What happens if ... - The Orange Mane

Old Dude · 08-04-2004, 10:01 AM

... both candidates finish with a tie in electoral votes?

Not that far-fetched, apparently. One source has them currently tied as follows:

The Kerry states: California, Connecticut, Delaware, DC, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. (22 states plus DC for a total of 269 Electoral College votes)

The Bush states: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, and Wyoming. (28 states for a total of 269 Electoral College votes)

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/pa...es/000453.html

Would a tie go to the incumbant?

Would they break the tie by looking at the popular vote?

Would the whole election be tossed into the Senate or the House? If so, which version? The one that existed prior to the election or the newly-elected one?

Captain_Poncho · 08-04-2004, 10:08 AM

I say they do paper rock scissors for it.

Exile_In_SJ · 08-04-2004, 10:12 AM

They go to congress to decide, then if that happens Bush wins because the Republicans control congress.

Old Dude · 08-04-2004, 10:15 AM

I guess they could just bring in the NFL's Phil Luckett to see if he can botch another coin flip.

Hogan11 · 08-04-2004, 10:19 AM

Set up a boxing ring....tag team match, no DQ, first two out of three falls takes it.

Exile_In_SJ · 08-04-2004, 10:21 AM

since this whole political season has been a pissing contest, I say we have a contest, pissing for distance. farthest stream becomes President.

Old Dude · 08-04-2004, 10:38 AM

I'm not sure, but I think it works like this.

The incoming House votes by states among the top three candidates. Each state gets one, and only one, vote. If a state delegation is tied, that state does not vote. The first candidate to receive a majority of state delegation's votes wins. If there is no winner, there is another round of voting.

Meanwhile, the incoming Senate votes in a similar way for the Vice President.

See:
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN0530ELECCOLL.htm

So, you could theoretically have Bush as Pres w/ Edwards as his VP, or Kerry as Pres with Cheney as his VP.

Hogan11 · 08-04-2004, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Dude

I'm not sure, but I think it works like this.

The incoming House votes by states among the top three candidates. Each state gets one, and only one, vote. If a state delegation is tied, that state does not vote. The first candidate to receive a majority of state delegation's votes wins. If there is no winner, there is another round of voting.

Meanwhile, the incoming Senate votes in a similar way for the Vice President.

See:
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN0530ELECCOLL.htm

So, you could theoretically have Bush as Pres w/ Edwards as his VP, or Kerry as Pres with Cheney as his VP.

That would be interesting to say the least...I don't believe the President and VP have ever been from two different parties have they?

Exile_In_SJ · 08-04-2004, 01:32 PM

not in the modern era, I think there was in the early days

Old Dude · 08-04-2004, 01:37 PM

I think there was a time, way back when, when the runner-up for Pres was named VP.

Must have made things real cozy.

Taco John · 08-04-2004, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Dude

I think there was a time, way back when, when the runner-up for Pres was named VP.

Must have made things real cozy.

I bet that would actually be fun if you were the VP.

Hercules Rockefeller · 08-04-2004, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Dude

I think there was a time, way back when, when the runner-up for Pres was named VP.

Must have made things real cozy.

Yep. Adams was GW's Veep and Jefferson was Adams Veep.

Old Dude · 08-04-2004, 02:44 PM

I think it would be more fun to be your opponent's press secretary.

Exile_In_SJ · 08-04-2004, 03:47 PM

your opponents IRS director.......

you keep getting calls from all your big donation guys complaining about all the @ss-reamings the IRS can do..

alkemical · 08-04-2004, 04:43 PM

if there is an election

TexanBob · 08-04-2004, 05:55 PM

First, all the electors have to vote. If one elector switches sides, it's 270-268 and you'd go no further (and that elector joins the Witness Protection program).

But assuming all the electors do their normal thing and it is still tied, the 50 state delegations in the House of Representatives get one vote per state. Assuming these votes are along party lines, Bush would probably win, 29-21.

Next, you can expect the Democrats to sue for a recount while divining the intent of how the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and Guam would have voted. So the whole thing would then wind up back in the U.S. Supreme Court in order for the Democrats to continue their nutty conspiracy theories about right-wing courts selecting the president, etc.

