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Old 09-11-2014, 10:58 AM   #1
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9/11 After 13 years

By Paul Craig Roberts

September 11, 2014 "ICH"
- - The tragedy of September 11, 2001, goes far beyond the deaths of those who died in the towers and the deaths of firefighters and first responders who succumbed to illnesses caused by inhalation of toxic dust. For thirteen years a new generation of Americans has been born into the 9/11 myth that has been used to create the American warfare/police state.

The corrupt Bush and Obama regimes used 9/11 to kill, maim, dispossess and displace millions of Muslims in seven countries, none of whom had anything whatsoever to do with 9/11.

A generation of Americans has been born into distain and distrust of Muslims.

A generation of Americans has been born into a police state in which privacy and constitutional protections no longer exist.

A generation of Americans has been born into continuous warfare while needs of citizens go unmet.

A generation of Americans has been born into a society in which truth is replaced with the endless repetition of falsehoods.

According to the official story, on September 11, 2001, the vaunted National Security State of the World’s Only Superpower was defeated by a few young Saudi Arabians armed only with box cutters. The American National Security State proved to be totally helpless and was dealt the greatest humiliation ever inflicted on any country claiming to be a power.

That day no aspect of the National Security State worked. Everything failed.

The US Air Force for the first time in its history could not get intercepter jet fighters into the air.

The National Security Council failed.

All sixteen US intelligence agencies failed as did those of America’s NATO and Israeli allies.

Air Traffic Control failed.

Airport Security failed four times at the same moment on the same day. The probability of such a failure is zero.

If such a thing had actually happened, there would have been demands from the White House, from Congress, and from the media for an investigation. Officials would have been held accountable for their failures. Heads would have rolled.

Instead, the White House resisted for one year the 9/11 families’ demands for an investigation. Finally, a collection of politicians was assembled to listen to the government’s account and to write it down. The chairman, vice chairman, and legal counsel of the 9/11 Commission have said that information was withheld from the commission, lies were told to the commission, and that the commission “was set up to fail.” The worst security failure in history resulted in not a single firing. No one was held responsible.

Washington concluded that 9/11 was possible because America lacked a police state.

The PATRIOT Act, which was awaiting the event was quickly passed by the congressional idiots. The Act established executive branch independence of law and the Constitution. The Act and follow-up measures have institutionalized a police state in “the land of the free.”

Osama bin Laden, a CIA asset dying of renal failure, was blamed despite his explicit denial. For the next ten years Osama bin Laden was the bogyman that provided the excuse for Washington to kill countless numbers of Muslims. Then suddenly on May 2, 2011, Obama claimed that US Navy SEALs had killed bin Laden in Pakistan. Eyewitnesses on the scene contradicted the White House’s story. Osama bin Laden became the only human in history to survive renal failure for ten years. There was no dialysis machine in what was said to be bin Laden’s hideaway. The numerous obituaries of bin Laden’s death in December 2001 went down the memory hole. And the SEAL team died a few weeks later in a mysterious helicopter crash in Afghanistan. The thousands of sailors on the aircraft carrier from which bin Laden was said to have been dumped into the Indian Ocean wrote home that no such burial took place.

The fairy tale story of bin Laden’s murder by Seal Team Six served to end the challenge by disappointed Democrats to Obama’s nomination for a second term. It also freed the “war on terror” from the bin Laden constraint. Washington wanted to attack Libya, Syria, and Iran, countries in which bin Laden was known not to have organizations, and the succession of faked bin Laden videos, in which bin Laden grew progressively younger as the fake bin Laden claimed credit for each successive attack, had lost credibility among experts.

Watching the twin towers and WTC 7 come down, it was obvious to me that the buildings were not falling down as a result of structural damage. When it became clear that the White House had blocked an independent investigation of the only three steel skyscrapers in world history to collapse as a result of low temperature office fires, it was apparent that there was a coverup.

After 13 years people at home and abroad find the government’s story less believable.

