Elam wants how many millions?!?!?

[clint7]

What was it? $2 million Elam wanted a year?

Please.

[Taco John]

Exactly way too many millions...

OK, let me get this straight...

Elam misses 2 kicks (58 and 44 ) and because of that he's unworthy of 2 million...and yet,....oh, never mind.

[adabronco02]

UMMMM......  NO WTF did he think... He missed two feild goals. One returned for a TD...LMAO.  Well we overlooked them.

[watermock]

[quote author=errand link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=0#2 date=09/30/02 at 23:48:08]OK, let me get this straight...

Elam misses 2 kicks (58 and 44 ) and because of that he's unworthy of 2 million...and yet,....oh, never mind. [/quote]

Yes, never mind.

He shanked two field goals, one that was returned for a TD, and can't get the ball inside the ten yard line.

He could of been yelling "COVER THE KICK YOU IDIOTS" when he shanked it, but he was trotting off with his tail between his legs.

I don't know what side the kick went back thru, but my memory, remarkably thinks it was on the Bronco sideline.

Probably the worst play in Bronco history, and it sealed the game.

What were you saying about Elam Errand?

Our QB makes about 3 million. Fire away. Why not pay Elam just as much?

[Taco John]

errand?  Why be such a hypocrite?  Why is it that you complain that people make excuses for Brian, and you turn around and make excuses for every other facet of this team that goes wrong?  No matter how badly you want to make this loss all about Brian, it simply isn't.  This was a loss all over the field.  At least Brian showed that he can hang in there and put the team in a position to win this game. &nbspid he make some mistakes?  Yes.  Of course he did.  But he was the least of our problems out there.  

I can't tell you how refreshing it would be to see you start pointing fingers at other problem sources on this team to at least show that you are aware that there is more out there than quarterbacks.

[Adam]

Elam is worth every penny.  Believe me.  As a rival fan, the Broncos without a good kicker are much, much less formidable of an opponent.

Bad kicking will bring a good team to it's knees.

[Taco John]

Adam... He wants $2 million...

I don't think he's worth $2 million...

That's exactly $1 million for each missed FG tonight.

[Adam]

[quote author=Taco John link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=0#7 date=10/01/02 at 01:00:11]Adam... He wants $2 million...

I don't think he's worth $2 million...

That's exactly $1 million for each missed FG tonight.[/quote]

So what?  What's the salary cap at now?  Kickers are so undervalued it's ridiculous.  So many games come down to a last minute clutch field goal situation.  So many drives start at midfield because a kicker didn't have the leg to kickoff deep.

2 mill...what's that, the price of 2 back-ups?  As opposed to paying .5 Mill for some "prospect" from NFL Europe that hits about 50% of his field goals?  

Show him the money.

[No1BroncoFan]

Elam seems to be losing that "money" attitude. Inside 40-yards he still is, but outside that he's really dropped off. Add in the fact that a LOT of our opponents starting field position is because Elam can't (or won't) kick it deep...

Ben

[Midnight Blue]

Bad kicking will bring a good team to its knees.

Guess we saw that tonight... we certainly saw some bad kicking anyway. >

[Adam]

[quote author=No1BroncoFan link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=0#9 date=10/01/02 at 01:07:26]Elam seems to be losing that "money" attitude. Inside 40-yards he still is, but outside that he's really dropped off. Add in the fact that a LOT of our opponents starting field position is because Elam can't (or won't) kick it deep...

Ben[/quote]

Well if that's true then I can see it.  I haven't seen enough of Elam lately to know what he generally does.  But the Elam I've seen in years past was well worth the dough.

I just put so much value on that position.  Picture the Pats last year without Vinatieri.  He was like the mini-MVP of their season.  So many clutch kicks.  Without him all of the heroics of the team would have gone for naught.  They never would have even been in the Superbowl, let alone won it.

[Blue Crush]

Yeah thats true kickers really help with close games.
Yet Vinatieri is only scheduled to make 1.4 mil for next year as opposed to Elam wanting 2 mil a year.  And this injury of his is really making him look like a normal kicker!! The question is should he recieve that much money!?

[Midnight Blue]

Wasn't the offer Elam summarily rejected something like $1.8 million?
The way he kicked on national TV tonight, he'll be lucky to find any team willing to pay him even $1 million, especially if they also have to reserve a roster spot for a kickoff specialist.

[RadfordHS]

Can anyone even remember the last time he missed two in a game. This is not something that happens a lot for him. I think most of the team just played flat tonight.

