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Old 08-18-2014, 01:25 PM   #1
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Stray bullet wounds man, kills woman across street in N. Georgia town

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A Texas woman died late Saturday after she was struck by a stray gunshot in the town of Helen in North Georgia.

Police said the bullet came from a small-caliber handgun carried by a 53-year-old man from Jasper, Ga. The gun accidentally discharged, and the bullet traveled across Helen’s tourist-laden Main Street and struck the woman in the side.

Bystanders attempted to administer first aid, police said, but authorities pronounced the woman dead at the scene.

The shooting took place outside the Old Heidelberg restaurant and bar, one of many Bavarian-themed businesses in Helen, a town of about 500 residents in White County, 90 miles northeast of downtown Atlanta. The town’s main route, Ga. 75, is often crowded with visitors, many of them motorcyclists attracted by the area’s twisting mountainous roads.

Officers from the Helen Police Department responded to a call of shots fired at 10:41 p.m. Saturday. They first found the 53-year-old man, identified as Glenn Patrick Lampien, sitting on a bench, his hand bleeding. Officers then learned of a second victim, the Texas woman across the street, apparently struck by the same bullet.

Authorities did not release the woman’s name Sunday.

In a statement Sunday, the police said Lampien would be charged with involuntary manslaughter.

An employee who answered the telephone Sunday at the Old Heidelberg said the police had instructed the restaurant’s staff not to speak to reporters.

In a brief telephone interview, Lampien’s wife, Valerie, said her husband was recovering. She was not with him Saturday night in Helen.

“I don’t know what happened myself,” she said. “It’s an unfortunate situation.”

Lampien is the owner of Lampien Mechanical Services in Jasper, which installs and services commercial and industrial air conditioning systems. Public records indicate he was convicted of driving under the influence in 1999 and sentenced to probation.

The shooting occurred less than two months after a new law took effect in Georgia that greatly extended gun owners’ rights to carry weapons in public places. Bars are among the locations covered by House Bill 60.

In an online forum sponsored by GeorgiaPacking.org, a gun-rights advocacy group, one commenter said Sunday: “Of course, HB 60 will be blamed.”

A woman posting to the Helen Police Department’s Facebook page took a different view: “Guns everywhere! This is our brand new law in action.”

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Now, had she been armed, she would have at least had a chance to put him down first with an accidental discharge of her own.

See? The solution is to arm everybody.
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JFC ........ Don't you ever get tired of spinning your wheels on gun legislation it will never happen.
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Old 08-18-2014, 09:24 PM   #5
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Beat me to it.
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Guns don't accidentally discharge.
Semantics.
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Old 08-19-2014, 12:14 PM   #8
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Semantics.
It's in important distinction. People who don't know any better could think that the scary gun fired for no reason. It's negligence, and rather than involuntary manslaughter he should be charged with negligent homicide. And to the OP, guns don't kill people. Negligent, stupid motherfuvkers kill people.
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Oh no, according to the anti gun folks, guns do whatever they want. Like load themself, take off the safety then squeeze the trigger to empty a million rounds...... all without a human anywhere near it.

That poor gun is just misunderstood, and was probably being abused anyway.
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Oh no, according to the anti gun folks, guns do whatever they want. Like load themself, take off the safety then squeeze the trigger to empty a million rounds...... all without a human anywhere near it.

That poor gun is just misunderstood, and was probably being abused anyway.
Gun probably was raised in a single holster too. If it had been secured with a double holster from the owner, a good chance it would not have disobeyed the law.
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Gun probably was raised in a single holster too. If it had been secured with a double holster from the owner, a good chance it would not have disobeyed the law.
That's a good point.
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An interesting note:

Yet this is all based on a widely shared misunderstanding of the Wild West. Frontier towns -- places like Tombstone, Deadwood, and Dodge -- actually had the most restrictive gun control laws in the nation.

In fact, many of those same cities have far less burdensome gun control today then they did back in the 1800s.

Guns were obviously widespread on the frontier. Out in the untamed wilderness, you needed a gun to be safe from bandits, natives, and wildlife. In the cities and towns of the West, however, the law often prohibited people from toting their guns around. A visitor arriving in Wichita, Kansas in 1873, the heart of the Wild West era, would have seen signs declaring, "Leave Your Revolvers At Police Headquarters, and Get a Check."

A check? That's right. When you entered a frontier town, you were legally required to leave your guns at the stables on the outskirts of town or drop them off with the sheriff, who would give you a token in exchange. You checked your guns then like you'd check your overcoat today at a Boston restaurant in winter. Visitors were welcome, but their guns were not.