The case made by independent experts is now so compelling that mainstream media has opened to it. Here is Richard Gage of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth on C-SPAN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zbv2SvBEec#t=23

After years of persistence a group in New York has secured the necessary number of valid signatures to put on the ballot a vote to investigate the cause of the collapse of the three WTC buildings. The official account, if correct, means that existing fire and building codes are insufficient to protect the public and that all other steel high rise structures are subject to the same failure. The group has been clever to frame the issue in terms of public safety and not in terms of 9/11 truth.

New York authorities, of course, continue to oppose the initiative. The question now rests on a judge’s ruling. It is difficult to imagine a judge going against the government in such a major way, but the group will have made the point that the government has no confidence in the truth of its own story.

Over these 13 years, physicists, chemists, architects, engineers, and first responders have provided massive evidence that completely disproves the official account of the failure of the three skyscrapers. The response to experts has been for non-experts to call experts “conspiracy theorists.” In other words, the defenders of the government’s story have no scientific or factual basis on which to stand. So they substitute name-calling.

9/11 was used to fundamentally alter the nature of the US government and its relationship to the American people. Unaccountable executive power has replaced due process and the checks and balances established by the US Constitution. In the name of National Security, executive power knows no restraints. Essentially, Americans today have no rights if the government targets them.

Those Americans born after 9/11 were born into a different country from the rest of us. Having never experienced constitutional government, they will not know what they have lost.

The anthrax attacks of October 2001 have been forgotten, but Professor Graeme MacQueen in The 2001 Anthrax Deception (Clarity Press, 2014) shows that the anthrax attacks played an essential role in setting the stage for the government’s acquisition of unaccountable police state power. Two Democratic Senate committee chairmen, Thomas Daschle and Patrick Leahy, were disturbed by the Bush regime’s overreach for carte blanche power, and were in a position to block the coming police state legislation and the ability of the executive branch alone to take America to war.

Both senators received anthrax letters, as did major news organizations. The TV network news anchors, such as Dan Rather, who compared the collapse of WTC skyscrapers to buildings brought down by controlled demolition, had not yet been fired by Republicans on framed-up charges.

Initially, the anthrax letters, which caused the deaths of some USPS employees, were seen as the second stage of the 9/11 attack. Fear multiplied. The senators and media shut up. Then it was discovered that the anthrax was a unique kind produced only by a US government military facility.

The response to this monkey wrench thrown into the government’s propaganda, was the FBI’s frame-up of a dead man, Bruce Edwards Ivins, who had been employed in the military lab that produced the anthrax and was driven to suicide by the false charges. The dead man’s colleagues did not believe one word of the government’s false story, and nothing in the dead man’s past indicated any motive or instability that would have led him to such a deed.

Initially, the US government tried to frame up Steven Jay Hatfill, but despite the best efforts of the New York Times and Nicholas Kristof the attempt to frame Hatfill failed. Hatfill received $5 million from the US government for the false accusation that ruined his life. So the corrupt US government moved on to Ivins.

Ivins was dead and couldn’t defend himself, but his colleagues did.

The entire episode stinks to high heaven. Justice is something that exists outside the borders of the United States. Never expect to find justice within the United States.

Most Americans are unaware of the extent to which the federal government owns the experts who can contradict its fairy tales. For example, no competent physicist can possibly believe the official story of the destruction of the three WTC buildings. But physics departments in US universities are heavily dependent on federal money. Any physicist who speaks his mind jeopardizes not only his own career but also the career of all of his colleagues. Physicist Steven Jones, who first pointed to the use of thermite in the destruction of the two towers had to agree to having his university buy out his tenure or his university was faced with losing all federal financing.

The same constraints operate in the private sector. High rise architects and structural engineers who express doubts about the official explanation of the collapse of three skyscrapers are viewed by potential clients as Muslim apologists and conspiracy kooks. The clients, of course, have no expert knowledge with which to assess the issue, but they are indoctrinated with ceaseless, endless, repetition that 9/11 was Osama bin Laden’s attack on America. Their indoctrination makes them immune to facts.

The 9/11 lie has persisted for 13 years. Millions of Muslims have paid for this lie with their lives, the destruction of their families, and with their dislocation. Most Americans remain comfortable with the fact that their government has destroyed in whole or part seven countries based on a lie Washington told to cover up an inside job that launched the crazed neoconservatives’ drive for Washington’s World Empire.

Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following. Roberts' latest books are The Failure of Laissez Faire Capitalism and Economic Dissolution of the West and How America Was Lost.
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Old 09-11-2014, 11:06 AM   #2
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Ro is still in deep denial.
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Instead, the White House resisted for one year the 9/11 families’ demands for an investigation. Finally, a collection of politicians was assembled to listen to the government’s account and to write it down. The chairman, vice chairman, and legal counsel of the 9/11 Commission have said that information was withheld from the commission, lies were told to the commission, and that the commission “was set up to fail.” The worst security failure in history resulted in not a single firing. No one was held responsible.
I'd like to believe that most Americans could at least agree that an independent investigation is needed.
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Ro and Wags, I lurk a lot and am struck at your usual level headed-ness. Its why I am so surprised that you so adamantely believe the most ludicrous conspiracy theory of all, that being the official version of events.

Why are you okay with WTC 7 collapsing in controlled demolishion fashion? Let's forget about the Trade Towers. If something is amiss with WTC 7 then the whole day is in question.

The questions that need to be asked are who had the means to pull this off? Although so very simple on the surface, it is not nearly as simple as you must believe. Who had the means to confuse/render impotent our air defense systems as an example. It was just a perfect storm of epic failures that allowed this to happen? You strike me as smarter than that.

And I hope you don't think the plane that hit the Pentagon disintegrated. Again, I would think you are smarter than that. You believe the landing gear and or the engines punctured 3 rings of the Pentagon but yet the rest of the plane disintegrated?

Do you ever go back and watch eyewitness accounts from that day, immediately after it happened? To me that is some of the most credible evidence and much of it doesn't jive with the official version.

What about William Rodriquez? You find such an average man to be a complete and utter fraud willing to continue on with his lies yet repeat those lies over and over again without the story changing?

And then you look at what has happened to our country as well as the Middle East and you don't connect the dots that what is happening today is the plan kickstarted by 9/11?

Do you just disregard the mission statement of PNAC? You trust our gov't that much?
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Ro and Wags, I lurk a lot and am struck at your usual level headed-ness. Its why I am so surprised that you so adamantely believe the most ludicrous conspiracy theory of all, that being the official version of events.

Why are you okay with WTC 7 collapsing in controlled demolishion fashion? Let's forget about the Trade Towers. If something is amiss with WTC 7 then the whole day is in question.

The questions that need to be asked are who had the means to pull this off? Although so very simple on the surface, it is not nearly as simple as you must believe. Who had the means to confuse/render impotent our air defense systems as an example. It was just a perfect storm of epic failures that allowed this to happen? You strike me as smarter than that.

And I hope you don't think the plane that hit the Pentagon disintegrated. Again, I would think you are smarter than that. You believe the landing gear and or the engines punctured 3 rings of the Pentagon but yet the rest of the plane disintegrated?

Do you ever go back and watch eyewitness accounts from that day, immediately after it happened? To me that is some of the most credible evidence and much of it doesn't jive with the official version.

What about William Rodriquez? You find such an average man to be a complete and utter fraud willing to continue on with his lies yet repeat those lies over and over again without the story changing?

And then you look at what has happened to our country as well as the Middle East and you don't connect the dots that what is happening today is the plan kickstarted by 9/11?

Do you just disregard the mission statement of PNAC? You trust our gov't that much?
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...ecture/4278874

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.asp

I suggest you read up on the reliability of eyewitness testimony.

911 was not a product of PNAC, although the neocons used it to manipulate the public in furtherance of their ideological policies. 911 was the product of blowback; the result of years of U.S. intervention in Egypt, Iran, Afghanistan and elsewhere. I suggest reading The Looming Towers by Lawrence Wright to get a good picture of where Al Queda came from and how our intelligence apparatus completely failed us, as it has so many times in the past. Far from being nefarious and Machiavellian, they are usually inept and misguided.

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What about him?
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...ecture/4278874

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.asp

I suggest you read up on the reliability of eyewitness testimony.

