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Midnight Blue · 10-01-2002, 02:12 PM

You might not feel that way, Iowanian, if you constantly had opponents taking the field at the 35 or better because your kicker can't or won't kick into the end zone... personally, I rather think it's "can't" with Jason.... his 65-yarder was before the back injury....
but his performance in no way justifies a salary demand $.6 million higher than Vinatieri, who, IMO, earned his pay raise.

Mile High Shack · 10-01-2002, 02:17 PM

He shanked an easy 41 yard field goal.............he totally shanked a 57 yarder...granted it was a long one, but he wasn't even CLOSE.

and that kickoff in the 2nd half.....dude caught it on the 15 yard line, that helped in getting them another 3 points...that's another 3 points we could've used back.

Elam CAN NOT kick it in the endzone.....he was good for his time, but it's not like kickers aren't out there.

FADERPROOF · 10-01-2002, 03:21 PM

QB-takes the snaps and has a part of basically every offensive play, is blames for a loss, heralded for a win, and has guys anywhere from 225-350 pounds running at him in attempts to hit him and knock him in the dirt.

K-out there for only FG, XPT's,and kickoffs. Only a few times a year will they come out to kick a last second FG, and when they miss it is when they get blamed for a loss. They have a rule that a defender cannot touch them or it is a penalty, and people still look for other reasons other than them to blame losses on.

now, what pos. should get paid more again?

Iowanian · 10-01-2002, 03:48 PM

[quote author=Blueflame link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=15#25 date=10/01/02 at 14:12:08]You might not feel that way, Iowanian, if you constantly had opponents taking the field at the 35 or better because your kicker can't or won't kick into the end zone... personally, I rather think it's "can't" with Jason.... his 65-yarder was before the back injury....
but his performance in no way justifies a salary demand $.6 million higher than Vinatieri, who, IMO, earned his pay raise.[/quote]

BF.....
Uh.....The Chiefs kicking situation has sucked for over a decade. Morton Anderson gets ahold of a KO once per game, but his kicks are low and occasionally short, which is resulting in some crappy Defensive Field position. I know plenty about the feelign of that.

I do agree however, that 2 Mil is too friggin high for a kicker, and Vineteri is as good as Elam....and even he misses...he dinked one off a post In KC recently to lose a game.

defenseman · 10-01-2002, 04:09 PM

First: Elam has been kicking em short correct? For a couple of years now, correct?
Second: Elam DID NOT get showed the money, correct? He may not feel as comfortable in Denver as he used to.
Third: He may say he's fine, But, I see him with a hammy problem as we speak. He's not as affective as he has been in the past, both kickoffs and recently field goals.
Fourth: Special teams has continuously degraded over the last three weeks, correct?

Well, I see a major problem on special teams,and IF not corrected WILL cost us at least one more game. Do NOT underestimate the value of field position. As far as elam, he's gone at the end of the season...dman

In the mean time, IF he can't get it deep anymore, go get a damn kickoff specialist so he can get it deep. If they don't , we WILL lose another game due to special teams. SOLVE the PROBLEM, and move on...dman

Midnight Blue · 10-01-2002, 04:10 PM

[quote author=Iowanian link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=15#28 date=10/01/02 at 15:48:57]

BF.....
Uh.....The Chiefs kicking situation has sucked for over a decade. Morton Anderson gets ahold of a KO once per game, but his kicks are low and occasionally short, which is resulting in some crappy Defensive Field position. I know plenty about the feelign of that.

I do agree however, that 2 Mil is too friggin high for a kicker, and Vineteri is as good as Elam....and even he misses...he dinked one off a post In KC recently to lose a game.
[/quote]

It wouldn't bother me a bit if KC signs Elam next year... as long as Dickie and Carl pay him his $2 million....

As I said, he's simply not the same kicker he was prior to his back injury... and he's not going to improve with age, either.

Yeah, he's great at PAT's... and usually, he's "money in the bank" on 40-yd or less FGs... but last night's performance has me re-thinking whether or not I'll miss him when he's gone... and he used to be one of my favorite Broncos... before his outrageous salary demands and subsequent inflexibility. Now, I'm seriously wondering if we wouldn't have been better off keeping Kimrin.

MMM · 10-01-2002, 04:30 PM

Interestingly, Elam cost us 13 points (6 in missed fgs, and 7 for the TD return). The difference in the game was 11 points. I can't really get too down on him though, he makes those more times than not.

