2000 election stolen debunked, finally.

[Exile_In_SJ]

Dems Won't Permit Facts to Get in Way of '00 Election Myth Print Mail



By John R. Lott Jr., Brian Blase
Posted: Wednesday, July 28, 2004

ARTICLES
Investor's Business Daily
Publication Date: July 28, 2004

You know that the political debate has been poisoned when 85 percent of African-Americans feel President Bush stole the 2000 election. At least that is what a CBS poll released last Friday finds.

Possibly this just reflects the same 85 percent of African-Americans who disapprove of the job that Bush is doing. But if nobody really believes the election was stolen and it is all window dressing, it is hard to explain why the Democrats keep raising the issue at almost every possible opportunity.

Michael Moore is not alone in asserting the election was stolen. On Monday night at the Democratic Convention, both former Vice President Al Gore and former President Bill Clinton raised the election issue that “this time every vote is counted” and “this year, we're going to make sure they're all counted.”

Before both the NAACP and the Urban League during July, Senator John Kerry said that in 2000 there were “a million disenfranchised African Americans” and that it was the “most tainted election in history.”

Jesse Jackson recently claimed that “in the year 2000, the loser won and the winner lost” and that “our birthright was stolen.”

The continued charges of Bush stealing the election from Gore are remarkable considering that exhaustive studies by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights and newspaper organizations have found little, if any evidence voter harassment, intimidation and disenfranchisement occurred in Florida.

Probes Come Up Empty

The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights began an investigation in January 2001 following the public outcry after the election. Although Democrats appointed 6 of the 8 commissioners and the hearings were often hostile toward Republicans, the Commission could not find evidence that a single person was intimidated, harassed, or prevented from voting by Florida law enforcement.

The Commission could not find evidence of systematic disenfranchisement of African-American voters, and concluded that state officials were not at fault for widespread voter disenfranchisement.

A favorite charge is that Republicans threw African-Americans off the voter rolls to take votes away from Democrats.

Florida bans felons from voting, unless they had been granted clemency. Before the 2000 vote, the state hired Database Technologies to purge rolls of felons and dead people. Unfortunately, some non-felons were erroneously removed from the rolls--but the errors didn’t target minorities.

The liberal-leaning Palm Beach Post found that “a review of state records, internal e-mails of [Database Technologies] employees and testimony before the Civil Rights Commission and an elections task force showed no evidence that minorities were specifically targeted.”

In fact, while more African-Americans were removed from the voter roles simply because most felons in Florida are black, whites were twice as likely to be erroneously placed on the list as African-Americans were.

The evidence does not support the charges that there was a nefarious plot to deny African-American voters their right to vote.

In fact, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights reports that in 24 of the 25 counties with the highest percentage of non-voted ballots for president, the county supervisor was a Democrat. In the remaining county, the supervisor was an independent.

Spoiled Ballots

Additionally, the overall rate of spoiled ballots was 14 percent higher when the county election supervisor was a Democrat, and 31 percent higher when the supervisor was an African American Democrat. The famed butterfly ballots of Palm Beach County were creations of Democrats.

Thus, if these nonvoted ballots are viewed as disenfranchisement, not simply that some voters didn’t intend to vote in a particular race, then the ire of Democrats should be directed toward Democrats in Florida.

Recent research published by one of the current authors in the Journal of Legal Studies shows that if any African-Americans in Florida had an unusually high rate of spoiled ballots it was African-American Republicans, not African-American Democrats.

By income, it was voters with family income over $500,000, hardly a group that one could attribute their nonvoted ballots to mistakes on their part.

To start the Democratic convention, newspaper headlines blared: “Democratic Convention aims to stay positive.”

Of course, there were the obligatory charges from speakers such as Jimmy Carter that President Bush had lied about the Iraq war.

But Bill Clinton is the master at simultaneously claiming that Democrats have sought to unite Americans, while Republicans “need a divided America,” and lacing his speech with issues that divide Americans: the supposedly stolen election or rich versus poor being just two.

Senator Kerry and the Democratic Party elites will undoubtedly continue to trumpet their message of the 2000 election as “stolen” and “tainted” because it resonates with their base. But at what costs are these short-term electoral gains achieved? How harmful is it to race relations that African-Americans believe that others are conspiring to keep their votes from being counted?

[Exile_In_SJ]

so we'll continue to hear about how the election was stolen from the left wingnuts and moonbats, but in reality, it's just fantasy with no proof of any wrongdoing.

