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Old 06-26-2014, 03:27 PM   #26
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the D could have helped by getting a stop somewhere, and forcing a punt in the first half. The D could have come up with a turnover somewhere.
Yup. O deserves more blame IMO, but anyone excusing the D is misremembering what happened in that game. D didn't get it done, either.
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Old 06-26-2014, 03:34 PM   #27
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**** the defense. It was solid. It was the offense that got b**** slapped senseless.
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The banged up Defense help that embrassment of a Manning led offense stay in the game, it could have been completely out of hand in the first quarter.

Its good they got deeper, it was needed- but I'd hardly say they lacked mental toughness in the SB. It was called fighting for ones life, alot.
While true, they forced 0 punts, 0 turnovers, got 0 QB hits/0 sacks.

They did keep them in the game but it's overplayed how the defense played vs Seattle, hint it wasnt that great sans the run-D.
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Old 06-26-2014, 03:51 PM   #29
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solid in all 43 points that the Seattle scored on us.. does beat the 8 that the offense scored... we can only go up from here..
It was a ugly final score but if we had made it closer at the half it could have been a different game. The defense was down multiple starters so their issues were somewhat expected. The offense...
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Pretty sure thats a comment directed at people saying they're going for it now and dont care about the future.

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Old 06-26-2014, 03:54 PM   #31
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The banged up Defense help that embrassment of a Manning led offense stay in the game, it could have been completely out of hand in the first quarter.

Its good they got deeper, it was needed- but I'd hardly say they lacked mental toughness in the SB. It was called fighting for ones life, alot.
They lacked every kind of toughness there is. Who had the harder side of the Seahawks to play? If you want to rank blame for that game, 1. Fox 2. Defense 3. Offense

I truly hope they are deeper....and tougher. Hope Von is the 2011, 2012 Von, hope the DL is as meaty as last year and the new acquisitions pan out.
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**** the defense. It was solid. It was the offense that got b**** slapped senseless.
Read above, the defense was far from solid.

Seattle did anything they wanted on offense.

Obviously half the D on IR didnt help things but the defense didnt play as good as some seem to think.
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Old 06-26-2014, 04:12 PM   #33
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Absolutely no one is saying the defense didn't give up drives and couldn't get off the field on 3rd downs. But then again, this wasn't billed as the BEST DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL.

What the D did do, was hold their offense out of the end zone long enough for the best ever offense to get their **** together and put a ****ing drive together. The best offense in the history of the NFL couldn't do that.
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Old 06-26-2014, 04:16 PM   #34
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solid in all 43 points that the Seattle scored on us.. does beat the 8 that the offense scored... we can only go up from here..
actually, the D only allowed 27 (16 points were scored by Seattles defense and special teams).

27 isn't very good - extrapolated over the course of the season, that would have been the 26th rated defense.

But hey, it's not 43
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Old 06-26-2014, 04:30 PM   #35
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Our offense just needs to get their running game going. There is absolutely no need to be the most prolific offense ever. Fun to watch, but one-dimensional - and no matter how good that dimension is, will be taken advantage of by good teams when it matters. Manning was under constant pressure. I thought the first play of the SB should have been a running play. I groaned when we passed.. and of course, about cried when they scored almost instantly.

Defense needed shoring up badly. They were missing nasty. Skill.. sure. Nasty? Not really. Seattle wasn't even a little afraid of our defense.

And there were injuries. That absolutely had something to do with it. Injuries, lack of running game, tame defense. Fix that.. much better team. =)
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The D is definitely better. Demarcus Ware steps the D up quite a bit, getting some starters healthy, some nice additions on paper with TJ Ward and Talib (we'll see how they integrate). The D wasn't the problem in SB48, the problem was the offense couldn't overcome a 2-point deficit, didn't score a point until the 3rd quarter.
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The banged up Defense help that embrassment of a Manning led offense stay in the game
Seattle was 7/12 on 3rd down
the d forced 1 punt and 0 turn overs

the banged-up defense didn't help much at all
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Another piece or talk on "best on paper". Best coaches break those type teams and win on the field. We have a solid defense and there should be no excuse to lose a Super Bowl. Too many weapons to not do so.
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Absolutely no one is saying the defense didn't give up drives and couldn't get off the field on 3rd downs. But then again, this wasn't billed as the BEST DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL.
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Nope. But they made a mediocre Seattle offense look like one of the best ever.

As far as I'm concerned, it was a total team failure.