Kinda like they all took drowsy medicine before the game.

So TJ, Elam isn't allowed to have a bad night, especially when the entire team has one?

And BTW, I didn't blame Brian for this loss....despite my grinning that there aren't any "Take that" or "Brian's the man" threads being started by the homers. I wonder why there aren't any of those today?

I told you our OL wasn't better than last year's model...you laughed and yet here recently your takes have been highly critical of the OL....oh and Brian has been sacked 15 times now in 4 games....and that isn't counting the numerous times he's been hit. And Mock thinks Salaam is going to be an all-pro....it is to laugh.

So you see, TJ...I do find fault with other areas of the team....but of course just like my takes about Brian...they usually get ignored or ripped.

Oh, and Elam missed two FG's...and you want his nuts in a sling, blaming him for not making a tackle on a missed FG return,...and yet, Brian throws THREE INT's...one that set up a Ravens TD...and the other two that thwarted Bronco TD's (red zone overthrow...and the end zone int).

Seems to me if your keeping score, it'd be Brian 21....Elam 13.

It would be different if we lost this game by 2 points and Elam missed the game winner. But to blast him because the entire special teams unit was napping?

He's not the special teams coach...and he's not the special teams captain either...he's a freaking kicker, and while he wasn't his usually reliable self last night, I fail to see why your pinning this one on a kicker who missed two FG's in a game we got beat by 11 points? What? You think getting beat 34-29 will magically wipe clean the abortion we witnessed last night?

And don't give me that 108 yrd return crap.....that wasn't Elam's fault. The entire special teams unit sucked all last night...or have you forgotten the other KO returns  that gave the Ravens decent field position...and you haven't mentioned that Elam saved a td by stopping one long KO return.

[FADERPROOF]

this is what it comes down to, for Elam to be paid 2 million dollars like he wants, he would have to be the best K in the league. Now, would Vinateri made that 44 yarder? How about Akers? Think Longwell would've? Even Gramatica? Mare?  I'd say yes to all of those.

Comparing a K's salary to a QB's is just retarded.

[Taco John]

[quote author=errand link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=15#15 date=10/01/02 at 07:00:53]I told you our OL wasn't better than last year's model...you laughed and yet here recently your takes have been highly critical of the OL[/quote]


I laughed?  I'd love for you to show me where.  I've been nothing but skeptical of our offensive line stretching back into last season.  Are you inventing things so that you can be the lone ranger on this one or something?

[clint7]

Agreed, DenFan38.

For $2 million a year, you should have had kicked two field goals through a playoff snow storm and the game winner at the Super Bowl within the past year. Well, Vinateri did that and he isn't asking/making that money. For $2 million a year, his kickoffs should go past the 10 yard line (so the freakin' return man isn't always running it back to at least the 35), he should make 40 yarders in pressure situations (I know he normally does, but he didn't last night...in a year that he is asking for the cash), and his 50+ attempts should come a little closer to the target than a dead duck in the air that lands well left and short in the endzone so it can be returned for a TD.

That's just my opinion if it was my $2 million to spend. I really like Elam, but I just think he's gotten a bit long in the tooth...and very short on the kickoffs to justify that salary....especially in a year coming up when Denver will be well above the salary cap.

$2 million on a kicker...I think not.

[Taco John]

I think you are off base here errand...  I don't think anybody is laying this loss entirely on the kicker...  Most people aren't nearly as polarized on issues as you are.  I think people are questioning Elam's asking price, which is legit, unless you live in the land where the only player on the team that can be questioned is the quarterback.

[clint7]

[quote author=Taco John link=board=News;num=1033447448;start=15#21 date=10/01/02 at 12:48:50]I think you are off base here errand...  I don't think anybody is laying this loss entirely on the kicker...  Most people aren't nearly as polarized on issues as you are.  I think people are questioning Elam's asking price, which is legit, unless you live in the land where the only player on the team that can be questioned is the quarterback.[/quote]

Bravo! Well said! Viva el Guapo!  

[Midnight Blue]

Just an observation here, but it seems to me that Jason has never fully returned to form since his back injury.

Considering that he's playing with an "attitude" this year over his unrealistic salary expectations, perhaps we should have kept Kimrin....

[Iowanian]

Try a few years with Todd Pederson, Stoyonovich, or Lynn Elliot kicking.......and then tell me that Elam isn't worth the Mon-ay.