[Exile_In_SJ]

One of the most telling points of the report is that of the 8 members of the commission 6 were chosen by democrats and yet no wrongdoing could be found.

[Exile_In_SJ]

6 of 8... now what does that say about fairness and balance? rofl.. that there was none.. and yet, no verifiable proof...

[Rascal]

Good find. Just waiting for the left wing nut job spin.

[orangeatheist]

Originally Posted by rascal

Good find. Just waiting for the left wing nut job spin.

No, what you'll probably get is a jpg of a right-winger's head superimposed upon the body of some leather-clad homosexual or dominatrix...

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by orangeatheist

No, what you'll probably get is a jpg of a right-winger's head superimposed upon the body of some leather-clad homosexual or dominatrix...

!!

Fortunately, or unfortunately not sure which, my employeer blocks all of his pictures because of the websites they come from.

[Exile_In_SJ]

Originally Posted by rascal

Good find. Just waiting for the left wing nut job spin.

it's funny, they bleat about the disenfranchisement and yet if there was any, which it's shown there wasn't, it's in democratically controlled areas. The butterfly ballot was designed by a democrat, and yet Republican voters in that area had no problems with it. Is it that democrat voters are too dumb?

They bleat about the SCOTUS, yet say nary a word about the 7 democrats on the Florida Supreme Court..

They know the election wasn't stolen, but they continue to bleat to all that will hear that it was. The old adage, if a lie is repeated often enough and loud enough, people will believe it, especially the gullible ones.

[Spider]

Cheney the Butterfly Ballot , they support Al Qadea

[Hogan11]

Originally Posted by Exile_In_SJ

so we'll continue to hear about how the election was stolen from the left wingnuts and moonbats, but in reality, it's just fantasy with no proof of any wrongdoing.

It's kinda like 1960 in reverse if you ask me.....

[Rohirrim]

OK, I'll play. Of course, the article above does not include the whole report:


In fact, according to the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, numerous Florida voters were wrongly disenfranchised, largely as a result of an inaccurate list of supposed felons who were wrongly deemed ineligible to vote. In June 2001, the Commission reported that "Florida's reliance on a flawed voter exclusion list" -- provided to counties by Katherine Harris, then Florida's secretary of state and currently a Republican member of Congress -- "had the result of denying African Americans the right to vote." Regarding that flawed voter exclusion file, an article published by Salon.com in December 2000 reported that:
A close examination suggests thousands of voters may have lost their right to vote based on a flaw-ridden list ... In the 10 counties contacted by Salon, use of the central voter file seemed to vary wildly. ... Counties that did their best to vet the file discovered a high level of errors, with as many as 15 percent of names incorrectly identified as felons.
As Media Matters for America has previously noted, a December 15, 2000, Orlando Sentinel article by Tallahassee bureau chief John Kennedy reported that "[Katherine] Harris's office, in its attempt to cleanse the rolls of felons, mistakenly purged thousands of voters who did not have criminal records. A disproportionate number of them were black." And according to a December 15, 2000, Associated Press article, Florida's Republican governor, Jeb Bush, voiced the same concerns following his appointment of a panel to address election irregularities: "There have been allegations that felons voted and people's names were removed from the voter rolls," Bush said. "These are issues that must be addressed."

[Mile High Shack]

Dewey still beat Truman dangit.

[alkemical]

where did these stories come from? links please.... let me make up my own mind, i don't rely on argument from authority

[TexanBob]

I'm convinced it was the Democrats whole stole the election only to be tripped up by Murphy's Law. How else to explain:

1) 100+ % voter turnout in one inner-city Michigan precinct.
2) Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida* being called for Gore within minutes of polls closing while states won by Bush like Virginia, Georgia and North Carolina took hours for the networks to call.
3) Homeless in Minnesota and Iowa bribed to vote with cartons of cigarettes.
4) University of Wisconsin students going from precinct-to-precinct and registering under fake names so they could vote "early and often" on election day, later bragging to the press how easy it was to accomplish.
5) A Democrat Wisconsin election official who visited nursing homes and then filled out the ballots "on behalf" of the nursing home patients.
6) Inner-City polls in St. Louis left open an additional three hours on a judge's order who was a crony of Dick Gephardt leading to the narrow victory of Mel Carnahan's widow over John Ashcroft (yes, you libs, if it weren't for your own party's dirty tricks, Ashcroft would just be one of 100 U.S. senators today instead of your worst nightmare).
7) Illegal aliens using motor-voter registrations (a Clinton law) to vote in California.
8) The easily fraudable vote-by-mail scam of Oregon and Washington which both produced narrow victories for Gore.
9) The networks announcing the winner in Florida before the voting booths in the conservative Panhandle area closed, which a Yale study and others claim cost Bush up to 10,000 votes in Florida, making the whole recount scenario moot.

