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Old 06-14-2014, 11:31 AM   #1
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This girl should be tried as an adult and it absolutely is a hate crime. Premeditated and filmed and then posted to YouTube.

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Old 06-14-2014, 11:43 AM   #3
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Simple solution... Beat that 13 year old's ass.
Grandpa isn't getting it done. Little bad ass mother****ers these days.
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Black on white is not a hate crime nor are racial slurs.
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Old 06-14-2014, 12:26 PM   #5
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Unless the victim is black or homosexual and the suspect is a white guy there are no hate crimes.
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I actually don't believe in hate crimes. I don't think "why" you commit a crime makes it worse. If someone shoots you because you are in the way, or they shoot you because they really don't like you, how does the fact they didn't like you for racial reasons or otherwise make it worse? I understand the arguments where there's a difference between 1st degree through manslaughter, but IMO the why shouldn't matter. Money, racism, spite, they were annoying - it should all be charged the same.
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I actually don't believe in hate crimes. I don't think "why" you commit a crime makes it worse. If someone shoots you because you are in the way, or they shoot you because they really don't like you, how does the fact they didn't like you for racial reasons or otherwise make it worse? I understand the arguments where there's a difference between 1st degree through manslaughter, but IMO the why shouldn't matter. Money, racism, spite, they were annoying - it should all be charged the same.
So if I kill you because you beat me my whole life and made me unstable and violent or if I kill you because you are a Mormon, you think those should receive equal weight?
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Old 06-14-2014, 12:43 PM   #8
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I may be alone in my thinking but this girl is just 13, she has learned this behavior from someone. This person or persons that is teaching this behavior is the one guilty of the hate crime aspect. The 13 year old girl is guilty of assault but not sure at the young of age you can "hate"?
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So if I kill you because you beat me my whole life and made me unstable and violent or if I kill you because you are a Mormon, you think those should receive equal weight?

Yes.

Murder, abuse, domestic violence. Killing someone for being gay, black, white, muslim, mormon, whatever are motives. It does not make a murder more murdery if someone is killed for being gay or black or white or hispanic. The victim is not more dead because of it.

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I agree with Kaylore. If you assault or murder someone for a specific reason it does not change the result.
Ignorance is ignorance regardless of the supposed reason.

If someone was to kill your child or your spouse, do you really care that they supposedly had a reason? Is that somehow going to make it better if it wasn't race or sex related?
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If it can be proven that this girl beat the other girl up because she is white. Then yes it should be a hate crime.

I think you have to be careful about this stuff especially with minors. It also depends on injuries as a well. But there is no reason a 13 year-old should beat up a 10 year-old. That is for sure.

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Old 06-14-2014, 01:18 PM   #12
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I actually don't believe in hate crimes. I don't think "why" you commit a crime makes it worse. If someone shoots you because you are in the way, or they shoot you because they really don't like you, how does the fact they didn't like you for racial reasons or otherwise make it worse? I understand the arguments where there's a difference between 1st degree through manslaughter, but IMO the why shouldn't matter. Money, racism, spite, they were annoying - it should all be charged the same.
Actually, it does. If you beat someone up because he/she is gay that is worse than if you beat someone up because they cut you off in traffic. It just is.
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Old 06-14-2014, 02:11 PM   #13
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This girl should be tried as an adult and it absolutely is a hate crime. Premeditated and filmed and then posted to YouTube.

http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.ht...Fhpt%3Dsitenav
OMG, get real. You're wanting a 13 year old to be charged as an adult for slapping around some girl for a few seconds. That's ridiculous. She should be tried as a 13 year old girl who beat up a 10 year old girl. I'm not sure what punishment that carries but that's how it should go down. Get out of here with tried as an adult for that crap.
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OMG, get real. You're wanting a 13 year old to be charged as an adult for slapping around some girl for a few seconds. That's ridiculous. She should be tried as a 13 year old girl who beat up a 10 year old girl. I'm not sure what punishment that carries but that's how it should go down. Get out of here with tried as an adult for that crap.
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I can't express how happy the bleeped out 'cracker' made me while watching this video.
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Old 06-14-2014, 02:56 PM   #16
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I also agree that any notion of trying this kid as an adult is ridiculously idiotic.

This is the kind of thing that should be settled by the parents, not a news channel or the state.
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So if I kill you because you beat me my whole life and made me unstable and violent or if I kill you because you are a Mormon, you think those should receive equal weight?
Yes.
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Yes.

Murder, abuse, domestic violence. Killing someone for being gay, black, white, muslim, mormon, whatever are motives. It does not make a murder more murdery if someone is killed for being gay or black or white or hispanic. The victim is not more dead because of it.

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Well I can only imagine the outrage if the races were reversed.
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Boy, the high horses are out today!

If (I am not hoping this happens) someone rapes your wife, daughter, niece etc. and she ends up killing the guy.

Or

This same wife, daughter, niece kills a woman/man because they pissed her off.

It's the same because one is not more "mudery"? We are not debating if you are "more dead" the the debate is justifiable homicide or murder, there is a difference.
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The 10 year old needs to learn how to use a shovel.
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It really seems more likely the girl wanted her 15 minutes of fame on Youtube, like those inbred dip**** girls in the video from a few weeks back. I don't think it qualifies as a hate crime, but she does need some punishment. I don't see her getting charged as an adult either unless they can show she's got a history of this kind of violence.
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Boy, the high horses are out today!

If (I am not hoping this happens) someone rapes your wife, daughter, niece etc. and she ends up killing the guy.

Or

This same wife, daughter, niece kills a woman/man because they pissed her off.

It's the same because one is not more "mudery"? We are not debating if you are "more dead" the the debate is justifiable homicide or murder, there is a difference.

Dont think you are understanding what is being said.

Murder is not something that happens because you really like the other person. Adding the classification of hate crime to it does not make it a super duper bad murder. The victim is not more dead because their murder was designated a hate crime.

And self defense does not even factor in.

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Hate crime is thought crime and it's stupid.

The message should be that these kids shouldn't be hitting each other to solve their differences. And on the occasions that fights do happen, learn when you have your opponent beat.
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