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Old 07-18-2014, 11:46 AM   #76
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We did the same thing to an Iranian commercial before... Let's not go Russian to judgement before we take a long look in the mirror.
Damn. I had forgotten about that. Yeah, but the Russians also shot down that Korean Air plane, so they're one up.
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Old 07-18-2014, 11:50 AM   #77
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We did the same thing to an Iranian commercial before... Let's not go Russian to judgement before we take a long look in the mirror.
That's, like, just your opinion, man.
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Old 07-18-2014, 11:53 AM   #78
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Interesting side note in Russia yesterday:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5598815.html
Wow. That's crazy. When I read it, I thought, "Oh, this is old news." But this is a new one (obviously).

What a crazy country.
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Old 07-18-2014, 11:58 AM   #79
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:27 PM   #81
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Old 07-18-2014, 01:41 PM   #82
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We have to close the Bosphoros straight. It's time to show Putin he will gain no advantage and his Navy will get no access to the open ocean from the Black Sea.
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Old 07-18-2014, 01:45 PM   #83
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We did the same thing to an Iranian commercial before... Let's not go Russian to judgement before we take a long look in the mirror.
Dude you would make a great Obama.
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We have to close the Bosphoros straight. It's time to show Putin he will gain no advantage and his Navy will get no access to the open ocean from the Black Sea.
So, Russian thugs shoot down a Malaysian airliner full of Europeans and we should declare war on Russia?

Damn! Being the worlds' police force is a biatch.
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Old 07-18-2014, 01:50 PM   #85
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The Iranian incident is only comparable because a plane got shot down. Iranian gunboats attacked some helicopters and the USS Vincennes went to engage. The followed the gunboats into Iranian waters as the engaged.

Then commercial aircraft along it's normal route got mistaken for an Iranian military plane and was shot down.

But Iran making trouble in the sea while they had commercial traffic above wasn't very smart.
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Old 07-18-2014, 01:52 PM   #86
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So, Russian thugs shoot down a Malaysian airliner full of Europeans and we should declare war on Russia?

Damn! Being the worlds' police force is a biatch.
So Hitler invades Poland? Why should we care? Sound familiar?
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So Hitler invades Poland? Why should we care? Sound familiar?
Pearl Harbor comes to mind.
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Old 07-18-2014, 01:56 PM   #88
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Also the treaty that is in effect on the straights gives Turkey the right to close the straight to military ships. It only says it has to be open for civilian ships. So tell me how that would be an act of war? Turkey has always said the passage of military ships is a favor, not something they have to do. So Rho please tell me how this is not a good move??
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Pearl Harbor comes to mind.
Just like when Kennedy tangled with the Russians/Soviets you have to show strength. Having Turkey close the straights to military ships (which is legal under the treaty that covers the straights) is a measured move.

It would be a great move for Obama to get Turkey to do it. It's legal and would deny Obama the strategic reason for wanting Crimea.

Cracks me up that this move to liberals turns into YOU WANT TO GO TO WAR WITH RUSSIA!
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Old 07-18-2014, 02:05 PM   #90
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So, Russian thugs shoot down a Malaysian airliner full of Europeans and we should declare war on Russia?

Damn! Being the worlds' police force is a biatch.
Who's the one the itchy trigger finger now. Where in that statement did you read war. Closing one strait is war. But Russian thugs shoot down airplane they get a free pass. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.
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Nukes in Cuba = Germany invades Poland - got it.
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Kiev, Ukraine (CNN) -- International monitors investigating the Malaysia Airlines crash in eastern Ukraine said Friday the team was not given full access to the site and was greeted with hostility by armed men guarding the scene.
"It basically looks like the biggest crime scene in the world right now, guarded by a bunch of guys in uniform with heavy firepower who are quite inhospitable," Michael Bociurkiw, spokesman for the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe team, told CNN's Christiane Amanpour.


"The perimeter is not secure whatsoever," he said. "They seemed to have put some tape up where we were standing. But, otherwise, it's very easy for anyone, really, to walk in there and tamper with evidence or debris. So a lot of work needs to be done. A lot of professional work, very very quickly."
Noah Sneider, a freelance journalist who visited the site, told CNN that debris was scattered over about 5 acres on a farm field. He reported seeing some victims still in their airliner seats wearing headphones.
"Especially prominent were headphones and tropical shorts, swimsuits, sandals, things people would take to a beach vacation," Sneider said.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/18/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1
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Old 07-18-2014, 02:19 PM   #93
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Kiev, Ukraine (CNN) -- International monitors investigating the Malaysia Airlines crash in eastern Ukraine said Friday the team was not given full access to the site and was greeted with hostility by armed men guarding the scene.
"It basically looks like the biggest crime scene in the world right now, guarded by a bunch of guys in uniform with heavy firepower who are quite inhospitable," Michael Bociurkiw, spokesman for the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe team, told CNN's Christiane Amanpour.


"The perimeter is not secure whatsoever," he said. "They seemed to have put some tape up where we were standing. But, otherwise, it's very easy for anyone, really, to walk in there and tamper with evidence or debris. So a lot of work needs to be done. A lot of professional work, very very quickly."
Noah Sneider, a freelance journalist who visited the site, told CNN that debris was scattered over about 5 acres on a farm field. He reported seeing some victims still in their airliner seats wearing headphones.
"Especially prominent were headphones and tropical shorts, swimsuits, sandals, things people would take to a beach vacation," Sneider said.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/18/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1
That reads like a horror story.
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Old 07-18-2014, 02:26 PM   #94
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It takes a pretty sophisticated set of weaponry to knock down anything from 30,000 feet.
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It takes a pretty sophisticated set of weaponry to knock down anything from 30,000 feet.
And a lot of permission to launch said weaponry.
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And a lot of permission to launch said weaponry.
No it doesn't. It's mobile air defense system and operational control is at the unit level. It is very possible to learn to operate the system in less then two week times.
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No it doesn't. It's mobile air defense system and operational control is at the unit level. It is very possible to learn to operate the system in less then two week times.
Do you type using a translator. If so which one because it's pretty good, not perfect but pretty good.
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Who's the one the itchy trigger finger now. Where in that statement did you read war. Closing one strait is war. But Russian thugs shoot down airplane they get a free pass. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.
I have yet to see one of your posts make any sense. You're living in your own little bubble.
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Also the treaty that is in effect on the straights gives Turkey the right to close the straight to military ships. It only says it has to be open for civilian ships. So tell me how that would be an act of war? Turkey has always said the passage of military ships is a favor, not something they have to do. So Rho please tell me how this is not a good move??
Were there Turks on the plane? Now it's Turkey's responsibility to punish Russia? Or they should do it because we ask them to? Why would we ask them that? You missed my point. Why is this our fight?
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Nukes in Cuba = Germany invades Poland - got it.
Not to mention, Germany declared war on us first.
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