?

you cant explain it to them any clearer man. and of course they wont listen anyway. they only see things one way, they cant be objective about anything. its amazing to me that with so many intelligent posters here that many of them are ignorant to the ability of being objective. they let their emotions get the better of them without exploring all the facts. you got Liberals who say ' Moore ' is god and is the only word on the subject and the Conservatives claiming that ' Bush cant do no wrong! '. it just boggles the mind how close minded some of them can be.

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by Anubis_Zyklon

you cant explain it to them any clearer man. and of course they wont listen anyway. they only see things one way, they cant be objective about anything. its amazing to me that with so many intelligent posters here that many of them are ignorant to the ability of being objective. they let their emotions get the better of them without exploring all the facts. you got Liberals who say ' Moore ' is god and is the only word on the subject and the Conservatives claiming that ' Bush cant do no wrong! '. it just boggles the mind how close minded some of them can be.

Well I think Bush has done a lot wrong and Moore is an idiot. So where does that put me?

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by rascal

And besides, it has the actual people who SERVED with him telling how he has lied about his service.

Really? Which one of these guys was on Kerry's boat?

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Really? Which one of these guys was on Kerry's boat?

Just going off the top of my head those who served with him where

Louis Letson
Van Odell
Jack Chenoweth
Bob Hildreth