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Old 06-26-2014, 02:20 PM   #26
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I am going expect ALOT more from D in 2014. As well as Fox Del rio and Gase no more excuses men.
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Old 06-26-2014, 03:00 PM   #27
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Yup. I don't care how good the defense is, or could have been last year. Our O did absolutely nothing in the biggest game of the year, how could an improved D help that?
Sure, you could argue better field position, but the way they played, even if we had the ball on the 50 we'd still go 3 and out more often than not.
the D could have helped by getting a stop somewhere, and forcing a punt in the first half. The D could have come up with a turnover somewhere.

possession wise, our D gave up the following:

9 play, 51 yard drive for a FG (1-2 on 3rd down)
13 play, 58 yard drive for a FG (3-4 on 3rd down)
7 play 37 yard drive for TD (1-1 on 3rd down)
4 play, 11 yard drive, punt (0-1 on 3rd down)
6 play, 58 yard drive for TD (1-1 on 3rd down)
5 play, 48 yard drive for TD (1-1 on 3rd down)

before Sattle took their foot off of the gas. during this run, Seattle was 7-10 on 3rd downs. one of these failed 3rd down attempts was 17 yards to go after a holding call on Okung. The other two failed 3rd downs resulted in FG's.

Our D never really got a stop. They got the Seahawks to bog down in the red-zone a couple times and they had holding called against them - that's pretty much all they did all game. This is the type of performance I was used to seeing back in 2008 - reminiscent of the Slowik era.

I'm not trying to pin the loss on the D at all, just sayin that when the O struggled, the D wasn't capable of pulling their weight. At all.
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Old 06-26-2014, 03:27 PM   #28
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the D could have helped by getting a stop somewhere, and forcing a punt in the first half. The D could have come up with a turnover somewhere.
Yup. O deserves more blame IMO, but anyone excusing the D is misremembering what happened in that game. D didn't get it done, either.
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Old 06-26-2014, 03:34 PM   #29
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**** the defense. It was solid. It was the offense that got b**** slapped senseless.
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**** the defense. It was solid. It was the offense that got b**** slapped senseless.
solid in all 43 points that the Seattle scored on us.. does beat the 8 that the offense scored... we can only go up from here..
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The banged up Defense help that embrassment of a Manning led offense stay in the game, it could have been completely out of hand in the first quarter.

Its good they got deeper, it was needed- but I'd hardly say they lacked mental toughness in the SB. It was called fighting for ones life, alot.
While true, they forced 0 punts, 0 turnovers, got 0 QB hits/0 sacks.

They did keep them in the game but it's overplayed how the defense played vs Seattle, hint it wasnt that great sans the run-D.
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Old 06-26-2014, 03:51 PM   #32
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solid in all 43 points that the Seattle scored on us.. does beat the 8 that the offense scored... we can only go up from here..
It was a ugly final score but if we had made it closer at the half it could have been a different game. The defense was down multiple starters so their issues were somewhat expected. The offense...
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Pretty sure thats a comment directed at people saying they're going for it now and dont care about the future.

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Old 06-26-2014, 03:54 PM   #34
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The banged up Defense help that embrassment of a Manning led offense stay in the game, it could have been completely out of hand in the first quarter.

Its good they got deeper, it was needed- but I'd hardly say they lacked mental toughness in the SB. It was called fighting for ones life, alot.
They lacked every kind of toughness there is. Who had the harder side of the Seahawks to play? If you want to rank blame for that game, 1. Fox 2. Defense 3. Offense

I truly hope they are deeper....and tougher. Hope Von is the 2011, 2012 Von, hope the DL is as meaty as last year and the new acquisitions pan out.
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**** the defense. It was solid. It was the offense that got b**** slapped senseless.
Read above, the defense was far from solid.

Seattle did anything they wanted on offense.

Obviously half the D on IR didnt help things but the defense didnt play as good as some seem to think.
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It was a ugly final score but if we had made it closer at the half it could have been a different game. The defense was down multiple starters so their issues were somewhat expected. The offense...
your right..I was hoping ..we just couldn't get it together...
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Absolutely no one is saying the defense didn't give up drives and couldn't get off the field on 3rd downs. But then again, this wasn't billed as the BEST DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL.

What the D did do, was hold their offense out of the end zone long enough for the best ever offense to get their **** together and put a ****ing drive together. The best offense in the history of the NFL couldn't do that.
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solid in all 43 points that the Seattle scored on us.. does beat the 8 that the offense scored... we can only go up from here..
actually, the D only allowed 27 (16 points were scored by Seattles defense and special teams).