911 was not a product of PNAC, although the neocons used it to manipulate the public in furtherance of their ideological policies. 911 was the product of blowback; the result of years of U.S. intervention in Egypt, Iran, Afghanistan and elsewhere. I suggest reading The Looming Towers by Lawrence Wright to get a good picture of where Al Queda came from and how our intelligence apparatus completely failed us, as it has so many times in the past. Far from being nefarious and Machiavellian, they are usually inept and misguided.
I appreciate the response. Your comment about eyewitness testimony, I assume that goes both ways? There were witnesses who said the plane at the Pentagon was small (fighter jet perhaps) while others claimed it was a full jetliner.

Eyewitnesses claiming explosions in the basement of the WTC. Firefighters perplexed at explosions throughout the building. Many, many people that were there don't buy the official version.

Sorry, but your Snopes link is irrelavant. There is nothing in there of substance. Don't you agree that the gov't could erase all doubt by releasing 3 or 4 seconds of surveillance video showing the plane hit? You do acknowledge that such sureveillance video must have existed at some point.

As for Popular Mechanics, there are well know conflicts of interest so I wouldn't put much faith in what they publish. Did they conduct an independent investigation or are they just regurgitating the findings of the NIST? So WTC 7 was the only building in all of Manhatten to be ignited by the falling of the Towers? Those fires in the towers were extinguished once the collapse began. Its nonsensical.
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Is he credible? Or a loon?
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And how do you answer to the actions of our gov't post 9/11? You don't find the two neatly tied together?
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I believe you can find many answers to your questions here: http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=64

This is a forum dedicated to 911 conspiracy theories and many of the posters are engineers, fire fighters, police, academics, etc.

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And how do you answer to the actions of our gov't post 9/11? You don't find the two neatly tied together?
If you mean intervention, invasion, meddling, and generally mucking about, the U.S. government hasn't engaged in any behavior since 911 that it wasn't engaging in for many decades prior to 911.

Carl Sagan said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

Here's the basic story: On 911, 19 Arab hijackers, using the crudest weapons, were able to bypass a flimsy U.S. security system and hijack 4 commercial aircraft which they then used to carry out suicide terror attacks.

The troofer concept is that hundreds, if not thousands of Americans (which is what it would take for such a demolition conspiracy), at the behest of unnamed shadowy figures in American intelligence, the government, Mossad, or whatever, and using unknown technologies (not to mention making airplanes full of people disappear) engaged in traitorous acts against their own country in order to create an excuse to invade Iraq.

Those are extraordinary claims. I see no extraordinary evidence.
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William Rodriguez was probably the last person out of the towers before the collapse. He saved numerous people -- then ducked under a fire engine as the collapse happened. He was lucky to survive.

He was feted at the White House as a hero. Later, he gave two hours of testimony to the 9/11 Commission, not one word of which appeared in the 9/11 Commission Report.

When Rodriguez realized that the commission was a cover up - he began to speak out about in public, about what happened in the north tower.

He and his fellow janitors described an enormous explosion in the basement of the N Tower. The blast came from down below -- BEFORE the impact of AA 11, which was also felt high up in the tower.

The seismological paper by French geophysicist Andre Rousseau supports Rodriguez's testimony --

The seismic data is physical evidence, and it supports the eyewitnesses -- and this makes a mockery of Ro's pigheadedness. And other idiots like him.

BTW, falling buildings do not generate seismic signals -- the seismic signals were were caused by huge explosions in the WTC basements.

Here's the link to Rousseau's key paper. I've posted it before -- but the knee jerks refuse to look at anything that challenges their world view. MHG

http://www.journalof911studies.com/r...vember2012.pdf
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If you mean intervention, invasion, meddling, and generally mucking about, the U.S. government hasn't engaged in any behavior since 911 that it wasn't engaging in for many decades prior to 911.

Carl Sagan said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

Here's the basic story: On 911, 19 Arab hijackers, using the crudest weapons, were able to bypass a flimsy U.S. security system and hijack 4 commercial aircraft which they then used to carry out suicide terror attacks.