Phantom · 10-01-2002, 04:39 PM

Elam is a very accurate kicker. His distance has been skewed statistics-wise because half of his kicks are a mile in the air. Thus he tends to struggle at FG on the road.

If Elam is gonna miss some FGs at least it was during the "everyone play crappy" game and not when it will decide the winner in OT or something.

Funny how when you near retirement you start to worry more about finances. Elam wants the bank because he knows his playing days are numbered - mounting injuries, etc.

I agree with Dman - get a specialist for KOs. Shave one of these TEs who contribute 1 catch for 8 yards and sign a KO specialist who can contribute 60 yards by having 4 touchbacks instead of four decent returns for the other team.

Raiders Rock · 10-01-2002, 05:03 PM

[quote author=clint7 link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=0#0 date=09/30/02 at 23:44:08]What was it? $2 million Elam wanted a year?

Please.[/quote]
Don't blame him, what kind of idiot coach sends a kicker out in the humid night heavy air to kick a 58 yarder?
He can't kick like that without the thin air of Dungver

Blame that on "THE RAT"

RR

defenseman · 10-01-2002, 05:22 PM

RR, you have to come here with an intelligent take. Not insensible babbling, try again pal............dman

HAT · 10-01-2002, 05:57 PM

As much as it pains me.......I gotta agree with RR on this one.
It was a terrible call sending the FG unit out there. 58 at sea level? Even if he makes it....it's 24-6 still a 3 score game. I understand that Mike was looking to get any sort of Mo' heading into the locker room, but if your kicker is only kicking it 65 yds off of a tee with no d-line in front of him........

Better off throwing the HM. For those that don't think BG could've got it there....fine...bring in SB for one play and let Lelie go for the jump ball.

Raiders Rock · 10-01-2002, 06:03 PM

[quote author=HAT link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=30#35 date=10/01/02 at 17:57:56]As much as it pains me.......I gotta agree with RR on this one.
It was a terrible call sending the FG unit out there. 58 at sea level? Even if he makes it....it's 24-6 still a 3 score game. I understand that Mike was looking to get any sort of Mo' heading into the locker room, but if your kicker is only kicking it 65 yds off of a tee with no d-line in front of him........

Better off throwing the HM. For those that don't think BG could've got it there....fine...bring in SB for one play and let Lelie go for the jump ball.[/quote]

Exactly.... I am NOT doubting Elams ability as he is one of the best if not the best kicker in the game today.

But this is Fall and the air is cool and damp and heavy at night time and much different than the air in Denver, as soon as he lined up for that kick I said it would be short in your chatroom here because of that

Now I didn't know there would be a man in the endzone to catch it, but it appears Billick also knew that ball would not carry like the Broncos thought it would.

RR

10-01-2002, 08:39 PM

[quote author=DenFan38 link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=15#18 date=10/01/02 at 12:30:08]this is what it comes down to, for Elam to be paid 2 million dollars like he wants, he would have to be the best K in the league. Now, would Vinateri made that 44 yarder? How about Akers? Think Longwell would've? Even Gramatica? Mare? I'd say yes to all of those.

Comparing a K's salary to a QB's is just retarded.[/quote]

Just curious...do you think Brian deserves to be the highest paid player in Broncos history...and do you think he deserves to be one of the NFL's highest paid QB's?

No1BroncoFan · 10-01-2002, 08:41 PM

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But to blast him because the entire special teams unit was napping?

How 'bout blasting him for not kicking a 53-yard FG THROUGH the end-zone. Piss on whether he makes it or not. If he ain't got the leg to sail a 53-yarder through the end-zone then maybe he ain't got enough leg period! He's starting to look just like Treadwell. Money from inside 40, flat-broke from 40+.

Ben

10-01-2002, 08:42 PM

[quote author=Taco John link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=15#19 date=10/01/02 at 12:45:22]

I laughed? I'd love for you to show me where. I've been nothing but skeptical of our offensive line stretching back into last season. Are you inventing things so that you can be the lone ranger on this one or something?[/quote]

You didn't "literally" laugh...but you and Mock and few others blasted my belief that the OL sucked when I was posting all those "on pace to allow 64 sacks" posts.

You defended them by saying the line improved because we rediscovered our running game.

