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Old 07-15-2004, 11:14 AM   #251
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Go back to what I said about my Knock on manning I was on manning for his Presnap bullShiat , not his playoff losses , or interceptions ....... As for me quoting Slap , I agree that was the case in why McNabb didnt play well ........ See you and Yavoon want everything to fit in a stat , Football doesnt work that way , you can make a Prefect read , make the perfect throw , your reciver runs the perfect route , but lets the ball pop off his shoulder into the CB hands and it is a pick it is late in the 4 th quarter costing you the game ...... Who fault is it ?
The QB gets the stat of an interception ........ Does that mean the QB sucks ?
of course not ....... you and Yavoon have to learn the game of football .......
Here is an Idea all that smart wad you braged about wasting on Sheep.... errr backside of Montana women ....... Go get some back .... you need it
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Old 07-15-2004, 11:19 AM   #252
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Go back to what I said about my Knock on manning I was on manning for his Presnap bullShiat , not his playoff losses , or interceptions ....... As for me quoting Slap , I agree that was the case in why McNabb didnt play well ........ See you and Yavoon want everything to fit in a stat , Football doesnt work that way , you can make a Prefect read , make the perfect throw , your reciver runs the perfect route , but lets the ball pop off his shoulder into the CB hands and it is a pick it is late in the 4 th quarter costing you the game ...... Who fault is it ?
The QB gets the stat of an interception ........ Does that mean the QB sucks ?
of course not ....... you and Yavoon have to learn the game of football .......
Here is an Idea all that smart wad you braged about wasting on Sheep.... errr backside of Montana women ....... Go get some back .... you need it
u want everything to fit in a flimsy opinion and singular anecdote. thats far more laughable than actually attempting to analyze anything.

and as for "unfortunate circumstances" generally in statistics it is assumed that luck plays itself to zero over a long enuff period of time. while this is not always a precise assumption it is generally a good assumption and when used one can arrive at useful information that can be applied successfully in the field.

instead of the other way, whining about luck and then not arriving at anything more useful than a haphazard opinion of what u like/dont like about someone.
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Old 07-15-2004, 11:21 AM   #253
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Old 07-15-2004, 11:29 AM   #254
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u want everything to fit in a flimsy opinion and singular anecdote. thats far more laughable than actually attempting to analyze anything.

and as for "unfortunate circumstances" generally in statistics it is assumed that luck plays itself to zero over a long enuff period of time. while this is not always a precise assumption it is generally a good assumption and when used one can arrive at useful information that can be applied successfully in the field.

instead of the other way, whining about luck and then not arriving at anything more useful than a haphazard opinion of what u like/dont like about someone.
Who is whinning ?
Flimsy ......... What Part is Flimsy ?
you are an Idiot , not my fault .......
See go back to my Knock on Manning , I didnt knock his Throwing , or his reads , I knocked his Presnap Bull , you cant see a QB drop back and look at his Mechanics , so you go with Stats .......
So much figures into a Good QB , the Oline , Running Game Recievers ......
Even down to the Game plan and the system .......
Some day you will see that football isnt a stats game ........
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I think u got carried away w/ ur fervor, no1 has ever said manning has no1 to throw it to. then again manning made Brandon Stokley look like a deep threat.

heh, so did Trent Dilfer but that aint saying much now is it?
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heh, so did Trent Dilfer but that aint saying much now is it?
Yeah bud, Dilfer made him look like a deep threat in one play of one game.
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yah like not turning the ball over in a playoff game in the redzone on a game winning drive in the fourth.

oh wait mcnabb did that.

where was Peytons heroics against the Pats?
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where was Peytons heroics against the Pats?
They're changing the way the game is played because of that game. Fact. What about that?
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Yeah bud, Dilfer made him look like a deep threat in one play of one game.

still giving manning the handjob eh OZO? man, you really must be in love.
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still giving manning the handjob eh OZO? man, you really must be in love.
All hail the greek goddess of poison. If running with slaps jokes is the best you can do. Well......
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All hail the greek goddess of poison. If running with slaps jokes is the best you can do. Well......
Let me ask you Ozo what part of Manning game do think is his best part ?
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All hail the greek goddess of poison. If running with slaps jokes is the best you can do. Well......

uh? who said i was joking?
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McNair is twice the QB Manning will ever be because he's a better overall QB than Manning.


h McNair is twice the QB cause I said so....uhhhhh so that makes it fact.


That is impressive....Not only better, but "twice the QB" and you really backed that up with a very impressive argument.

Don't forgot to tell us how he is the toughest player in the game....far tougher than Farve. That is my favorite bed time story.
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Let me ask you Ozo what part of Manning game do think is his best part ?

The fact he knows his offense better than anyone else and knows his opponents defense better than most of the guys playing in it. That allows him to exploit their holes quickly when opportunities present and allows him to get the ball where it needs to be quickly so they aren't taking sacks and fumbling the ball away ala Culpepper (6), McNair(6), Brooks (11), Brady (5) while Manning lost 1.

Everyone likes to talk about his lack of mobility yet it is the guys with the mobility and lack of ability to make quick decisions that are getting dropped and turnover the ball.
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Let me ask you Ozo what part of Manning game do think is his best part ?
Best part: Quick decison making, movement in the pocket, blind side awareness and toughness. To name a few.
Worst part: The long handoffs are not good IMO.
Neautral :Signal calls. No mater what arguments are made. They expose the blitz. The reason why N.E. decided on an all out attack on the Colts receivers is because Belichich couldn't rely on blitz's anymore.
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I would take Carr to QB the Broncos in a heart beat ......
But no way do the texans let Carr go .......
Let me get this straight.

