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Old 06-13-2014, 10:52 AM   #201
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Dude, you can't argue against him. He's just out to bash Democrat's. He says he's a fence walker but I've been reading through all of his posts and he's a die hard republican in sheeps clothing. All he does is bash anything Democrat and Obama. Never says 1 damn thing about something the right wing does wrong. Forget him.
Its true. But if he would just stop being so vicious over things he doesn't understand, maybe we could have an intelligent conversation.
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Old 06-13-2014, 10:54 AM   #202
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Do you think it's right to sponsor extremist radicals to overthrow legitimate governments?
I don't pretend to have a great understand of foreign policy, but I know America has been aligning with, arming "bad" people for years regardless of political affiliation.
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Do you think it's right to sponsor extremist radicals to overthrow legitimate governments?
Interesting question. Which legitimate governments are you thinking of?
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Dude, you can't argue against him. He's just out to bash Democrat's. He says he's a fence walker but I've been reading through all of his posts and he's a die hard republican in sheeps clothing. All he does is bash anything Democrat and Obama. Never says 1 damn thing about something the right wing does wrong. Forget him.
Bush was the 2nd worst president in American history. Obama is the worst. Obama is the president now. I'm sick and tired of Socialist Progressives blaming Bush, because I know deep down you think you're policies are working and that if you get another 8 years with Hillary Clinton, we'll be in a Socialist Progressive utopia.

I'm here to help you move past the 'blame Bush' mantra, and realize that the Socialist Progressives are far worse than anything Bush did.
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Interesting question. Which legitimate governments are you thinking of?
Ukraine for one.

Let's even extend this to countries that don't vote. Do you think it's wise to fund extremist radical warlords to overthrow existing stable governments like say in Egypt, Syria, and Somalia?


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I don't pretend to have a great understand of foreign policy, but I know America has been aligning with, arming "bad" people for years regardless of political affiliation.
So, apparently you agree with this philosophy? If not, what do you propose we do about it?

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Ukraine for one.
That's what the communists, troofers and Gaffney claim.

Which other governments are you thinking of?
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So, apparently you agree with this philosophy? If not, what do you propose we do about it?
I dont ****in know what to do about it, nor do I pretend to, nor will I ever be in a position to. My guess would be to stay the **** out of these quagmires.
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Interesting question. Which legitimate governments are you thinking of?
If "legitimate" is being used in the diplomatic way, we had recognized the rights of Mubarak and Qadaffi to lead.
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If "legitimate" is being used in the diplomatic way, we had recognized the rights of Mubarak and Qadaffi to lead.
Qadafi was legit in the same sense as Saddam.
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I'm sick and tired of Socialist Progressives blaming Bush, because I know deep down you think you're policies are working and that if you get another 8 years with Hillary Clinton, we'll be in a Socialist Progressive utopia.
I don't see anybody suggesting current policies are working, or suggesting that 8 years of Hillary is the answer. Please show us a few posts doing this. What I do see is several posters like yourself angrily saying Obama is to blame and that progressives/liberals should stop blaming Bush (y'all are frighteningly obsessed with this). I've presented facts showing that the rest of the world wholly and clearly disagrees on who the worse president was, and I'm going to take that over your confirmation bias driven, spittle flecked, intemperate, partisan opinions.
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I don't see anybody suggesting current policies are working, or suggesting that 8 years of Hillary is the answer. Please show us a few posts doing this. What I do see is several posters like yourself angrily saying Obama is to blame and that progressives/liberals should stop blaming Bush (y'all are frighteningly obsessed with this). I've presented facts showing that the rest of the world wholly and clearly disagrees on who the worse president was, and I'm going to take that over your confirmation bias driven, spittle flecked, intemperate, partisan opinions.
Obama is far far from perfect, but I have no clue how anyone can say he's honestly worse than Bush. Oof.
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If "legitimate" is being used in the diplomatic way, we had recognized the rights of Mubarak and Qadaffi to lead.
Forgot Mubarak.

He had been under pressure since the Iraq invasion to allow Egypt to become a Democracy, years of oppression and farcical elections led to his overthrow.

The last two administrations had pressured him to reform.
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I don't see anybody suggesting current policies are working, or suggesting that 8 years of Hillary is the answer. Please show us a few posts doing this. What I do see is several posters like yourself angrily saying Obama is to blame and that progressives/liberals should stop blaming Bush (y'all are frighteningly obsessed with this). I've presented facts showing that the rest of the world wholly and clearly disagrees on who the worse president was, and I'm going to take that over your confirmation bias driven, spittle flecked, intemperate, partisan opinions.
Obama has publicly stated that the US should be more like Europe. So you bring up Obama approval rating numbers from Europe (presumably because his approval ratings in the US are so low).

