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Old 07-03-2014, 09:28 PM   #76
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I agree that Ball stepping up is the biggest question mark for the offense.

I think Sanders will just slide right in and start making big plays. I mean big plays I think people don't realize that those plays where Decker gets caught, Sanders takes to the house. He's a full 10th of a second faster in the 40, which is a lot.
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Old 07-03-2014, 09:29 PM   #77
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You do see teams like the hawks constantly investing in RBs even though they have a top runner. It's just smart to do.

Hopefully Elway will find a rent a vet for some insurance when FA hit the street
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Old 07-03-2014, 09:42 PM   #78
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Running backs don't matter. Exhibit A: Adrian Peterson. Exibit B: Chris Johnson. They can be a nice compliment, but running backs are about as important as kick returners. They aren't going to be the reason your team wins the Super Bowl.
And as is blatantly apparent, Peyton Manning isn't the reason you win the Super Bowl.
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Old 07-03-2014, 10:39 PM   #79
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in the same token he isn't the reason you lose a Super Bowl either..


But he is the reason you get to the Super Bowl.
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Old 07-03-2014, 11:29 PM   #80
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Denver's RB's outperformed their opponents' in the Super Bowl last year...

Also, I like how people keep saying what the team needs to improve to be SB-caliber. Um, they made the Super Bowl rather easily last year. With half the team on IR. Did the Seahawks have a higher margin of victory all year? If not, then either the Broncos are a college team whose opponents sympathetically let set records and send their teams home in the playoffs, or the Super Bowl was more indicative of the volatile nature of football than an exposure of a team that blew out the rest of the league.

What does this team need to do to win it all? Don't snap the ball over the QB's head. Either that or win the coin toss. Seriously. Either of those things happen and the Broncos most likely win that game. It comes down to whether you choose to look at 18 games of evidence or 9 minutes of football that saw a team down 15-0 after a hugely embarassing first play in front of a raucous crowd cheering against them in the game with the most unique outside circumstances of the year.

The Broncos were the best team in the league on February 2nd this year. Then they choked. If the Seahawks and Broncos had traded all their players before the game Seattle still would have won.
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Old 07-04-2014, 02:15 AM   #81
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What does this team need to do to win it all? Don't snap the ball over the QB's head. Either that or win the coin toss. Seriously. Either of those things happen and the Broncos most likely win that game.
this is the biggest homer take I've ever read regarding anything ever
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Old 07-04-2014, 04:09 AM   #82
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Running backs don't matter. Exhibit A: Adrian Peterson. Exibit B: Chris Johnson. They can be a nice compliment, but running backs are about as important as kick returners. They aren't going to be the reason your team wins the Super Bowl.
This. The OP is obviously trolling, but what others have said regarding concern over the RB situation seems to disregard how much the need for RBs has declined over the last 10 years.

There really aren't any successful teams in the league that use the running game as a featured weapon. Those teams that rely on the running game feature a great defense and employ the running game because they don't need points.

Comparing the current RB stable to the 90s and early 00s is a complete waste of time.
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Old 07-04-2014, 06:07 AM   #83
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this is the biggest homer take I've ever read regarding anything ever
I hear you, yes, definitely.

However, I've been nursing my own theory about the first-play safety: We know Peyton is tense in big games (if we're honest we do), he's already gripping on his way outta the tunnel. I'm not saying we necessarily would have won had the safety not happened, but I believe things would have unfolded differently. Slower.
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Old 07-04-2014, 06:08 AM   #84
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To win a superbowl....

Elway better bring in a vet after cuts or do something, right now if this team rolls with Ball, CJ, and Ronnie Bustillman then this team and mannings neck are in big big trouble

Ball can learn alot, but unfortunately he has alot to learn about crunch time and big 3rd downs. His durability is unproven in the NFL. Shame on the front office thinking "high miles ball" is a proven rock toter in the NFL, this isn't the Big 10....

CJ Anderson has no clue what to do on passing downs and blitz pickup...


Ronnie Bustillman, wow, what a soft, weak runner, wouldn't surprise me if he gets cut. Gase is on record as a Non Fan....

You better get more legs Elway.....Not this thread in Mid October.