You told me that Jake Plummer is as good as Joe Montana. Saying that Bill Walsh said so, and that it must be true.

If you would take Carr over Plummer, then you must feel that David Carr is better than Joe Montana.

Is that true?
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Best part: toughness.

That is for sure...He is tough and plays smart which has allowed him to take every snap and not put his team in jeopardy of having Billy Volek, Kurt Kittner, Doug Johnson, Danny Kannell's of the world under center and throwing away your season.
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Best part: Quick decison making, movement in the pocket, blind side awareness and toughness. To name a few.
Ok , But to deny that Harrison isnt a big part of that is a stretch , I said earlier that Manning makes Harrison as much as Harrison makes Manning , and his oline does play a big role in Mannings pocket presents ...... Ans Manning does have the Marino Shuffle , Although I wouldnt call it quick , but it is quick enough ...........
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I agree I nailed that one several post ago
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Neautral :Signal calls. No mater what arguments are made. They expose the blitz. The reason why N.E. decided on an all out attack on the Colts receivers is because Belichich couldn't rely on blitz's anymore.
Here is where we part company , I think the Presnap read does more harm then good .......While what manning does works in a 2 minute Drill , I think it realy takes its toll on the olinemen , and the presnap posturing manning does isnt anymore effective then hot reads , for example , look how denver did Vs the Pats with Kanell .....
Now that the obvious is out of the way .......
I realy like Mannings mechanics , and his footwork is well within his frame , physicaly I cant find much wrong with the QB Manning , What I do find fault in is the way manning manages a game ........
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Let me get this straight.

You told me that Jake Plummer is as good as Joe Montana. Saying that Bill Walsh said so, and that it must be true.

If you would take Carr over Plummer, then you must feel that David Carr is better than Joe Montana.

Is that true?
Sure But Plummer has 7 years in ...... Carr is young , Carr is a QB of the future ...... Jake is damn good , I am not knocking jake , but Carr is far better then Kanell , and would be an excellent back up for 3 -5 Years and lets see where plummer is then ......
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Unfortunately for guys like you and the media that is more important than being able to read a defense and hit a WR in stride.

Maybe if he worked a little more on trying to complete at least 60% of his passes instead of dunking over the cross bar he might someday break 3400 yards passing and sneak over 20 passing TD's again. But then again Ozzie Smith got in on the first ballot cause of popularity from a back flip so maybe dunking over the cross bar is more important.


Our pal Anus Z was struggling to debate this in a public forum but he did manage to make this brilliant post on a negative rep response to this post:

"what complete garbage. maybe if his recievers actually caught the damn thing he would have a better percentage. idiot."


Thought I would share with you for your enjoyment.
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Ans Manning does have the Marino Shuffle ..

Marino doesn't deserve to be in the same world as Manning when it come ball handling....Manning works very hard to carryout play action fakes and carry out pass fakes once he has handed it off....Marino was so sloppy and woeful with his ball handling to the RB that when they were running play action it was immediately obvious as he would make no effort to carry out the fake like a real handoff. He would just do some sloppy half a$$ fake that you could read play action in a tenth of a second. And people wondered why they couldn't ever establish the run while Marino was in Miami.

Manning studies his own film to make sure his play action fakes are carried out exactly like his real handoffs.
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Marino doesn't deserve to be in the same world as Manning when it come ball handling....Manning works very hard to carryout play action fakes and carry out pass fakes once he has handed it off....Marino was so sloppy and woeful with his ball handling to the RB that when they were running play action it was immediately obvious as he would make no effort to carry out the fake like a real handoff. He would just do some sloppy half a$$ fake that you could read play action in a tenth of a second. And people wondered why they couldn't ever establish the run while Marino was in Miami.

Manning studies his own film to make sure his play action fakes are carried out exactly like his real handoffs.
Oh Bullshiat , first off look how I referenced Manning and Marino , Has nothing to do with anything you are babbling about goof .... Grow up already
Damn you act as if I said your boyfriend was a bum .......
Oh and BYW as for throwing the Ball , Manning has long ways to go to Catch Marino ............
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Our pal Anus Z was struggling to debate this in a public forum but he did manage to make this brilliant post on a negative rep response to this post:

"what complete garbage. maybe if his recievers actually caught the damn thing he would have a better percentage. idiot."


Thought I would share with you for your enjoyment.
you are such a Drama Queen ............
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Our pal Anus Z was struggling to debate this in a public forum but he did manage to make this brilliant post on a negative rep response to this post:

"what complete garbage. maybe if his recievers actually caught the damn thing he would have a better percentage. idiot."


Thought I would share with you for your enjoyment.

in the words of Ace Ventura: why dont you cry about it?

your idiocy has proven my point as i also posted a similiar response in this thread. but lets go even further by saying that Manning, Green, and Bulger have something in common, good offensive lines. and for the exception of green the other two have great wideouts with lots of speed. ever hear the term ' speed kills '? as far as Peytons toughness, we shall see as he hardly gets touched. not his fault of course but that proves his offensive line is doing their job. aside from this year withstanding, just like the broncos line can plug in any back and get a thousand yd runner the same can be said for the colts, queefs,and Rams O-lines. plug in any Qb and that guy will have a great year. its just common sense at this point.

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And people wondered why they couldn't ever establish the run while Marino was in Miami.

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hahaha! your dismissed. Marino never had a running back you dope. if Ricky Williams had been a part of that team while Marino was there he would have a ring. had nothing to do with fake the handoff, so by your idiotic logic here the only team the can do a fake handoff is the colts correct? like that is the secret to Peyton's success? bwahhhhh!
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