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Old 07-03-2014, 03:36 PM   #226
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They also don't count asset inflation, or energy. All they count is a "consumer basket of retail goods". Europe's economy is so bad that they are talking about more stimulus to "boost inflation", because they claim inflation is too low. That's coming to the US next.

Instead of no interest, Europe is trying to create negative interest. In other words, you pay the bank to keep your money.
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Old 07-03-2014, 06:04 PM   #228
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That's the Dem/Lib plan right there!
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That's the Dem/Lib plan right there!
No, that's the banker's playbook right there..

Bankers aren't R or D, hell, they're not even human. They're bankers.

If you're too toopid to realize that, there truly is no hope for you.
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Dozens of big U.S. corporations are considering leaving the United States in order to reduce their tax bills.

But they'll be leaving the country only on paper. They'll still do as much business in the U.S. as they were doing before.

The only difference is they'll no longer be "American," and won't have to pay U.S. taxes on the profits they make.

Okay. But if they're no longer American citizens, they should no longer be able to spend a penny influencing American politics.

Some background: We've been hearing for years from CEOs that American corporations are suffering under a larger tax burden than their foreign competitors. This is mostly rubbish.

It's true that the official corporate tax rate of 39.1 percent, including state and local taxes, is the highest among members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

But the effective rate -- what corporations actually pay after all deductions, tax credits, and other maneuvers -- is far lower.

Last year, the Government Accountability Office, examined corporate tax returns in detail and found that in 2010, profitable corporations headquartered in the United States paid an effective federal tax rate of 13 percent on their worldwide income, 17 percent including state and local taxes. Some pay no taxes at all.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert...b_5561994.html

America is a carcass. The plutocrats (financiers and banksters) perch on its bones and pick off what flesh they can find, but the money is in Chinese and Indian markets which outnumber America's ten to one. $32 trillion in offshore banks don't lie. Corporations are sitting on billions. Apple alone is estimated to be sitting on $140 billion. Why aren't they reinvesting in America? Within a hundred years, we'll be an economic side road. Our workers will be paid the Chinese equivalent. Education will be cut because it will no longer be economically feasible to educate people who you don't need to be educated. We will compete to buy products made for China, by the Chinese.

Money = Value, and corporations are people, my friend.

I'm surprised everybody doesn't see the math here. The world is grossly overpopulated. How do you turn that overpopulation into an economic asset? Volume, my friends. Uneducated masses getting paid on the cheap, just enough to keep buying cheap goods while spending lives in debt. Volume, baby!

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Old 07-07-2014, 12:32 PM   #231
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Old 07-07-2014, 05:49 PM   #232
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Nice graph BS. Considering most of those are "Mcjobs". A charge that many of you charged Bush with even though that was a complete lie.
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Number of times Obama has seen his "jobs council" = ? Times
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This coming from the fools that says "There is no spending problem in Washington."
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This coming from the fools that says "There is no spending problem in Washington."
So you're not going to deny the statement, viz., that you and your fellow Teabillies didn't discover the debt until after GeeDubya left office?

I figured not.
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So you're not going to deny the statement, viz., that you and your fellow Teabillies didn't discover the debt until after GeeDubya left office?

I figured not.
"Teabillies."
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not just spending LABF. taxes, unemployment, illegal immigration, Mideast instability, all didn't exist until that Kenyan took office
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So I'm curious my fellow WPR posters......

Now that Russia has openly admitted they are sending troops and tanks into Ukraine and is at war. Should the United States arm Ukraine? Are you opposed to the US providing military aide to Ukraine? If so why?

Keep in mind the United States, Russia, and Great Britain signed the Bupdapest Memorandum which said that all countries agreed to protect and recognize Ukraine's borders and security in exchange for Ukraine destroying it's Nuclear Weapons which they did.

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...ld-arm-ukraine
The US did not respect Ukraine's integrity last winter when our state department/CIA plunged the nation into a civil war.

The US intentionally destabilized Ukraine -- and this threatens the whole region. Ukraine is not the Balkans. Ukraine is critical to the stability of Europe.

So, why would the US stoop to such a dubious policy?

I'll give you one good answer -- to weaken Europe and the Euro -- and make the US dollar look more attractive to investors worldwide.

It's a desperate ploy to save the flagging dollar.

(And why is it flagging? Well, one reason is the Federal Reserve's attempts to save the big banks at the expense of the nation.

