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Old 06-18-2014, 08:20 PM   #476
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What would Mittens have done? Anyone?
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Old 06-18-2014, 10:31 PM   #477
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As I've pointed out before, the "worldwide stage" disagrees with you.
No they disagree with Obama's hands-off policy in Iraq. That's why he's being forced to change his mind...yet again. Leaders from all over the world are calling for the US not to let Iraq descend into chaos, regardless of your perception of ill-conceived, unsustainable, domestic Socialist Progressive policies.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...nery-live.html

http://time.com/2876005/iran-preside...iraq-if-asked/

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Old 06-19-2014, 03:31 AM   #478
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Romney would have negotiated to leave a significant amount of troops in Iraq. They would have air support and squash any security problems that could threaten cities. Can't stop bombings, killings, but you can protect cities.

What we have happening is Iraqi security forces sucking ass big time because Obama just pulled out and said see ya! Like it was mentioned earlier in this thread you wouldn't see any President bail on S Korea. Why? Because it would be destablizing to the region. Same thing here. America should have stayed in Iraq. Leaving was a dangerous game and now Iraq is going to pay a heavy price.
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Old 06-19-2014, 04:15 AM   #479
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Leaving was a dangerous game and now Iraq is going to pay a heavy price.
Obama...."It's alright...........We get it next time."
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Old 06-19-2014, 05:56 AM   #480
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Romney would have negotiated to leave a significant amount of troops in Iraq. They would have air support and squash any security problems that could threaten cities. Can't stop bombings, killings, but you can protect cities.

What we have happening is Iraqi security forces sucking ass big time because Obama just pulled out and said see ya! Like it was mentioned earlier in this thread you wouldn't see any President bail on S Korea. Why? Because it would be destablizing to the region. Same thing here. America should have stayed in Iraq. Leaving was a dangerous game and now Iraq is going to pay a heavy price.
Really? And what if Iraq didn't want forces there? And you would be ok with the cost in dollars? And how long would forces stay there?
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Old 06-19-2014, 05:58 AM   #481
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Obama...."It's alright...........We get it next time."
Obama: following dubyas agreement with Iraq to withdraw all troops.
Rightards:blaming Obama for following agreement
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Hmm, Biden stated Iraq was Obama's great success, so I wonder if he still feels that way. Of course seeing how Obama has bungled everything else, then maybe this is true since the Obama admin. has troubles dealing with reality.
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Old 06-19-2014, 06:22 AM   #483
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Hmm, Biden stated Iraq was Obama's great success, so I wonder if he still feels that way. Of course seeing how Obama has bungled everything else, then maybe this is true since the Obama admin. has troubles dealing with reality.
All success belongs to the current administration. All failure belongs to whoever was President before that.

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Old 06-19-2014, 06:35 AM   #484
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Obama: following dubyas agreement with Iraq to withdraw all troops.
Rightards:blaming Obama for following agreement

Yeah, keep throwing the blame around to someone else.
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Logic says if Biden can say Iraq was a success for Obama, so that means Obama owns Iraq since whatever he was doing was a "success." But now with what is going on, you can't now blame the previous regime when things go wrong. That is what a little kid does, always take credit for anything good, but pass the buck when things go wrong, although liberals, especially the males, tend to behave and think like children, so this does fit the mold.
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Old 06-19-2014, 07:31 AM   #486
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Liquidated all the assets of Iraq and hid the profit in the Cayman Islands?
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Old 06-19-2014, 07:48 AM   #487
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U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement



The Bush Administration later sought an agreement with the Iraqi government, and in 2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a deadline of 31 December 2011, before which "all the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory".The last U.S. troops left Iraq on 18 December 2011, in accordance with this agreement.
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Old 06-19-2014, 07:51 AM   #488
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Yeah, keep throwing the blame around to someone else.
you mean to the guy that started the mess in the first place? classic rightard mentality, start a mess, leave office and blame
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U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement



The Bush Administration later sought an agreement with the Iraqi government, and in 2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a deadline of 31 December 2011, before which "all the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory".The last U.S. troops left Iraq on 18 December 2011, in accordance with this agreement.
yep, I wonder how much the right would have railed Obama had he not brought the troops home
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Richard Clarke didn't believe that then, and doesn't believe it now.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...up-charge.html
I don't have a problem with Richard Clarke being wrong.
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Old 06-19-2014, 07:55 AM   #491
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oh I get it. what about when he said that we would be greeted with roses and that the war would pay for itself? how about that it wasn't nation building? fear not Darth Cheney is getting in on the action now and criticizing the prez. the right have no dignity
Way to try and deflect. You can keep putting that up but it doesn't matter. It was in regards to what was already accomplished and that was extremely successful. If you want to make a point, at least take the time to put up the right meme
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It was in regards to what was already accomplished and that was extremely successful.
So you're impressed that a military invasion of a Third World country was successful? That's really not the issue here. The question is how did the occupation following this invasion go? Sure, there's some semblance of peace and order when there are tens of thousands of troops on the ground. But how long do y'all want to keep them there? Forever? Even after they were pretty much told to leave?

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So you're impressed that a military invasion of the Third World country was successful? That's really not the issue here. The question is how did the occupation following this invasion go? Sure, there's some semblance of peace and order when there are tens of thousands of troops on the ground. But how long do y'all want to keep them there? Forever? Even after they were pretty much told to leave?
Pssh. Pffffft. Just plink the head cheese and let the Islamists sort the rest out.

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Pssh. Pffffft. Just plink the head cheese and let the Islamists sort the rest out.

Hope n change.
Well we all know plinking the head cheese and then trying to impose our culture with a puppet government has worked out so well where we're tried it.
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what's surprising is Rand Paul has been silent on this. I wonder what he thinks?
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Well we all know plinking the head cheese and then trying to impose our culture with a puppet government has worked out so well where we're tried it.
Yeah, like totalz. Best to just get rid of the devil you know and hope Allah delivers you a better one.

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So lets get this straight:

1. Obama says 'no US boots on the ground'
2. Followed by Obama saying 'no airstrikes'
3. Now two weeks later he's saying he has the right to act without Congressional approval
4. He's sent US soldiers to be boots on the ground
5. And he's unilaterally deciding for airstrikes?

Are you guys following this?
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Obama says al-Maliki government must go, then he says "it's not our job to choose Iraq's leaders".

Talk about doublespeak. This guy has perfected it.
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Old 06-19-2014, 11:01 AM   #499
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what's surprising is Rand Paul has been silent on this. I wonder what he thinks?
RP has not been silent. Read on.
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives...nsurgents.aspx
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Obama says al-Maliki government must go, then he says "it's not our job to choose Iraq's leaders".

Talk about doublespeak. This guy has perfected it.
Heck, he takes credit for Iraq being some kind of success, but when things go bad, resorts to blaming others and not knowing anything. This has been his routine from the start of his presidency, but lucky for him, has mostly a complicit media to cover and excuse him.
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