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Old 06-19-2014, 07:10 PM   #26
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About 130 years ago a great american commented that the only problem with politicians is that there are too few of them hung. I think there is nothing new with the current crop of criminals. We just tolerate more of their crimes.
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Old 06-19-2014, 07:36 PM   #27
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So, getting out of Iraq was a worse mistake than going in? lol. And you expect to be taken seriously?
Yeah that whole Colin Powell "You break it, you own it" thing on Iraq was 100% BS.

Best thing is to break it and then wander off whistling like you're not sure how it happened. Then act shocked and outraged that it did. Swangin' it Smart Power style. Gooooooooobama!

He is cute though. I can sorta see why you're so spellbound.
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Old 06-19-2014, 07:51 PM   #28
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http://sullivanarchives.theatlantic....e.html#6398404

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. The chilling aspect of the news in the New York Times today is that the terrorists clearly have access to the kind of anthrax that could be used against large numbers of civilians. My hopes yesterday that this was a minor attack seem absurdly naive in retrospect. So they are warning us and testing us. At this point, it seems to me that a refusal to extend the war to Iraq is not even an option. We have to extend it to Iraq. It is by far the most likely source of this weapon; it is clearly willing to use such weapons in the future; and no war against terrorism of this kind can be won without dealing decisively with the Iraqi threat. We no longer have any choice in the matter. Slowly, incrementally, a Rubicon has been crossed. The terrorists have launched a biological weapon against the United States. They have therefore made biological warfare thinkable and thus repeatable. We once had a doctrine that such a Rubicon would be answered with a nuclear response. We backed down on that threat in the Gulf War but Saddam didn't dare use biological weapons then. Someone has dared to use them now. Our response must be as grave as this new threat. I know that this means that this conflict is deepening and widening beyond its initial phony stage. But what choice do we have? Inaction in the face of biological warfare is an invitation for more in a world where that is now thinkable. Appropriate response will no doubt inflame an already inflamed region, as people seek solace through the usual ideological fire. Either way the war will grow and I feel nothing but dread in my heart. But we didn't seek this conflict. It has sought us. If we do not wage war now, we may have to wage an even bloodier war in the very near future. These are bleak choices, but what else do we have?
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:20 AM   #29
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Beavis you're way too obsessed with Sullivan. You bring him up in practically every other post you make. Doing google searches to find instances where he was wrong or had opinions contrary to where he stands today? From 2001?!? lol

And I know you're pulling your usual obfuscation tactics, but you can't really be stupid enough to believe that getting out is a bigger mistake than going in.
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Ok, I know you're trying to make a point here. What is it?
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Old 06-20-2014, 01:35 PM   #31
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No. Allegedly the governor of a state that holds little real concern for those of us who don't live there. Which makes it not-all-that-surprising that that's where you'd like everyone to focus. You know, instead of that cataclysmit f-up that is Washington DC that you tell us over and over again needs more control over how we do things.
So a Governor that is readying himself for Presidential bid is no concern to the American public at large?
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Old 06-20-2014, 02:10 PM   #32
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Why is this still being argued when all the judges (liberals as well) threw out all the charges? This is the prosecutors trying to be cute by bringing up BS to the public to try Walker in the court of public opinion since that's the best they can get.

I've already read from Democrat lawyers saying this is a shady move.
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Old 06-20-2014, 03:18 PM   #33
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Why is this still being argued when all the judges (liberals as well) threw out all the charges? This is the prosecutors trying to be cute by bringing up BS to the public to try Walker in the court of public opinion since that's the best they can get.

I've already read from Democrat lawyers saying this is a shady move.
Because it's entertaining?

The guy is the one of the most extremist partisan ideologues out there. He deserves whatever he gets. Of course, the Tea Party will probably toss him in the next election for not being extreme enough.
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Why is this still being argued when all the judges (liberals as well) threw out all the charges? This is the prosecutors trying to be cute by bringing up BS to the public to try Walker in the court of public opinion since that's the best they can get.

I've already read from Democrat lawyers saying this is a shady move.

It's the way some people roll.
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Old 06-20-2014, 05:31 PM   #35
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Because it's entertaining?