And none of this yet touches on the aftermath of the Florida election where:
1) A Democrat operative was found days after the election with a punch-card voting machine and blank ballots in the trunk of his car.
2) Broward county election officials attempting to count ballots in private.
3) Democrat instructions to throw out as many military absentee ballots as possible.
4) Attempts to include spoiled ballots by cartoonishly "divining" the voter's intent.
5) The Florida Supreme Court circumventing Florida election laws whenever they stood in the way of their desired result.
6) Palm Beach Election Judge Doris Roberts' vow that she would go to jail to see that Al Gore was elected.

Now you could call all of these coincidences but I don't. This was a systematic attempt to throw the election toward the Democrats using media distortion and illegal tactics to fix the election. I think it explains why the Democrats are, to this day, so put out about it. Imagine if you rigged something and *still* didn't win?

It was a high-stakes gamble that would have worked were it not for one innocent little mistake in Palm Beach County, Florida.

Teresa LePore, a Democrat, designed the infamous butterfly ballot (the same one that had been used for decades in Democrat counties without challenges to its legitimacy). The candidates were ranked according to the results of the last statewide election. That meant Bush came first because Republicans won the governorship in 1998. He was given hole #3 in the computer card ballot. Gore, the Democrat, was given hole #4 and the Reform Party candidate was given hole #5. If you look at the computer card, these holes all line up one under the next. But in the butterfly ballot, the names are staggered on the left and right hand columns of the ballot page.

Ms. LePore printed out the sample ballots and received no complaints from any of the parties involved. Thousands of sample ballots used in absentee ballots and for use with voter guides.

But at some point, the local Democrats decided that they wanted Gore's name directly under Bush's name, not across the page where it might be harder to see at a glance. So they switched Gore (hole #4) with Buchanan (hole #5). That's how Buchanan wound up with all those votes in Palm Beach County. The Vote Fraud unit created 1000s of ballots for hole #4 thinking they'd count for Gore and wound up creating them for Buchanan. Then they created the "confused old granny" cover story to keep people from noticing the truth behind what they had done.

The smoking gun is what the Washington Post reported a few days after the election. They buried a story about the Democrats ordering a telemarketing group in Texas to divert away from urgent get-out-the-vote calling while polls were still open to call back Palm Beach voters who *had already voted* to claim they had accidentally voted for Buchanan and insist that they be allowed to vote again. There's no way the Democrats are going to squander national resources at the highest level on the wild goose chase of a few confused old bitties unless they knew they had to launch a cover story to divert the press.

Or did you think that whole dog and pony show about rooms full of confused grannies on national tv admitting they were too stupid to follow arrows on a ballot by 10 p.m. election night just happened spontaneously?

I could say much more but I don't want to write something so long that your eyes will glaze over. The reason Dems can't get over Florida 2000 is not because they had the election stolen but because the election they tried so hard to steal it and came up 527 votes short.

[Hogan11]

Geeze....with all that underhandedness happening...why not bring the UN in to monitor the elections then? Afterall, we can't have those unAmerican, immoral, threat to our national security and very existance Democrats doing this stuff and attempting to get away with it...

[Exile_In_SJ]

I agree, the Democrats should be monitored carefully, remember, they brought a Daley from Chicago down to florida to help try and steal the election, like his daddy did for JFK

[Exile_In_SJ]

Originally Posted by TexanBob

I'm convinced it was the Democrats whole stole the election only to be tripped up by Murphy's Law. How else to explain:

1) 100+ % voter turnout in one inner-city Michigan precinct.
2) Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida* being called for Gore within minutes of polls closing while states won by Bush like Virginia, Georgia and North Carolina took hours for the networks to call.
3) Homeless in Minnesota and Iowa bribed to vote with cartons of cigarettes.
4) University of Wisconsin students going from precinct-to-precinct and registering under fake names so they could vote "early and often" on election day, later bragging to the press how easy it was to accomplish.
5) A Democrat Wisconsin election official who visited nursing homes and then filled out the ballots "on behalf" of the nursing home patients.
6) Inner-City polls in St. Louis left open an additional three hours on a judge's order who was a crony of Dick Gephardt leading to the narrow victory of Mel Carnahan's widow over John Ashcroft (yes, you libs, if it weren't for your own party's dirty tricks, Ashcroft would just be one of 100 U.S. senators today instead of your worst nightmare).
7) Illegal aliens using motor-voter registrations (a Clinton law) to vote in California.
8) The easily fraudable vote-by-mail scam of Oregon and Washington which both produced narrow victories for Gore.
9) The networks announcing the winner in Florida before the voting booths in the conservative Panhandle area closed, which a Yale study and others claim cost Bush up to 10,000 votes in Florida, making the whole recount scenario moot.