27 isn't very good - extrapolated over the course of the season, that would have been the 26th rated defense.

But hey, it's not 43
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Old 06-26-2014, 04:30 PM   #39
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Our offense just needs to get their running game going. There is absolutely no need to be the most prolific offense ever. Fun to watch, but one-dimensional - and no matter how good that dimension is, will be taken advantage of by good teams when it matters. Manning was under constant pressure. I thought the first play of the SB should have been a running play. I groaned when we passed.. and of course, about cried when they scored almost instantly.

Defense needed shoring up badly. They were missing nasty. Skill.. sure. Nasty? Not really. Seattle wasn't even a little afraid of our defense.

And there were injuries. That absolutely had something to do with it. Injuries, lack of running game, tame defense. Fix that.. much better team. =)
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The D is definitely better. Demarcus Ware steps the D up quite a bit, getting some starters healthy, some nice additions on paper with TJ Ward and Talib (we'll see how they integrate). The D wasn't the problem in SB48, the problem was the offense couldn't overcome a 2-point deficit, didn't score a point until the 3rd quarter.
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The banged up Defense help that embrassment of a Manning led offense stay in the game
Seattle was 7/12 on 3rd down
the d forced 1 punt and 0 turn overs

the banged-up defense didn't help much at all
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actually, the D only allowed 27 (16 points were scored by Seattles defense and special teams).

27 isn't very good - extrapolated over the course of the season, that would have been the 26th rated defense.

But hey, it's not 43
true..
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Another piece or talk on "best on paper". Best coaches break those type teams and win on the field. We have a solid defense and there should be no excuse to lose a Super Bowl. Too many weapons to not do so.
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Absolutely no one is saying the defense didn't give up drives and couldn't get off the field on 3rd downs. But then again, this wasn't billed as the BEST DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL.
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Nope. But they made a mediocre Seattle offense look like one of the best ever.

As far as I'm concerned, it was a total team failure.

You fix what you can and go from there.
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Defense sucked
Offense sucked
John Fox sucked
Defense was less awful than the other two I guess

So theres that...
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In shorts and on paper I am not going to get overly excited with reports on how great the D looks. I can't take anything even a little serious until pads come on.
We'll know alot more about this team after the halfway mark when we've played almost all the NFC West games.

Let's just hope and pray we can avoid the PLAGUE of ****ing injuries this year. I don't give a damn what anybody says, you take ANY 7 starters from Seattle off the field and give us a fully healthy roster (like Seattle had) and that game has a very different outcome. PERIOD !!!!!!!!
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Absolutely no one is saying the defense didn't give up drives and couldn't get off the field on 3rd downs. But then again, this wasn't billed as the BEST DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL.
You can't be the BEST DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL when that honor was saved for the 2013 KC Chiefs.
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our running game is a huge reason we struggled last year....and we havent improved the position this year....hillman is worthless people just think fast equals good and im sorry the guy is 150lbs wet.....cj hasnt done anything outside of practice and until he does ill assume theres a reason for that....ball doesnt have the game breaking vision yet and no way to know if he ever will.....if we dont drastically improve running the ball we dont stand a chance to win the SB this year.....all that being said....our defense is gonna be epic this year.
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Regardless of who you wanna blame, the bottom line is this team has tried to make improvements to prevent another SB pratfall. Hopefully they have.....
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Our offense just needs to get their running game going. There is absolutely no need to be the most prolific offense ever. Fun to watch, but one-dimensional - and no matter how good that dimension is, will be taken advantage of by good teams when it matters. Manning was under constant pressure. I thought the first play of the SB should have been a running play. I groaned when we passed.. and of course, about cried when they scored almost instantly.

Defense needed shoring up badly. They were missing nasty. Skill.. sure. Nasty? Not really. Seattle wasn't even a little afraid of our defense.

And there were injuries. That absolutely had something to do with it. Injuries, lack of running game, tame defense. Fix that.. much better team. =)
Exactly, what did we think they thought we were going to do JOHN FOX? Pass of course. That's why they tore up our OL trying to get to Manning. I don't even think they cared about getting to Manning, just rattle him. Like Brady, he struggles when rattled and that's all they needed to do. But our offense had played very well all year. Our defense had not. Seattle had no reason to fear our defense.
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