What in the world does French public opinion have to do with what's best for the US? Of course they like Obama, they are Socialist just like he is.
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Obama is far far from perfect, but I have no clue how anyone can say he's honestly worse than Bush. Oof.
Do you think debt is good or bad?

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I don't see anybody suggesting current policies are working, or suggesting that 8 years of Hillary is the answer. Please show us a few posts doing this.
Cool, list who you have/will vote for in the following elections (assuming Hillary runs):

2008:
2012:
2016:

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Qadafi was legit in the same sense as Saddam.
I said diplomatic, not moral. Either way they were both legitimized and recognized by the US.
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Obama has publicly stated that the US should be more like Europe. So you bring up Obama approval rating numbers from Europe (presumably because his approval ratings in the US are so low).

What in the world does French public opinion have to do with what's best for the US? Of course they like Obama, they are Socialist just like he is.
If Obama is a socialist, he's the worlds worst socialist.
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If Obama is a socialist, he's the worlds worst socialist.
How do you figure, he promotes a very similar agenda to Francois Hollande of France (leader of the French Socialist Party), as well as other European Socialist leaders?
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Do you think debt is good or bad?



Cool, list who you have/will vote for in the following elections (assuming Hillary runs):

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I'm not an economist, but obviously governments can function with debt. And job creation should still be at the forefront.
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How do you figure, he promotes a very similar agenda to Francois Hollande of France (leader of the French Socialist Party), as well as other European Socialist leaders?
Does he? Because I see absolutely nothing socialist about how the Americans run a government. Hell even our new healthcare is just a giveaway to corporations. I'm so sick of having this argument with you. I get it, you hate obama. You hate any idea of public welfare. We can agree to disagree, just don't be such an a-hole about things you don't have a great grasp on.
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What in the world does French public opinion have to do with what's best for the US? Of course they like Obama, they are Socialist just like he is.
Interesting how you bring up France while leaving out Great Britain and Germany.
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Cool, list who you have/will vote for in the following elections (assuming Hillary runs):

2008:
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2008: Obama. There was simply no other choice with Palin on the ticket, and McCain is certainly no prize himself.
2012: Obama. I suppose a case could be made for Romney but I didn't like the way he tacked extremely to the right. And I don't think things would be much better with him in charge.
2016: Let's wait and see who the opposition is. If the GOP puts a loser like Ted Cruz on the ballot then we'll once again be forced to elect the lesser of two evils. Sad that Hillary could possibly be our best bet. But since she's practically a neocon in many ways you should be happy.
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I'm not an economist, but obviously governments can function with debt. And job creation should still be at the forefront.
1. Okay, so you don't think debt is bad. Obama has way more debt than Bush.
2. You somewhat apathetic to foreign policy. Obama voted for, extended, and started more wars than Bush.
3. Maybe you think healthcare costs were high under Bush? They're higher now under Obama.

Guess I'm not seeing how you still think Obama is better than Bush. Unless you think failing worse at everything is somehow better.


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Does he? Because I see absolutely nothing socialist about how the Americans run a government. Hell even our new healthcare is just a giveaway to corporations. I'm so sick of having this argument with you. I get it, you hate obama. You hate any idea of public welfare. We can agree to disagree, just don't be such an a-hole about things you don't have a great grasp on.
No, I don't hate any idea of public welfare. A safety net is fine, as is charity. Forcing everyone into a failing Socialist system however, is not the answer, and is not what the US was founded on, nor was it how the US became the freest, most prosperous country in the history of the world.
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2008: Obama. There was simply no other choice with Palin on the ticket, and McCain is certainly no prize himself.
2012: Obama. I suppose a case could be made for Romney but I didn't like the way he tacked extremely to the right. And I don't think things would be much better with him in charge.
2016: Let's wait and see who the opposition is. If the GOP puts a loser like Ted Cruz on the ballot then we'll once again be forced to elect the lesser of two evils. Sad that Hillary could possibly be our best bet. But since she's practically a neocon in many ways you should be happy.
I'm against neocon's and have never voted for one. So you're statement is the opposite of the truth.

However, if you claim that none of the current policies are working, and Hillary Clinton voted for and took part in all the current policies, why would you vote for her?
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