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Old 07-04-2014, 07:13 AM   #85
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Last year we talked about how pissed everyone was that McGahee was let go. Look how that turned out. I guess the broncos coaches and administration knows the players better than we do.
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Old 07-04-2014, 08:34 AM   #86
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That said TD was a special back with unique vision and excellent quickness and the speed to take it to the house. Peterson is now where near the quality back TD was in his prime.
You mean Peterson now, the 29-year old with a reconstructed knee, right?
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Old 07-04-2014, 08:56 AM   #87
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You mean Peterson now, the 29-year old with a reconstructed knee, right?
Yeah TD is in my top 3 favorite players of all-time and was my idol when I sucked at playing running back (needed to stick to defense ), but Peterson really is better in almost every single way.

Ironically, I think TD was a lot better at how he took hits at angles while Peterson is a heads-up, more violent rusher, yet TD was unfortunately the one with the shortened career
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I think the OP is right about the lack of depth, but way off about the quality of Ball as a starter. He was a better runner than Knowshon after the New England game. He needs to focus on only two things, ball security and playbook knowledge.

If we need to rely on a veteran RB, brought in during training camp, then the running game won't be fully integrated into the offense anyhow. I think it's Ball or bust, but perhaps CJ Anderson can prove his quality as well. I'm not sold on Hillman as anything other than a change of pace back with questionable decision making.
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I agree that Ball stepping up is the biggest question mark for the offense.

I think Sanders will just slide right in and start making big plays. I mean big plays I think people don't realize that those plays where Decker gets caught, Sanders takes to the house. He's a full 10th of a second faster in the 40, which is a lot.
They each have their strengths. Decker may have been slower but he was alot bigger. Would love to still h ave Decker here but he was going to get way too much money for a 2nd WR. I like where we are at with WR. We have a total top 5 stud in DT as our #1. Sanders can fill in for the #2 for now, he's lagit, he's not only straight line fast, he's got those shifty quicks too, and a good set of hands. He's ideal to move to the slot once we let Welker go next year. Hopefully Latimer improves and becomes that lagit #2. We'll be set with one of the top 3 WR groups in the NFL, if not the best.
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Somebody get Ricky Watters on the phone quick
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Hillman sucks btw
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Old 07-04-2014, 10:27 AM   #92
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And Elway sucks at drafting RBs he passed on Eddie Lacey for Ball that's a huge **** up
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Yeah TD is in my top 3 favorite players of all-time and was my idol when I sucked at playing running back (needed to stick to defense ), but Peterson really is better in almost every single way.

Ironically, I think TD was a lot better at how he took hits at angles while Peterson is a heads-up, more violent rusher, yet TD was unfortunately the one with the shortened career
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in the same token he isn't the reason you lose a Super Bowl either..
Yeah, but the year they won it was unknown Dominic Rhodes who tore apart the Bears defense in that monsoon....Addai played well that year, but Rhodes was the playoff monster....

As much as people love Peyton, he had a subpar superbowl in his "MVP" performance. The lone TD was a busted coverage on Reggie wayne and Rhodes and Addai had more yards in that game.

So, to the original poster, Peyton won the SB with a starting Rookie RB and an UDFA backup who played lights out in the SB.... just saying...

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Yeah, but the year they won it was unknown Dominic Rhodes who tore apart the Bears defense in that monsoon....Addai played well that year, but Rhodes was the playoff monster....

As much as people love Peyton, he had a subpar superbowl in his "MVP" performance. The lone TD was a busted coverage on Reggie wayne and Rhodes and Addai had more yards in that game.

So, to the original poster, Peyton won the SB with a starting Rookie RB and an UDFA backup who played lights out in the SB.... just saying...
Yeah, and what was probably more amazing was the 180 their run defense did in the playoffs. They were absolutely getting torched during the regular season and when Sanders came back for the playoffs, they were really good. Hopefully that elite level safety play happens for us too with Ward coming in.
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Yeah, but the year they won it was unknown Dominic Rhodes who tore apart the Bears defense in that monsoon....Addai played well that year, but Rhodes was the playoff monster....

As much as people love Peyton, he had a subpar superbowl in his "MVP" performance. The lone TD was a busted coverage on Reggie wayne and Rhodes and Addai had more yards in that game.

So, to the original poster, Peyton won the SB with a starting Rookie RB and an UDFA backup who played lights out in the SB.... just saying...

So would it be safe to say a QB like Elway or Manning can drag a team to the SB but it's takes a running game and good defense to win the game because the great QB play can be taken away somewhat by a SB quality defense.
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