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Old 07-20-2014, 05:36 PM   #176
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The US did a similar thing over Iran's air space. It's a bad thing but not a reason to start WWIII;

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Iran–Iraq War
Iran Air Flight 655 was an Iran Air civilian passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai that was shot down by the United States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes on 3 July 1988. The attack took place in Iranian airspace, over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, and on the flight's usual flight path. The aircraft, an Airbus A300 B2-203, was destroyed by SM-2MR surface-to-air missiles fired from the Vincennes.

All 290 on board, including 66 children and 16 crew, died.[1] This attack ranks seventh among the deadliest disasters in aviation history, tenth if including the 9/11 attacks, which includes ground casualties; the incident retains the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Persian Gulf and the highest death toll of any incident involving an Airbus aircraft anywhere in the world.[2] The Vincennes had entered Iranian territorial waters after one of its helicopters drew warning fire from Iranian speedboats operating within Iranian territorial limits.[3]

According to the Iranian government, Vincennes negligently shot down the civilian aircraft: the airliner was making IFF squawks in Mode III (not Mode II used by Iranian military planes), a signal that identified it as a civilian craft, and operators of Vincennes mistook for Mode II.[4]

According to the United States Government, the crew incorrectly identified the Iranian Airbus A300 as an attacking F-14A Tomcat fighter, a plane made in the United States and operated at that time by only two forces worldwide, the United States Navy and the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force. The Iranian F-14's at that time had no anti-ship capability.[5]

The US Navy had claimed that the Vincennes was defending itself in international waters at the time of the incident. Later disclosures would prove that the Vincennes had entered into Iranian waters and initiated hostilities. This was a key fact that was left out of the public inquiry led by Admiral Fogarty.
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Old 07-20-2014, 05:38 PM   #177
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BS the Vincennes had been dogged by Iranian gunboats leading up to the disaster. The Vincenes engaged and the retreated back to iranian waters. The Vincenes then shot down the plane.

Not like Iran didn't play a huge part in it. Hopefull Putin will pay out to the victims families like the USA did.

The USA also stepped up and admitted it, so there is that.
Lulz their system clearly recorded the commercial liner as such. An f14 would have a completely different signature. You're making excuses and the ish was clearly the fault of commander and crew.
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Old 07-20-2014, 06:00 PM   #178
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Lulz their system clearly recorded the commercial liner as such. An f14 would have a completely different signature. You're making excuses and the ish was clearly the fault of commander and crew.
Not saying it wasn't a huge mistake, but everything i said was true. That was how the incident unfolded.
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Old 07-21-2014, 09:41 PM   #179
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Old 07-22-2014, 02:51 AM   #180
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The question that that keeps coming up for me is why would Russia do this? They have zero to gain and everything to lose. It makes more sense that some entity that wanted to escalate the conflict did it and framed Putin. That leads to the question what is their agenda? Start WWIII is all I can come up with.
The downing of MH17 was not the goal it was side event in this conflict. Russian and its separatists need to ensure that had control over the air in eastern Ukraine to prevent the Ukraine air support from being the decisive edge in ongoing battles. The Russians can not put their Air Force in the area without being seen and giving away their hand. Giving the rebels SAMs and they achieve that goal at low cost to themselves.
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The Russians are putting some reasonably serious weapons in the hands of untrained, undisciplined, and unaccountable people. I'm actually somewhat surprised (and relieved) that they don't have a more professional proxy in Ukraine.
I don't believe for one moment that Russia simply 'turned over' this type of equipment. I'll guarantee there were Russian 'advisers' with the launcher. We do the same shiat btw.
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Old 07-22-2014, 08:02 AM   #182
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. You call her stupid, but she still knows more than your guy.
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Old 07-22-2014, 08:12 AM   #183
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The downing of MH17 was not the goal it was side event in this conflict. Russian and its separatists need to ensure that had control over the air in eastern Ukraine to prevent the Ukraine air support from being the decisive edge in ongoing battles. The Russians can not put their Air Force in the area without being seen and giving away their hand. Giving the rebels SAMs and they achieve that goal at low cost to themselves.

The interesting thing is the controlled US main stream press is doing all it can to beat the war drum.
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Old 07-22-2014, 08:45 AM   #184
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I don't believe for one moment that Russia simply 'turned over' this type of equipment. I'll guarantee there were Russian 'advisers' with the launcher. We do the same shiat btw.
The SA-11 SAM was most likely captured from the Ukrainians. I am sure they had no idea how to use it though. Some Russian probably trained them on it and did it very poorly.
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The SA-11 SAM was most likely captured from the Ukrainians. I am sure they had no idea how to use it though. Some Russian probably trained them on it and did it very poorly.
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. You call her stupid, but she still knows more than your guy.
Yeah. It's a shame she didn't see these Russians with the SAM from her kitchen window. She might have been able to warn somebody. She was probably busy, out back, whacking turkeys.
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Old 07-22-2014, 11:47 AM   #188
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Yeah. It's a shame she didn't see these Russians with the SAM from her kitchen window. She might have been able to warn somebody. She was probably busy, out back, whacking turkeys.
I knew a dumba $$ like you would say something like that. You don't even know who the pink puppy belli you're quoting.
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what, no asian girl has eyes that big. trust me, i know. she looks more like a mix to me or got a real good plastic surgeon.
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I knew a dumba $$ like you would say something like that. You don't even know who the pink puppy belli you're quoting.
Palin takes seven colleges to get one weathergirl degree and I'm dumb? And since you obviously worship the loud mouth, what's that say about you? You ever see her husband? He always has that look on his face like even he would be more than happy to see that mouth close every once in a while.

There's one person on Earth who has a good reason to adore Sarah Palin, and that's Dan Quayle. Up until she came along, he was biggest VP candidate joke in history.
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Palin takes seven colleges to get one weathergirl degree and I'm dumb? And since you obviously worship the loud mouth, what's that say about you? You ever see her husband? He always has that look on his face like even he would be more than happy to see that mouth close every once in a while.

There's one person on Earth who has a good reason to adore Sarah Palin, and that's Dan Quayle. Up until she came along, he was biggest VP candidate joke in history.
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The interesting thing is the controlled US main stream press is doing all it can to beat the war drum.
I haven't seen that. Do you have a source/link?
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Palin takes seven colleges to get one weathergirl degree and I'm dumb? And since you obviously worship the loud mouth, what's that say about you? You ever see her husband? He always has that look on his face like even he would be more than happy to see that mouth close every once in a while.

There's one person on Earth who has a good reason to adore Sarah Palin, and that's Dan Quayle. Up until she came along, he was biggest VP candidate joke in history.
. She still didn't say that thing you pick trying to pin on her. The fact is you still don't know who the phukc you're quoting phukctard.
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I haven't seen that. Do you have a source/link?
Watch the MSM and you will see there agenda. Their bias is not hard to figure out.
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. She still didn't say that thing you pick trying to pin on her. The fact is you still don't know who the phukc you're quoting phukctard.
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^^Sounds like Tiny Fey, but looks like Sarah Palin....
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