10-01-2002, 08:44 PM

[quote author=No1BroncoFan link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=30#38 date=10/01/02 at 20:41:23]

How 'bout blasting him for not kicking a 53-yard FG THROUGH the end-zone. Piss on whether he makes it or not. If he ain't got the leg to sail a 53-yarder through the end-zone then maybe he ain't got enough leg period! He's starting to look just like Treadwell. Money from inside 40, flat-broke from 40+.

Ben[/quote]

Your b****ing about a kicker who misses from 53 yards out...and yet you defend a QB who can't throw 40 yards?

10-01-2002, 08:47 PM

[quote author=MMM link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=30#31 date=10/01/02 at 16:30:37]Interestingly, Elam cost us 13 points (6 in missed fgs, and 7 for the TD return). The difference in the game was 11 points. I can't really get too down on him though, he makes those more times than not.[/quote]

If your allowed to say Elam was responsible for a 13 point swing...then what about Brian's 3 ints...

1st one set Ravens up for a TD.

2nd one was in red zone...that's 7 we should have had.

3rd one was under thrown in the end zone.....another 7 points we should have had.

The way I see it Brian wins 21-13.

No1BroncoFan · 10-01-2002, 08:58 PM

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Your biatching about a kicker who misses from 53 yards out...

No Errand, not for missing the field-goal but for leaving it so SHORT it can be returned. If he's so damned good, why was that 57-yard (my bad) FG attempt no more than a 47-yard punt? He kicks 70-YARD FGS IN PRACTICE and can't kick a 57-yarder out the back of the end-zone? The cross-bar is at the BACK of the end-zone and fairly high up isn't it?

Quote:

and yet you defend a QB who can't throw 40 yards?

I've defended his good performance this season from your nit-picking but I've also questioned whether he's the future for this team or just a placeholder. Sorry, I'm not one of your Brian-homers that you think need to be kicked like a dog.

Get a grip on something other than your johnson there Errand.

Ben

10-01-2002, 09:02 PM

A kicker of Elam's ability is worth $2 million...especially when the Broncos have offered a rag armed .500 QB $39 million.

10-01-2002, 09:05 PM

And the ball would have gone out of the end zone if the Ravens hadn't the foresight to leave McAlister back there. So frankly, your beef is with Mike for having Elam attempt a 57 yarder vs punting...it's not like Mike forgot we weren't in Denver was it?

watermock · 10-01-2002, 09:05 PM

Errand, this was a thread about Elam.

It is so pathetic when you say "I only started two threads about SOB", when you take every thread into your personal obsession.

It was lousy playcalling/special teams more than anything as far as I was concerned.

If Elam felt good, and felt he could make a 58 yarder, then the coaches have to let him give it a shot. But it is the special teams coach that has to remind his players that it is a LIVE BALL, not Brian Griese.

The very late FG try was also very stupid when we had a 4th and 1. Even if we got the ball back it would of been hail marys. Bad coaching, not Elams fault at all.

I just find it astounding how Errand can turn each thread something about Griese.

How about this Errand? We just make a thread for you for yourself to piss and moan and call him an overpaid drunk that is on his way to murdering people so we can just throw him in jail yesterday, and you can go circle jerk to yourself in a mirror.

watermock · 10-01-2002, 09:09 PM

What a kicker is paid has absolutely NO BEARING on what a starting QB is paid.

If you would bother to look around, starting QB's average around 5 million per year, Griese is making 2.7 this year. It took 5 million just to buy out Bledsoes contract. FACT IS, New England is paying more in DEAD MONEY for Bledsoe than Denver is paying for Griese to play.

Yet he is the "highest paid player in the league"

I tell you what, I would rather pay Griese his money than that Gap Toothed Strahan Chunky Soup idiot that isn't doing anything more than Bertrand Berry is.

Midnight Blue · 10-01-2002, 09:10 PM

[quote author=errand link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=30#44 date=10/01/02 at 21:05:14]And the ball would have gone out of the end zone if the Ravens hadn't the foresight to leave McAlister back there. So frankly, your beef is with Mike for having Elam attempt a 57 yarder vs punting...it's not like Mike forgot we weren't in Denver was it?[/quote]

So the ball would have gone out of the end zone if it hadn't been caught by someone in the end zone?? Do you realize how contradictory that statement is??

Elam shanked that kick...

watermock · 10-01-2002, 09:15 PM

Billick was smart enough to put a return man back.

And Denver should of noticed that. Just like Poole should of noticed that he was the punt returner once Deltha got ejected. But that was Brians fault as well.