The troofer concept is that hundreds, if not thousands of Americans (which is what it would take for such a demolition conspiracy), at the behest of unnamed shadowy figures in American intelligence, the government, Mossad, or whatever, and using unknown technologies (not to mention making airplanes full of people disappear) engaged in traitorous acts against their own country in order to create an excuse to invade Iraq.

Those are extraordinary claims. I see no extraordinary evidence.
No, Ro has it backwards.

Carl Sagan's famous line well applies to the WTC collapse. Until 9/11 no steel frame building had EVER collapsed due to office fires. Nor has any since.

Yet we are told that three such collapses happened on 9/11. This is an extraordinary claim -- yet it has never been backed up by any of the official reports, all of which were cover ups.

Were Sagan here with us today -- he would be demanding a REAL investigation based on science -- not politics.
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And how do you answer to the actions of our gov't post 9/11? You don't find the two neatly tied together?
You can file that under "never let a crisis go to waste".
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You can file that under "never let a crisis go to waste".
Like the Patriot Act in hand before 9/11?
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Carl Sagan said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
Thats an excellent quote. Unfortuantely, every piece of evidence troofers have is, in their minds, beyond extraordinary.
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No, Ro has it backwards.

Carl Sagan's famous line well applies to the WTC collapse. Until 9/11 no steel frame building had EVER collapsed due to office fires. Nor has any since.

Yet we are told that three such collapses happened on 9/11. This is an extraordinary claim -- yet it has never been backed up by any of the official reports, all of which were cover ups.

Were Sagan here with us today -- he would be demanding a REAL investigation based on science -- not politics.
The architecture of the WTC was the same as, say, the Empire State Building (another "steel frame building")? Tell me more.
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Thats an excellent quote. Unfortuantely, every piece of evidence troofers have is, in their minds, beyond extraordinary.
I'm waiting until we get to the part where Flight 93 didn't crash in Pennsylvania, but landed at a secret base where all the passengers were then...? I'm not sure what. I guess it depends on the favored scenario.
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The architecture of the WTC was the same as, say, the Empire State Building (another "steel frame building")? Tell me more.
We've already covered this in the past in exhaustive detail. The two were very different architecturally.

The Empire state building was the old style steel frame structure -- while the WTC was a new design -- made possible by a breakthrough in hardened steel beams -- which allowed the new design.

The WTC was incredibly robust -- a state of the art structure. It was designed to survive commercial plane impacts -- and fires. And it did.

Neither could have brought the towers down. The only thing that could, and did, was explosives. MHG
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We've already covered this in the past in exhaustive detail. The two were very different architecturally.

The Empire state building was the old style steel frame structure -- while the WTC was a new design -- made possible by a breakthrough in hardened steel beams -- which allowed the new design.

The WTC was incredibly robust -- a state of the art structure. It was designed to survive commercial plane impacts -- and fires. And it did.

Neither could have brought the towers down. The only thing that could, and did, was explosives. MHG
And of course, you can produce manifests or some sort of documentation for the miles of det-cord and mega-tons of explosives that were used, not to mention the names and scheduling histories for the hundreds of demolition experts that would have been required to carry off the largest demolition in world history. And think of the collusion required to wire the two towers! Dozens of security people, not to mention thousands of workers who would have seen nothing? Right? I'm sure those hundreds of demo men ate somewhere. Somebody would have records for meals purchased. Taxi rides? Hotel rooms? All demolition equipment is closely tracked from its manufacture to its eventual use. All we need are a few hundred receipts. That shouldn't be a big deal. How about one? Or maybe reports of equipment stolen from secure sites? Military requisitions? Anything?
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I'm waiting until we get to the part where Flight 93 didn't crash in Pennsylvania, but landed at a secret base where all the passengers were then...? I'm not sure what. I guess it depends on the favored scenario.
Thats the beauty of it all. Reality and truth have many possibilities and are only held back by our imagination! Yay!
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@MplsBronco,

I believe you can find many answers to your questions here: http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=64

This is a forum dedicated to 911 conspiracy theories and many of the posters are engineers, fire fighters, police, academics, etc.

Happy reading!
Wow!

I'll bet there's a buck to be made in that racket - not unlike climate change denial.
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