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Old 07-14-2004, 02:52 PM   #51
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It's arrogance....not "self-confidence"....
If he wasn't one of the top QBs in the league you would have a point. You act like it's Trent Green or one of the second tier QBs saying that. Who did you expect him to say anyway?
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Old 07-14-2004, 02:58 PM   #52
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Top QB's in the NFL right now .........
1. Tom Brady - Say what you want about this guy , he just seems to get the job done ... I like the way Brady reads a defense , and his decision making is outstanding ........ My knock on Brady is he makes Griese look fast running ......
2. Steve McNair - Dude is a warrior , Not the prettiest QB you will see throw the Ball , but Steve will find away to get it done even if he has to run you over to do it .......
3. David Carr - this Pick will have some scratching thier heads , but I like Carrs style , he has enough Arm , guts and determination , he just has to harness it ..........
4.Peyton Manning - Simply the best passer in the NFL , but Manning doesnt let the flow of the game happen , with all of his audibles and hand gestures . I think Manning out thinks himself and his offense on more then 1 occasion per game ......
Thats my take on the Qb's
QB worth mentioning is Brett Farve , he is old but I think he has another season in the tank ...........
Man...do you watch much football?
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Would agree with you on all accounts. He has been saddled with very poor defenses most of his career so far. If Dungy can muster up a top 15 defense for the next couple years I would fully expect him to bring Indy a ring, maybe two.

If McNair were saddled with the Colts D and Manning had the Titans the past several years Manning would probably have a ring or two and McNair's teams would struggle to sniff the playoffs. Just my worthless opinion however.


no way. for starters, Peyton has had a much better offesive line and better wideouts than Mcnair has. secondly, there were many times when Mcnair had to get out of trouble much like John in his heyday just to avoid many sacks. Peyton has no mobility whatsover. Peyton is good, but not THAT good.
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I would much rather have a QB that believes in himself than a QB that thinks he's OK or pretty good or above average. I personally would be more worried about a QB that says "Yeah, I'm not bad I guess..." and gives you the old shoulder shrug. Would it have been easier for some to swallow if he said top 3? Top 5?

As I've said before, there's guys out there that don't want the rock with the game on the line. Give me someone who does. Manning is one of those guys who does. Is he the best? Debatable, but IMO he is right now.

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Llama, what was wrong with that take? I'd put both manning and mcnabb ahead of carr, but if you've watched any Hou games you'd have to see a comparison to Carr and Aikman. Carr owns that team. If he lives thourth the beatings, Hou couls be a force.

Also, something may be happeing in cinny and possibly balt. There's been a dirth of good qb's the past 5 years or so.
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I guess everyone has already forgotten the ass whipping he put on both our teams just a few short months ago.

PM is the best QB today. Maybe not next year or the year after. But for now, he is without a doubt the best.


oh yea, you mean right after we whooped his ass?
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Daunte is tight.. however I wonder why a 6'4" 260lb man would play qb.. Daunte had 24 td passes last season 17 of them to moss
The Only knock I have on Dante is fumbling .......... He fumbles alot ........
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"In three NFC championship games, McNabb is 54-for-101 for 514 yards with one touchdown and five interceptions, and just nine rushes for 53 yards."


His defense is going to have to go from really good to 85 Bears type good if they are going to carry him to a ring.
Manning has only managed one AFC Championship Game. Great numbers, too.

23 completions on 47 attempts for 237 yards. 1 touchdown and 4 interceptions.

Yeah, way better than Donovan.
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"In three NFC championship games, McNabb is 54-for-101 for 514 yards with one touchdown and five interceptions, and just nine rushes for 53 yards."


His defense is going to have to go from really good to 85 Bears type good if they are going to carry him to a ring.
Yeah, between the NFC championship games and his bowl games in college. McNabb gives new meaning to the phrase happy feet when the pressure
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There is no such thing as watching too much football ..............
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I would much rather have a QB that believes in himself than a QB that thinks he's OK or pretty good or above average. I personally would be more worried about a QB that says "Yeah, I'm not bad I guess..." and gives you the old shoulder shrug. Would it have been easier for some to swallow if he said top 3? Top 5?

As I've said before, there's guys out there that don't want the rock with the game on the line. Give me someone who does. Manning is one of those guys who does. Is he the best? Debatable, but IMO he is right now.

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oh yea, confidence is real good, but this is arrogance. but its ok man, im glad he thinks like that cause now every defense that plays against him is putting a target on his ass. he could have been humble about it which is not a bad thing.
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Yeah, between the NFC championship games and his bowl games in college. McNabb gives new meaning to the phrase happy feet when the pressure
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college? oh brother. let me remind you that the almighty Peyton Manning NEVER beat Florida, NEVER in 4 trys. that is one of the biggest rivals of Tennesse and Peyton couldnt get it done. and he didnt play on a subpar team like Mcnabb did in Syracuse.
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oh yea, confidence is real good, but this is arrogance. but its ok man, im glad he thinks like that cause now every defense that plays against him is putting a target on his ass. he could have been humble about it which is not a bad thing.
Once again, Who did you expect him to say? If not himself than who?Is there a right or wrong answer?
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college? oh brother. let me remind you that the almighty Peyton Manning NEVER beat Florida, NEVER in 4 trys. that is one of the biggest rivals of Tennesse and Peyton couldnt get it done. and he didnt play on a subpar team like Mcnabb did in Syracuse.
Syracuse had a good team when McNabb played there. They definitely didn't have a subpar team.
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Once again, Who did you expect him to say? If not himself than who?Is there a right or wrong answer?