No1BroncoFan · 10-01-2002, 09:23 PM

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So frankly, your beef is with Mike for having Elam attempt a 57 yarder vs punting...

Let me spell it out for you. The cross-bar is high enough that a player in the end-zone would have to make an incredible, leaping play just to knock it down. Limp-leg Elam kicked the ball so short that the defender simply caught it. The ball only traveled 53 yards. If he can kick 70-yarders in practice (through the up-rights with a rush no less) then why didn't that one go out the back of the end-zone? You can hang that return on Elam, even if it doesn't make you look smart.

Ben

10-01-2002, 02:12 PM	#26
Midnight Blue EGIGB Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 162	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? You might not feel that way, Iowanian, if you constantly had opponents taking the field at the 35 or better because your kicker can't or won't kick into the end zone... personally, I rather think it's "can't" with Jason.... his 65-yarder was before the back injury.... but his performance in no way justifies a salary demand $.6 million higher than Vinatieri, who, IMO, earned his pay raise.

10-01-2002, 02:17 PM	#27
Mile High Shack Ring of Famer Cock-a-doodle-do Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 17,010	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? He shanked an easy 41 yard field goal.............he totally shanked a 57 yarder...granted it was a long one, but he wasn't even CLOSE. and that kickoff in the 2nd half.....dude caught it on the 15 yard line, that helped in getting them another 3 points...that's another 3 points we could've used back. Elam CAN NOT kick it in the endzone.....he was good for his time, but it's not like kickers aren't out there.

10-01-2002, 03:48 PM	#29
Iowanian Heeaaaaaaaaw Duke of Donkeyville Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: 1 Arrowhead Drive Posts: 1,990	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? [quote author=Blueflame link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=15#25 date=10/01/02 at 14:12:08]You might not feel that way, Iowanian, if you constantly had opponents taking the field at the 35 or better because your kicker can't or won't kick into the end zone... personally, I rather think it's "can't" with Jason.... his 65-yarder was before the back injury.... but his performance in no way justifies a salary demand $.6 million higher than Vinatieri, who, IMO, earned his pay raise.[/quote] BF..... Uh.....The Chiefs kicking situation has sucked for over a decade. Morton Anderson gets ahold of a KO once per game, but his kicks are low and occasionally short, which is resulting in some crappy Defensive Field position. I know plenty about the feelign of that. I do agree however, that 2 Mil is too friggin high for a kicker, and Vineteri is as good as Elam....and even he misses...he dinked one off a post In KC recently to lose a game.

10-01-2002, 04:09 PM	#30
defenseman Ring of Famer 2007 record pred. (7-9) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 9,232	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? First: Elam has been kicking em short correct? For a couple of years now, correct? Second: Elam DID NOT get showed the money, correct? He may not feel as comfortable in Denver as he used to. Third: He may say he's fine, But, I see him with a hammy problem as we speak. He's not as affective as he has been in the past, both kickoffs and recently field goals. Fourth: Special teams has continuously degraded over the last three weeks, correct? Well, I see a major problem on special teams,and IF not corrected WILL cost us at least one more game. Do NOT underestimate the value of field position. As far as elam, he's gone at the end of the season...dman In the mean time, IF he can't get it deep anymore, go get a damn kickoff specialist so he can get it deep. If they don't , we WILL lose another game due to special teams. SOLVE the PROBLEM, and move on...dman

10-01-2002, 04:30 PM	#32
MMM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 485	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? Interestingly, Elam cost us 13 points (6 in missed fgs, and 7 for the TD return). The difference in the game was 11 points. I can't really get too down on him though, he makes those more times than not.

10-01-2002, 03:21 PM	#28
FADERPROOF Bucknuts Colossus Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Eastlake OH Posts: 17,338	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? QB-takes the snaps and has a part of basically every offensive play, is blames for a loss, heralded for a win, and has guys anywhere from 225-350 pounds running at him in attempts to hit him and knock him in the dirt. K-out there for only FG, XPT's,and kickoffs. Only a few times a year will they come out to kick a last second FG, and when they miss it is when they get blamed for a loss. They have a rule that a defender cannot touch them or it is a penalty, and people still look for other reasons other than them to blame losses on. now, what pos. should get paid more again?