TexanBob · 08-04-2004, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hogan11

Set up a boxing ring....tag team match, no DQ, first two out of three falls takes it.

Mountain biking in Crawford. First to fall off their bike loses.

alkemical · 08-04-2004, 06:33 PM

what about off the wagon?

08-04-2004, 10:01 AM	#1
Old Dude Host Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: As if I'd tell you crazies! Posts: 14,152	What happens if ... ... both candidates finish with a tie in electoral votes? Not that far-fetched, apparently. One source has them currently tied as follows: The Kerry states: California, Connecticut, Delaware, DC, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. (22 states plus DC for a total of 269 Electoral College votes) The Bush states: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, and Wyoming. (28 states for a total of 269 Electoral College votes) http://www.washingtondispatch.com/pa...es/000453.html Would a tie go to the incumbant? Would they break the tie by looking at the popular vote? Would the whole election be tossed into the Senate or the House? If so, which version? The one that existed prior to the election or the newly-elected one?

08-04-2004, 10:38 AM	#7
Old Dude Host Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: As if I'd tell you crazies! Posts: 14,152	I'm not sure, but I think it works like this. The incoming House votes by states among the top three candidates. Each state gets one, and only one, vote. If a state delegation is tied, that state does not vote. The first candidate to receive a majority of state delegation's votes wins. If there is no winner, there is another round of voting. Meanwhile, the incoming Senate votes in a similar way for the Vice President. See: http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/localstoryN0530ELECCOLL.htm So, you could theoretically have Bush as Pres w/ Edwards as his VP, or Kerry as Pres with Cheney as his VP. Last edited by Old Dude; 08-04-2004 at 10:45 AM..

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08-04-2004, 10:08 AM	#2
Captain_Poncho A.K.A. Nick the Merciless Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 461	I say they do paper rock scissors for it.

08-04-2004, 10:12 AM	#3
Exile_In_SJ Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,169	They go to congress to decide, then if that happens Bush wins because the Republicans control congress.

08-04-2004, 10:15 AM	#4
Old Dude Host Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: As if I'd tell you crazies! Posts: 14,152	I guess they could just bring in the NFL's Phil Luckett to see if he can botch another coin flip.

08-04-2004, 10:19 AM	#5
Hogan11 Rock-N-Roll Historian Let's take these SOB's out!!!!!! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: W.NY.B.C. Posts: 21,300 Adopt-a-Bronco: Floyd Little	Set up a boxing ring....tag team match, no DQ, first two out of three falls takes it.

08-04-2004, 10:21 AM	#6
Exile_In_SJ Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,169	since this whole political season has been a pissing contest, I say we have a contest, pissing for distance. farthest stream becomes President.

08-04-2004, 01:32 PM	#9
Exile_In_SJ Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,169	not in the modern era, I think there was in the early days

08-04-2004, 01:37 PM	#10
Old Dude Host Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: As if I'd tell you crazies! Posts: 14,152	I think there was a time, way back when, when the runner-up for Pres was named VP. Must have made things real cozy.

08-04-2004, 02:44 PM	#13
Old Dude Host Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: As if I'd tell you crazies! Posts: 14,152	I think it would be more fun to be your opponent's press secretary.

08-04-2004, 03:47 PM	#14
Exile_In_SJ Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,169	your opponents IRS director....... you keep getting calls from all your big donation guys complaining about all the @ss-reamings the IRS can do..

08-04-2004, 04:43 PM	#15
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,693 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	if there is an election

08-04-2004, 05:55 PM	#16
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	First, all the electors have to vote. If one elector switches sides, it's 270-268 and you'd go no further (and that elector joins the Witness Protection program). But assuming all the electors do their normal thing and it is still tied, the 50 state delegations in the House of Representatives get one vote per state. Assuming these votes are along party lines, Bush would probably win, 29-21. Next, you can expect the Democrats to sue for a recount while divining the intent of how the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and Guam would have voted. So the whole thing would then wind up back in the U.S. Supreme Court in order for the Democrats to continue their nutty conspiracy theories about right-wing courts selecting the president, etc.

08-04-2004, 06:33 PM	#18
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,693 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	what about off the wagon?