And none of this yet touches on the aftermath of the Florida election where:
1) A Democrat operative was found days after the election with a punch-card voting machine and blank ballots in the trunk of his car.
2) Broward county election officials attempting to count ballots in private.
3) Democrat instructions to throw out as many military absentee ballots as possible.
4) Attempts to include spoiled ballots by cartoonishly "divining" the voter's intent.
5) The Florida Supreme Court circumventing Florida election laws whenever they stood in the way of their desired result.
6) Palm Beach Election Judge Doris Roberts' vow that she would go to jail to see that Al Gore was elected.

Now you could call all of these coincidences but I don't. This was a systematic attempt to throw the election toward the Democrats using media distortion and illegal tactics to fix the election. I think it explains why the Democrats are, to this day, so put out about it. Imagine if you rigged something and *still* didn't win?

It was a high-stakes gamble that would have worked were it not for one innocent little mistake in Palm Beach County, Florida.

Teresa LePore, a Democrat, designed the infamous butterfly ballot (the same one that had been used for decades in Democrat counties without challenges to its legitimacy). The candidates were ranked according to the results of the last statewide election. That meant Bush came first because Republicans won the governorship in 1998. He was given hole #3 in the computer card ballot. Gore, the Democrat, was given hole #4 and the Reform Party candidate was given hole #5. If you look at the computer card, these holes all line up one under the next. But in the butterfly ballot, the names are staggered on the left and right hand columns of the ballot page.

Ms. LePore printed out the sample ballots and received no complaints from any of the parties involved. Thousands of sample ballots used in absentee ballots and for use with voter guides.

But at some point, the local Democrats decided that they wanted Gore's name directly under Bush's name, not across the page where it might be harder to see at a glance. So they switched Gore (hole #4) with Buchanan (hole #5). That's how Buchanan wound up with all those votes in Palm Beach County. The Vote Fraud unit created 1000s of ballots for hole #4 thinking they'd count for Gore and wound up creating them for Buchanan. Then they created the "confused old granny" cover story to keep people from noticing the truth behind what they had done.

The smoking gun is what the Washington Post reported a few days after the election. They buried a story about the Democrats ordering a telemarketing group in Texas to divert away from urgent get-out-the-vote calling while polls were still open to call back Palm Beach voters who *had already voted* to claim they had accidentally voted for Buchanan and insist that they be allowed to vote again. There's no way the Democrats are going to squander national resources at the highest level on the wild goose chase of a few confused old bitties unless they knew they had to launch a cover story to divert the press.

Or did you think that whole dog and pony show about rooms full of confused grannies on national tv admitting they were too stupid to follow arrows on a ballot by 10 p.m. election night just happened spontaneously?

I could say much more but I don't want to write something so long that your eyes will glaze over. The reason Dems can't get over Florida 2000 is not because they had the election stolen but because the election they tried so hard to steal it and came up 527 votes short.

very well put .. I remember all those things happening and wondering if the Dems were gonna be able to steal another election.... rep for you

[alkemical]

no links provided - i stamp this thread as propaganda -

we all know the R's play no games

more people talking with their mouthful.

[Exile_In_SJ]

I don't need links, I remembar all those things happening.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by Exile_In_SJ

I don't need links, I remembar all those things happening.

i would make sheep noises at you, but i'm afraid you'd think i was hitting on you

[Exile_In_SJ]

you often copulate with sheep then?

[Exile_In_SJ]

Originally Posted by amesj523

i would make sheep noises at you, but i'm afraid you'd think i was hitting on you

brave of you to admit that though.

[Exile_In_SJ]

Originally Posted by amesj523

i would make sheep noises at you, but i'm afraid you'd think i was hitting on you

I'm just wondering if you understand the concept of seeing/reading those things for myself? Probably not. I can remember each incident TexanBob listed.

you can't? Too bad, not my problem.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by Exile_In_SJ

brave of you to admit that though.

i have no problem admitting you're a sheep lover.

[Exile_In_SJ]

It must do your family proud the way you are able to refute positions with such intellectual arguments.