10-01-2002, 04:10 PM	#31
Midnight Blue EGIGB Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 162	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? [quote author=Iowanian link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=15#28 date=10/01/02 at 15:48:57] BF..... Uh.....The Chiefs kicking situation has sucked for over a decade. Morton Anderson gets ahold of a KO once per game, but his kicks are low and occasionally short, which is resulting in some crappy Defensive Field position. I know plenty about the feelign of that. I do agree however, that 2 Mil is too friggin high for a kicker, and Vineteri is as good as Elam....and even he misses...he dinked one off a post In KC recently to lose a game. [/quote] It wouldn't bother me a bit if KC signs Elam next year... as long as Dickie and Carl pay him his $2 million.... As I said, he's simply not the same kicker he was prior to his back injury... and he's not going to improve with age, either. Yeah, he's great at PAT's... and usually, he's "money in the bank" on 40-yd or less FGs... but last night's performance has me re-thinking whether or not I'll miss him when he's gone... and he used to be one of my favorite Broncos... before his outrageous salary demands and subsequent inflexibility. Now, I'm seriously wondering if we wouldn't have been better off keeping Kimrin.

10-01-2002, 04:39 PM	#33
Phantom Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 1,179	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? Elam is a very accurate kicker. His distance has been skewed statistics-wise because half of his kicks are a mile in the air. Thus he tends to struggle at FG on the road. If Elam is gonna miss some FGs at least it was during the "everyone play crappy" game and not when it will decide the winner in OT or something. Funny how when you near retirement you start to worry more about finances. Elam wants the bank because he knows his playing days are numbered - mounting injuries, etc. I agree with Dman - get a specialist for KOs. Shave one of these TEs who contribute 1 catch for 8 yards and sign a KO specialist who can contribute 60 yards by having 4 touchbacks instead of four decent returns for the other team.

10-01-2002, 05:03 PM	#34
Raiders Rock The Darkside RaidersKickAss.com Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 4,571	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? [quote author=clint7 link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=0#0 date=09/30/02 at 23:44:08]What was it? $2 million Elam wanted a year? Please.[/quote] Don't blame him, what kind of idiot coach sends a kicker out in the humid night heavy air to kick a 58 yarder? He can't kick like that without the thin air of Dungver Blame that on "THE RAT" RR

10-01-2002, 05:22 PM	#35
defenseman Ring of Famer 2007 record pred. (7-9) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 9,232	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? RR, you have to come here with an intelligent take. Not insensible babbling, try again pal............dman

10-01-2002, 05:57 PM	#36
HAT I think, therefore I ham. Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,721 Adopt-a-Bronco: Adam Weber	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? As much as it pains me.......I gotta agree with RR on this one. It was a terrible call sending the FG unit out there. 58 at sea level? Even if he makes it....it's 24-6 still a 3 score game. I understand that Mike was looking to get any sort of Mo' heading into the locker room, but if your kicker is only kicking it 65 yds off of a tee with no d-line in front of him........ Better off throwing the HM. For those that don't think BG could've got it there....fine...bring in SB for one play and let Lelie go for the jump ball.

10-01-2002, 06:03 PM	#37
Raiders Rock The Darkside RaidersKickAss.com Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 4,571	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? [quote author=HAT link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=30#35 date=10/01/02 at 17:57:56]As much as it pains me.......I gotta agree with RR on this one. It was a terrible call sending the FG unit out there. 58 at sea level? Even if he makes it....it's 24-6 still a 3 score game. I understand that Mike was looking to get any sort of Mo' heading into the locker room, but if your kicker is only kicking it 65 yds off of a tee with no d-line in front of him........ Better off throwing the HM. For those that don't think BG could've got it there....fine...bring in SB for one play and let Lelie go for the jump ball.[/quote] Exactly.... I am NOT doubting Elams ability as he is one of the best if not the best kicker in the game today. But this is Fall and the air is cool and damp and heavy at night time and much different than the air in Denver, as soon as he lined up for that kick I said it would be short in your chatroom here because of that Now I didn't know there would be a man in the endzone to catch it, but it appears Billick also knew that ball would not carry like the Broncos thought it would. RR

10-01-2002, 08:39 PM	#38
errand Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? [quote author=DenFan38 link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=15#18 date=10/01/02 at 12:30:08]this is what it comes down to, for Elam to be paid 2 million dollars like he wants, he would have to be the best K in the league. Now, would Vinateri made that 44 yarder? How about Akers? Think Longwell would've? Even Gramatica? Mare? I'd say yes to all of those. Comparing a K's salary to a QB's is just retarded.[/quote] Just curious...do you think Brian deserves to be the highest paid player in Broncos history...and do you think he deserves to be one of the NFL's highest paid QB's?