In short, the root of the Ukraine problem is here at home. MHG
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The US did not respect Ukraine's integrity last winter when our state department/CIA plunged the nation into a civil war.

The US intentionally destabilized Ukraine -- and this threatens the whole region. Ukraine is not the Balkans. Ukraine is critical to the stability of Europe.

So, why would the US stoop to such a dubious policy?

I'll give you one good answer -- to weaken Europe and the Euro -- and make the US dollar look more attractive to investors worldwide.

It's a desperate ploy to save the flagging dollar.

(And why is it flagging? Well, one reason is the Federal Reserve's attempts to save the big banks at the expense of the nation.

In short, the root of the Ukraine problem is here at home. MHG
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Who will be the first rightie to come in and say these numbers are false?

U.S. economy bounces back sharply

What a relief. The deep economic contraction earlier this year was temporary after all.

New data released Wednesday show the U.S. economy bounced back in the spring, growing at a 4% annual pace in the second quarter. That was even better than the forecast of 3% growth, according to a consensus of economists surveyed by CNNMoney.

Consumer spending, which alone accounts for about two thirds of U.S. economic activity, strengthened, as did exports to foreign countries and business investments.

American consumers spent more money on long-lasting goods like autos, appliances and furniture, while businesses invested more in technology and industrial equipment. Both can be seen as good signs that households and companies are more optimistic and investing in the future.

The Bureau of Economic Analysis also revised historical data, and the new numbers show the bad winter wasn't quite as bleak as last reported. The economy contracted at a 2.1% rate in the first three months of the year, as opposed to the decline of 2.9% reported last month. Meanwhile, the second half of 2013 was also stronger than originally reported.

The beginning of the year was marked by a disconnect in the economic data. Employers were hiring at their strongest pace in years despite the drop in GDP.

Now, economists are hoping the overall economy is back on track. A separate report released by payroll processing firm ADP (ADP) earlier Wednesday shows the private sector added 218,000 jobs in July.

"Businesses are not just spending on new equipment and structures, but manpower, too," said Sal Guatieri, senior economist at BMO Capital Markets.

On Friday, the Department of Labor will release its latest jobs report. Economists surveyed by CNNMoney predict that 230,000 jobs were added in July. If they're right, that will mark the sixth month in a row where the economy added more than 200,000 jobs.

The Federal Reserve is closely watching the data too. The central bank is in the process of winding down its stimulative policies and is expected to consider its first interest rate hike since 2006 sometime soon.

The second half of the year will determine which is the 'real economy,'" said Lynn Reaser, chief economist at Point Loma Nazarene University. "The Fed is betting on strength but needs to see more evidence, as do we all."

The task before the Fed is a delicate one. If the Fed hikes rates too soon, it could hinder economic growth. If it waits too long, inflation may rise too quickly. Most economists expect the first rate increase to occur in the spring or summer of 2015.

The Fed's top officials will issue their latest policy statement later Wednesday. Fed watchers expect little news, aside from another $10 billion cut in bond purchases. The central bank has been gradually reducing, or tapering, its monthly bond purchases since January.

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The 2nd Qtr has performed pretty much as predicted.

The partisan 'hair's on fire' reaction to the 1st Qtr performance is typical here.
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Dem/Lib math.
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Kind of like healthcare, the U.S. economy is great as long as you don't live here.
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the US announced a 4% growth rate for the 2nd quarter.

Is this credible?

PCR says no -- it's another smokescreen -- more funny numbers

Check it out
http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingwor...g_Roberts.html
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They also don't count asset inflation, or energy. All they count is a "consumer basket of retail goods". Europe's economy is so bad that they are talking about more stimulus to "boost inflation", because they claim inflation is too low. That's coming to the US next.

Instead of no interest, Europe is trying to create negative interest. In other words, you pay the bank to keep your money.
You certainly have to wonder about those negative interest rates.

One expert, however, James Rickards, is very optimistic about the Euro, the zone and Europe's future, probably because the Germans are leading the continent's economy.

Check out his book THE DEATH OF MONEY

I gave it one star at Amazon because of his vacuous first chapter -- but the rest of it is solid, IMO.

If Rickards is correct about Europe's basic soundness -- this certainly explains the US policy in Ukraine. US sanctions will have a devastating effect on Europe. Can't understand why Merkel is going along. Is she being paid off? Or blackmailed?

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