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I'm here to help you move past the 'blame Bush' mantra, and realize that the Socialist Progressives are far worse than anything Bush did. |
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Let's even extend this to countries that don't vote. Do you think it's wise to fund extremist radical warlords to overthrow existing stable governments like say in Egypt, Syria, and Somalia? So, apparently you agree with this philosophy? If not, what do you propose we do about it? Last edited by pricejj; 06-13-2014 at 11:01 AM.. |
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![]() I dont ****in know what to do about it, nor do I pretend to, nor will I ever be in a position to. My guess would be to stay the **** out of these quagmires.
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![]() I don't see anybody suggesting current policies are working, or suggesting that 8 years of Hillary is the answer. Please show us a few posts doing this. What I do see is several posters like yourself angrily saying Obama is to blame and that progressives/liberals should stop blaming Bush (y'all are frighteningly obsessed with this). I've presented facts showing that the rest of the world wholly and clearly disagrees on who the worse president was, and I'm going to take that over your confirmation bias driven, spittle flecked, intemperate, partisan opinions.
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He had been under pressure since the Iraq invasion to allow Egypt to become a Democracy, years of oppression and farcical elections led to his overthrow. The last two administrations had pressured him to reform. |
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What in the world does French public opinion have to do with what's best for the US? Of course they like Obama, they are Socialist just like he is. |
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![]() I'm not an economist, but obviously governments can function with debt. And job creation should still be at the forefront.
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![]() Does he? Because I see absolutely nothing socialist about how the Americans run a government. Hell even our new healthcare is just a giveaway to corporations. I'm so sick of having this argument with you. I get it, you hate obama. You hate any idea of public welfare. We can agree to disagree, just don't be such an a-hole about things you don't have a great grasp on.
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2012: Obama. I suppose a case could be made for Romney but I didn't like the way he tacked extremely to the right. And I don't think things would be much better with him in charge. 2016: Let's wait and see who the opposition is. If the GOP puts a loser like Ted Cruz on the ballot then we'll once again be forced to elect the lesser of two evils. Sad that Hillary could possibly be our best bet. But since she's practically a neocon in many ways you should be happy. |
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2. You somewhat apathetic to foreign policy. Obama voted for, extended, and started more wars than Bush. 3. Maybe you think healthcare costs were high under Bush? They're higher now under Obama. Guess I'm not seeing how you still think Obama is better than Bush. Unless you think failing worse at everything is somehow better. Quote:
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However, if you claim that none of the current policies are working, and Hillary Clinton voted for and took part in all the current policies, why would you vote for her? |
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![]() Obama (or at least his twitter person) said during the closing portion of the 2012 campaign...
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![]() Haven't read all the posts but I am wondering what the best alternative solutions are to Obama's feckless foreign policy
1) He should have armed the moderate rebels in Syria - maybe, or maybe all those arms would be squarely in the hands of Islamists just like many of the arms that we deployed for the Iraqi govt in Sunni Iraq. Honestly I tend to think the latter is more likely and more in keeping with the usual fate of arms that we send to such conflicts 2) Should never have left Iraq, i.e. boots on the ground. Granted boots on the ground would have stopped the ISIS advance at the costs of more American lives and American money. When superior armed and equipped Iraqi forces strip off their uniforms turn tail and run abandoning their arms to the advancing rebels it would have required American forces to pick up the fight. 3) Libya - boots on the ground again? I get the Benghazi debate sort of but I am still not sure what the great foreign policy strategy would have been that would have worked so well in Libya. A few air strikes aside the US was barely involved. 4) Egypt - ![]() 5) Russia - ![]() Obama is no foreign policy mastermind but until I hear the foreign policies that would likely have worked in the above situations I will continue to consider them no win situations. |
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