10-01-2002, 08:42 PM	#40
errand Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? [quote author=Taco John link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=15#19 date=10/01/02 at 12:45:22] I laughed? I'd love for you to show me where. I've been nothing but skeptical of our offensive line stretching back into last season. Are you inventing things so that you can be the lone ranger on this one or something?[/quote] You didn't "literally" laugh...but you and Mock and few others blasted my belief that the OL sucked when I was posting all those "on pace to allow 64 sacks" posts. You defended them by saying the line improved because we rediscovered our running game.

10-01-2002, 08:44 PM	#41
errand Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? [quote author=No1BroncoFan link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=30#38 date=10/01/02 at 20:41:23] How 'bout blasting him for not kicking a 53-yard FG THROUGH the end-zone. Piss on whether he makes it or not. If he ain't got the leg to sail a 53-yarder through the end-zone then maybe he ain't got enough leg period! He's starting to look just like Treadwell. Money from inside 40, flat-broke from 40+. Ben[/quote] Your b****ing about a kicker who misses from 53 yards out...and yet you defend a QB who can't throw 40 yards?

10-01-2002, 08:47 PM	#42
errand Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? [quote author=MMM link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=30#31 date=10/01/02 at 16:30:37]Interestingly, Elam cost us 13 points (6 in missed fgs, and 7 for the TD return). The difference in the game was 11 points. I can't really get too down on him though, he makes those more times than not.[/quote] If your allowed to say Elam was responsible for a 13 point swing...then what about Brian's 3 ints... 1st one set Ravens up for a TD. 2nd one was in red zone...that's 7 we should have had. 3rd one was under thrown in the end zone.....another 7 points we should have had. The way I see it Brian wins 21-13.

10-01-2002, 09:02 PM	#44
errand Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? A kicker of Elam's ability is worth $2 million...especially when the Broncos have offered a rag armed .500 QB $39 million.

10-01-2002, 09:05 PM	#45
errand Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? And the ball would have gone out of the end zone if the Ravens hadn't the foresight to leave McAlister back there. So frankly, your beef is with Mike for having Elam attempt a 57 yarder vs punting...it's not like Mike forgot we weren't in Denver was it?

10-01-2002, 09:05 PM	#46
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? Errand, this was a thread about Elam. It is so pathetic when you say "I only started two threads about SOB", when you take every thread into your personal obsession. It was lousy playcalling/special teams more than anything as far as I was concerned. If Elam felt good, and felt he could make a 58 yarder, then the coaches have to let him give it a shot. But it is the special teams coach that has to remind his players that it is a LIVE BALL, not Brian Griese. The very late FG try was also very stupid when we had a 4th and 1. Even if we got the ball back it would of been hail marys. Bad coaching, not Elams fault at all. I just find it astounding how Errand can turn each thread something about Griese. How about this Errand? We just make a thread for you for yourself to piss and moan and call him an overpaid drunk that is on his way to murdering people so we can just throw him in jail yesterday, and you can go circle jerk to yourself in a mirror.

10-01-2002, 09:09 PM	#47
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? What a kicker is paid has absolutely NO BEARING on what a starting QB is paid. If you would bother to look around, starting QB's average around 5 million per year, Griese is making 2.7 this year. It took 5 million just to buy out Bledsoes contract. FACT IS, New England is paying more in DEAD MONEY for Bledsoe than Denver is paying for Griese to play. Yet he is the "highest paid player in the league" I tell you what, I would rather pay Griese his money than that Gap Toothed Strahan Chunky Soup idiot that isn't doing anything more than Bertrand Berry is.

10-01-2002, 09:10 PM	#48
Midnight Blue EGIGB Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 162	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? [quote author=errand link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=30#44 date=10/01/02 at 21:05:14]And the ball would have gone out of the end zone if the Ravens hadn't the foresight to leave McAlister back there. So frankly, your beef is with Mike for having Elam attempt a 57 yarder vs punting...it's not like Mike forgot we weren't in Denver was it?[/quote] So the ball would have gone out of the end zone if it hadn't been caught by someone in the end zone?? Do you realize how contradictory that statement is?? Elam shanked that kick...

10-01-2002, 09:15 PM	#49
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	Re: Elam wants how many millions?!?!? Billick was smart enough to put a return man back. And Denver should of noticed that. Just like Poole should of noticed that he was the punt returner once Deltha got ejected. But that was Brians fault as well.

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