i would expect him to say something to the nature of ' im not really sure, there are a lot of great Qbs in the league right now '. all im saying is he should have been humble about it. confidence is one thing but arrogance is just asking for trouble in my opinion. and like someone else said, after the PK got drunk and b****ed about the team Peyton took upon himself to ' air the dirty laundry ' on national television. if your a team leader, you dont do crap like that. there is more to being a great Qb than just stats. thats the point im trying to make.
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Syracuse had a good team when McNabb played there. They definitely didn't have a subpar team.

good but nothing like Tennesse. they dont even come close to recruiting blue chip players like Tennesse.
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The Only knock I have on Dante is fumbling .......... He fumbles alot ........

Yeah he does fumble quite a bit.. he is still very good and humble (imagine that) I question his smarts however.. I think moss and his attitude have him in check..
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So he should have said "I am a serviceable NFL quarterback."? or "I am not the worst starting QB currently in the NFL."? Too vanilla for my tastes. It takes a great deal of self confidence to be a winner: In the NFL and in life. If you want to argue that it's ok to think it but it's wrong to say it out loud, then I guess we'll agree to disagree.

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i would expect him to say something to the nature of ' im not really sure, there are a lot of great Qbs in the league right now '. all im saying is he should have been humble about it. confidence is one thing but arrogance is just asking for trouble in my opinion. and like someone else said, after the PK got drunk and b****ed about the team Peyton took upon himself to ' air the dirty laundry ' on national television. if your a team leader, you dont do crap like that. there is more to being a great Qb than just stats. thats the point im trying to make.
I'll remind you he said this while on The Hot Seat , you know , on Sports Center. You don't get to give ho hum answers on that show. You didn't watch it did you?
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i would expect him to say something to the nature of ' im not really sure, there are a lot of great Qbs in the league right now '. all im saying is he should have been humble about it. confidence is one thing but arrogance is just asking for trouble in my opinion. and like someone else said, after the PK got drunk and b****ed about the team Peyton took upon himself to ' air the dirty laundry ' on national television. if your a team leader, you dont do crap like that. there is more to being a great Qb than just stats. thats the point im trying to make.
If you don't think Manning is a leader on and off the field, you might need to adjust your rabbit ears.

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Someone once asked Jerry Rice: "Are you the best to ever play your position?"

His reply?

"You'll never hear me say that" - That's class

Even if Peyton was asked to say it he could have shown some humility. Just the fact that he was that easily 'pressured' into making the statement shows just how full of himself he is. In my opinion he's a self centered egotistical jackass who also happens to be a very good QB in the NFL. That pained me to say that, it really did. I think he's awesome as a QB but he's an arrogant a-hole from the interviews that i've seen him in. No, it's not confidence it's definetly arrogance.
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Someone once asked Jerry Rice: "Are you the best to ever play your position?"

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"You'll never hear me say that" - That's class

Even if Peyton was asked to say it he could have shown some humility. Just the fact that he was that easily 'pressured' into making the statement shows just how full of himself he is. In my opinion he's a self centered egotistical jackass who also happens to be a very good QB in the NFL. That pained me to say that, it really did. I think he's awesome as a QB but he's an arrogant a-hole from the interviews that i've seen him in. No, it's not confidence it's definetly arrogance.
Serious... the guy needs a reality check
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So he should have said "I am a serviceable NFL quarterback."? or "I am not the worst starting QB currently in the NFL."? Too vanilla for my tastes. It takes a great deal of self confidence to be a winner: In the NFL and in life. If you want to argue that it's ok to think it but it's wrong to say it out loud, then I guess we'll agree to disagree.

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I am not a fan of the Manning's, and just can't get past this guy's melon-sized head. However, I actually don't see a problem with a QB with some confidence, and a little cockiness. It just doesn't seem to fit PM for some reason, but it did fit a guy like Marino quite well.
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Yeah he does fumble quite a bit.. he is still very good and humble (imagine that) I question his smarts however.. I think moss and his attitude have him in check..
I have no doubts Cullpepper can Game , I dont think him and Moss get along well though ........
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lmao. oh yea, criticizing you teamates shows great leadership abilities just ask Terrell ' im the greatest reciever eva ' Owens who has, how many rings again? as i stated before it takes more than stats to become a GREAT Qb. take away any of Peytons wideouts and plug in some average wides and see how well he does. Manning gets a LOT of help from his offense, not just a little. guys like Elway did a ****load more with less than what Manning has helping him. and their defense was much much improved from previous years but the fact is he got outplayed by Brady and the Pats. hell, Brady deserves more credit than he is getting he hasnt had a that little thing called a running game to help him. talk about perking up the rabbit ears, you need to get out of that tunnel vision you latched onto.
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