The guy is the one of the most extremist partisan ideologues out there. He deserves whatever he gets.
Translation: He disagrees with me so ends justify means.
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Apparently a couple judges have already seen the evidence and stated no case, but I guess liberals will keep going with this until they can find(buy) a judge who will see it differently. Is this costing tax dollars? I mean, the liberals are worried how much it costs trying to find out why 4 Americans were killed in Libya than the reason why it happened.
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Beavis you're way too obsessed with Sullivan. You bring him up in practically every other post you make. Doing google searches to find instances where he was wrong or had opinions contrary to where he stands today? From 2001?!? lol

And I know you're pulling your usual obfuscation tactics, but you can't really be stupid enough to believe that getting out is a bigger mistake than going in.
Stop linking to his lunatic ravings and we can all set him aside. But as much as you point to everyone who disagrees with you on this as an idiot, on the scale of irrationality on the topic, nobody here holds a candle to your favorite 'conservative' columnist.
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Translation: He disagrees with me so ends justify means.
In a party full of psychos, Walker makes the rest look reasonable. He has treated people like **** for years. It's called "What goes around comes around."
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Anything to get the people's minds off Fast and Furious, IRS, Benghazi, Bergdahl, Obamacare, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, higher gas and food prices, unemployment, floods of people running across our borders, etc. But Obama is such a great success.
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Stop linking to his lunatic ravings and we can all set him aside.
When did I last link him? I bet you've mentioned him at least 3 times for every time I've linked him in the last 3 months. Beavis doth protest too much, methinks...
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When did I last link him? I bet you've mentioned him at least 3 times for every time I've linked him in the last 3 months. Beavis doth protest too much, methinks...
There isn't a liberal rag you don't post a link from to somehow "prove" something.
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There isn't a liberal rag you don't post a link from to somehow "prove" something.
When did Sullivan become a Liberal??
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When did Sullivan become a Liberal??
10 years ago?
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You'd better let him know, he still thinks he's a conservative.

Just not a far right, bat **** crazy Conservative who defends 'party' before country, regardless the policies.
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You'd better let him know, he still thinks he's a conservative.

Just not a far right, bat **** crazy Conservative who defends 'party' before country, regardless the policies.
The radical extremist reactionaries are the new conservatives and the real conservatives are now socialists. It's a confusing world.
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The radical extremist reactionaries are the new conservatives and the real conservatives are now socialists. It's a confusing world.
No kidding. Thatcher would have been regarded a Liberal socialist by some of the current crop of ideologues.

Of course, she would have some choice words to describe the current state of the GOP/TP.
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You'd better let him know, he still thinks he's a conservative.

Just not a far right, bat **** crazy Conservative who defends 'party' before country, regardless the policies.
Yes. A John Kerry/Barack Obama kind of conservative.

You know, the kind that renders the entire meaning of the word irrelevant.

To be fair though, I wouldn't really consider Andrew a fairly characterized Liberal either. He's mostly an unhinged opportunist more than anything. A not-so-subtle bias-feeder who wore out his opportunity (or welcome) on one side, then suddenly saw more opportunity on the other, so made the leap. Faking any and every kind of justification for the reasonlessness behind it as he goes.
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Yes. A John Kerry/Barack Obama kind of conservative.

You know, the kind that renders the entire meaning of the word irrelevant.

To be fair though, I wouldn't really consider Andrew a fairly characterized Liberal either. He's mostly an unhinged opportunist more than anything. A not-so-subtle bias-feeder who wore out his opportunity (or welcome) on one side, then suddenly saw more opportunity on the other, so made the leap. Faking any and every kind of justification for the reasonlessness behind it as he goes.
Define 'Conservative' politically.
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He's mostly an unhinged opportunist more than anything.
He's really only "unhinged" about one issue, and that's Sarah Palin. And even then, he's mostly correct about her. But he's far, far more fair and reasonable that you're giving him credit for. He admits when he's wrong, posts opposing viewpoints, and posts dissents from both readers and other journalists/pundits he has disagreements with. Yes, he can certainly be accused of giving Obama too much benefit of the doubt, but he explains in detail when and why he does, and he also slams Obama on occasion and often expresses doubts and concerns about him. I could show you multiple examples of all of these things but it's really not worth my time. And frankly, neither are you.
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Define 'Conservative' politically.
I've gone over it before. Probably not worth going through it all again.

Nutshell version.

Liberals tend to believe in a kind of perfectablity (relative) of mankind that needs to be brought into practice by "progress" They tend to believe that mankind's problems are related to the system he's subjected himself to. Not because of any 'nature of the beast' so to speak.

Conservatives tend to believe that mankind has inherent corruptions that need to be constrained. In a classical liberal democracy the primary constraints are individual liberty and rule of law. Which is why progressive (and especially collectivist) solutions tend to be viewed with immediate suspicion.
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