In my new book, Gunfight: The Battle over the Right to Bear Arms in America, there's a photograph taken in Dodge City in 1879. Everything looks exactly as you'd imagine: wide, dusty road; clapboard and brick buildings; horse ties in front of the saloon. Yet right in the middle of the street is something you'd never expect. There's a huge wooden billboard announcing, "The Carrying of Firearms Strictly Prohibited."

While people were allowed to have guns at home for self-protection, frontier towns usually barred anyone but law enforcement from carrying guns in public.

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Very true Roh but show stats on deaths in those towns (if there are any stats for it). Same problem there as is now would be a guy that wants to kill or not turn it in will still have a revolver somewhere on his body.

Old West also had many blacks as they made up about 25% of cowboys. You rarely see them in movies. Not sure if they were segregated at saloons and such but things people don't always know as it wasn't shown in pictures or movies.
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So which do you think causes more random death?

Drunken driving or stray bullets?

Are you calling for the same laws on booze you want for guns or are you joining the 99.999999% of gun control fanatics who recoil in horror when you suggest their access to boozy woozy should be curtailed?
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The shooting occurred less than two months after a new law took effect in Georgia that greatly extended gun owners’ rights to carry weapons in public places. Bars are among the locations covered by House Bill 60.
And?

I'm about to head to the Auraria Campus packing my 9mm. Legal conceal carry on college campuses has been around for years here in Colorado with zero problems.

If the rare exception overrides the right of the many, then apply that crazy standard everywhere, instead of selectively at things you personally hate.
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Old West also had many blacks as they made up about 25% of cowboys. You rarely see them in movies. Not sure if they were segregated at saloons and such but things people don't always know as it wasn't shown in pictures or movies.
By the demographics of the Mountain West and other areas that didn't encounter large migrations in the 20th century from the East, I think that number is grossly exaggerated.

We should be seeing the grandchildren of black cowboys all over Colorado, and they simply aren't there.
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By the demographics of the Mountain West and other areas that didn't encounter large migrations in the 20th century from the East, I think that number is grossly exaggerated.

We should be seeing the grandchildren of black cowboys all over Colorado, and they simply aren't there.
Cowboys were transient. You couldn't find many grandchildren of white cowboys either, at least not as a statistically significant portion of the modern population of the west.
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Cowboys were transient. You couldn't find many grandchildren of white cowboys either, at least not as a statistically significant portion of the modern population of the west.
Where is the large black population in the West outside popular 20th century destinations of eastern migration?

We have plenty of whites here but not blacks. So where are they if that many were here?
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By the demographics of the Mountain West and other areas that didn't encounter large migrations in the 20th century from the East, I think that number is grossly exaggerated.

We should be seeing the grandchildren of black cowboys all over Colorado, and they simply aren't there.
I see your point but these could have been former Buffalo Soldiers that stayed in the West. I have heard 25% but never bothered to look up a stat. You would have thought that those former slaves in Texas sure knew how to handle a horse and once freed, stayed in Texas or the West and did what came natural to them.
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By the demographics of the Mountain West and other areas that didn't encounter large migrations in the 20th century from the East, I think that number is grossly exaggerated.

We should be seeing the grandchildren of black cowboys all over Colorado, and they simply aren't there.
Maybe you should visit this place?
http://www.blackamericanwestmuseum.org/

I recommend it. Cool museum. They'll answer all your questions.
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Oh no, according to the anti gun folks, guns do whatever they want. Like load themself, take off the safety then squeeze the trigger to empty a million rounds...... all without a human anywhere near it.

That poor gun is just misunderstood, and was probably being abused anyway.
Just the sort of straw man argument we've come to expect from Rush's Kids.

If you favor any sort of regulation of firearms, then you must be "anti-gun."

Yawn.
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Just the sort of straw man argument we've come to expect from Rush's Kids.

If you favor any sort of regulation of firearms, then you must be "anti-gun."

Yawn.
We already have laws in place for regulation, all except registering 'most' firearms.

And lol @ Rush's Kids. If you don't favor more regulation of firearms, then you must be, "Rush's Kids."


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You righties crack me up. You think that people should be allowed to carry guns to a bar?where there is booze being served?
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So which do you think causes more random death?

Drunken driving or stray bullets?

Are you calling for the same laws on booze you want for guns or are you joining the 99.999999% of gun control fanatics who recoil in horror when you suggest their access to boozy woozy should be curtailed?
There are already laws against drinking and driving genius.
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