You fix what you can and go from there.
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Old 06-26-2014, 04:57 PM   #40
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Defense sucked
Offense sucked
John Fox sucked
Defense was less awful than the other two I guess

So theres that...
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Old 06-26-2014, 05:18 PM   #41
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In shorts and on paper I am not going to get overly excited with reports on how great the D looks. I can't take anything even a little serious until pads come on.
We'll know alot more about this team after the halfway mark when we've played almost all the NFC West games.

Let's just hope and pray we can avoid the PLAGUE of ****ing injuries this year. I don't give a damn what anybody says, you take ANY 7 starters from Seattle off the field and give us a fully healthy roster (like Seattle had) and that game has a very different outcome. PERIOD !!!!!!!!
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Absolutely no one is saying the defense didn't give up drives and couldn't get off the field on 3rd downs. But then again, this wasn't billed as the BEST DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL.
You can't be the BEST DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL when that honor was saved for the 2013 KC Chiefs.
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our running game is a huge reason we struggled last year....and we havent improved the position this year....hillman is worthless people just think fast equals good and im sorry the guy is 150lbs wet.....cj hasnt done anything outside of practice and until he does ill assume theres a reason for that....ball doesnt have the game breaking vision yet and no way to know if he ever will.....if we dont drastically improve running the ball we dont stand a chance to win the SB this year.....all that being said....our defense is gonna be epic this year.
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Regardless of who you wanna blame, the bottom line is this team has tried to make improvements to prevent another SB pratfall. Hopefully they have.....
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Our offense just needs to get their running game going. There is absolutely no need to be the most prolific offense ever. Fun to watch, but one-dimensional - and no matter how good that dimension is, will be taken advantage of by good teams when it matters. Manning was under constant pressure. I thought the first play of the SB should have been a running play. I groaned when we passed.. and of course, about cried when they scored almost instantly.

Defense needed shoring up badly. They were missing nasty. Skill.. sure. Nasty? Not really. Seattle wasn't even a little afraid of our defense.

And there were injuries. That absolutely had something to do with it. Injuries, lack of running game, tame defense. Fix that.. much better team. =)
Exactly, what did we think they thought we were going to do JOHN FOX? Pass of course. That's why they tore up our OL trying to get to Manning. I don't even think they cared about getting to Manning, just rattle him. Like Brady, he struggles when rattled and that's all they needed to do. But our offense had played very well all year. Our defense had not. Seattle had no reason to fear our defense.
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They should have said who cares what the offense does during the big game because this D will just win it anyways.
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our running game is a huge reason we struggled last year....and we havent improved the position this year....hillman is worthless people just think fast equals good and im sorry the guy is 150lbs wet.....cj hasnt done anything outside of practice and until he does ill assume theres a reason for that....ball doesnt have the game breaking vision yet and no way to know if he ever will.....if we dont drastically improve running the ball we dont stand a chance to win the SB this year.....all that being said....our defense is gonna be epic this year.
That is the way I see it too except I think Ball will step up. I expect him to be a beast this season and that is the reason we did not draft a RB (IMO)

I also have not given up on Hillman and CJ has sparked my interest.


I think we are going to have that solid running game we sorely need. If gase is the coach he needs to be he will make Manning lean on the running game more.
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The greatest offense of all time completely **** the bed when it mattered, so "on paper" musings do little for me now.
Manning looks better on paper than Brady Quinn.





We played all of these girly AFC teams all season. SD and NE in the playoffs. Got to the superbowl and BAM. They bullied us.

This year we will be playing SF and SEA in the regular season, 2 teams likely we will see in the superbowl if we make it. We will be ready this time for the noise and physicality.


How things look on paper does matter. We are all just butt hurt from the ass whooping we received in feb.
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Manning looks better on paper than Brady Quinn.





We played all of these girly AFC teams all season. SD and NE in the playoffs. Got to the superbowl and BAM. They bullied us.

This year we will be playing SF and SEA in the regular season, 2 teams likely we will see in the superbowl if we make it. We will be ready this time for the noise and physicality.


How things look on paper does matter. We are all just butt hurt from the ass whooping we received in feb.
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The running game was definitely a problem in the Super Bowl. Teams had luck with the run against the Seahawks when they went all out with their speed rushers. Denver had none.

I don't put all the blame on the RBs. The line, especially the left side, where we insisted on running, couldn't create a hole. Clark wasn't up to it and Beadles was never a very good straight-ahead blocker. Manram was rattled from the opening snap and probably played his worst game of the year.

I'll admit that it didn't help that Moreno was playing with banged-up ribs.

Personally, I'm still a little concerned. Clady's return should help a lot and I expect much more out of Ball this year, but CJ is still a question and I haven't seen Hillman do anything to justify being drafted at all - let alone in the 3rd round.
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