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Old 06-18-2014, 01:48 PM   #451
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If we had done what McCain and Graham wanted and shipped a bunch of sophisticated weapons into Syria last year, the ISIL would now be using them in Iraq.
Nah they'd probably just use the nerve gas they would have seized from Assad
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Old 06-18-2014, 01:52 PM   #452
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If we had bombed Syria and provided extensive arms to the Free Syrian Army no doubt Assad would have fallen and in the resulting vacuum we could all have been assured that reactionary Islamist elements would have in no way been able to assume power or obtain the weaponary(including surface to air missiles) that would have been provided to the FSA. I challenge you to find a historical corollary that has not worked out thusly.
Not likely given that Al Qaeda and their rabid allies over ran the free Syrian army headquarters last year and ran them out of the country.

The US should have halted all aid at that point -- but as we know it did not happen. The US has actually increased aid to the "rebels."

Syrians now understand that what started as a populist revolution is now a proxy war. This is why most Syrians now support the Assad regime -- like it or hate it.
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Iraq government requesting U.S. air strikes:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/mid...y-live-updates

Definition of irony: Surveillance missions over Iraq being flown from the deck of the USS Bush.


Guardian Washington bureau chief Dan Roberts (@RobertsDan) reports that congressional leaders have just left the Oval Office – they sneaked out the back, in fact, without answering reporters' questions.

Slipping away were House speaker John Boehner, House minority leader Nancy Pelosi, senate majority leader Harry Reid and minority leader Mitch McConnell.

The group was in the office with the president for about an hour, Dan reports. Pelosi and Reid sat on the couch to Obama's left; Boehner and McConnell, suitably, took the right.

"No sign of what they talked about, but the war drums are beating very quietly down here right now, if at all," Dan says.

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Old 06-18-2014, 02:17 PM   #454
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Old 06-18-2014, 02:38 PM   #455
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As usual, Mike Whitney's analysis makes a lot of sense.

It would appear the US has shifted sides. Al Maliki is to be taken down to size -- if not eliminated. The US is now supporting Sunni radicals -- the very same groups that targeted US troops in Iraq during the US occupation!

Iraq is to be partitioned -- the original neo con plan.

What is the end game? To weaken Iran's influence in Iraq. MHG

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The ISIS Fiasco: Itís Really an Attack on Iran

by MIKE WHITNEY

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/...ttack-on-iran/
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Old 06-18-2014, 02:56 PM   #456
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As usual, Mike Whitney's analysis makes a lot of sense.

It would appear the US has shifted sides. Al Maliki is to be taken down to size -- if not eliminated. The US is now supporting Sunni radicals -- the very same groups that targeted US troops in Iraq during the US occupation!

Iraq is to be partitioned -- the original neo con plan.

What is the end game? To weaken Iran's influence in Iraq. MHG

JUNE 18, 2014


The ISIS Fiasco: Itís Really an Attack on Iran

by MIKE WHITNEY

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/...ttack-on-iran/

Nothing will happen until the US finishes wiring Iraq for demolition and the mothership crashes into Baghdad in a carefully choreographed explosion.
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Here's a good article on the situation and what can be done about it:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...9f1_story.html
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As usual, Mike Whitney's analysis makes a lot of sense.

It would appear the US has shifted sides. Al Maliki is to be taken down to size -- if not eliminated. The US is now supporting Sunni radicals -- the very same groups that targeted US troops in Iraq during the US occupation!

Iraq is to be partitioned -- the original neo con plan.

What is the end game? To weaken Iran's influence in Iraq. MHG

JUNE 18, 2014


The ISIS Fiasco: Itís Really an Attack on Iran

by MIKE WHITNEY

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/...ttack-on-iran/
Geez. Where do you dig up this ****?
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Here's a good article on the situation and what can be done about it:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...9f1_story.html
Ah, the Biden Plan.
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Iraq government requesting U.S. air strikes:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/mid...y-live-updates

Definition of irony: Surveillance missions over Iraq being flown from the deck of the USS Bush.


Guardian Washington bureau chief Dan Roberts (@RobertsDan) reports that congressional leaders have just left the Oval Office Ė they sneaked out the back, in fact, without answering reporters' questions.

Slipping away were House speaker John Boehner, House minority leader Nancy Pelosi, senate majority leader Harry Reid and minority leader Mitch McConnell.

The group was in the office with the president for about an hour, Dan reports. Pelosi and Reid sat on the couch to Obama's left; Boehner and McConnell, suitably, took the right.

"No sign of what they talked about, but the war drums are beating very quietly down here right now, if at all," Dan says.
Unbelievable... really, you can't make this crap up.
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:09 PM   #461
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Maliki didn't want us there, the Iraqi Parliament didn't want us there.

What "diplomacy" could Obama have pursued that would have changed their mind on the big issues surrounding our presence there after the SOFA ended?
They gave up really easy because Obama didn't want to leave troops. His base didn't want him to leave troops. Had he made it a priority he would have gotten it done.

Conservatives said at the time this will just make us have to go back when security breaks down.

Obama not willing to just let iraq fall so here we go. Time to try and put out a fire that should have never started.

Also in Syria if he wasn't willing to use the military he should have never shook a big stick. You don't shake a stick, have the Russians call your bluff, then back down. That doesn't strengthen the USA in the region.
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:29 PM   #462
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You need to do a bit more reading and stop relying on purely libertarian ideological resources. They make you sound stupid.
You mean like this? Are you honestly trying to deny that the Obama Administration has supplied weapons to the Syrian Extremists? There's a paper trail on it longer than the Euphrates.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...89d_story.html

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The CIA has begun delivering weapons to rebels in Syria, ending months of delay in lethal aid that had been promised by the Obama administration, according to U.S. officials and Syrian figures. The shipments began streaming into the country over the past two weeks, along with separate deliveries by the State Department of vehicles and other gear ó a flow of material that marks a major escalation of the U.S. role in Syriaís civil war

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The arms shipments, which are limited to light weapons and other munitions that can be tracked, began arriving in Syria at a moment of heightened tensions over threats by President Obama to order missile strikes to punish the regime of Bashar al-Assad for his alleged use of chemical weapons in a deadly attack near Damascus last month.

This is what Obama's foreign policy consists of. Heavily arming extremists to overthrow governments. Ask the women of Egypt who have had to bear the full brunt of Obama's manufactured "uprisings", how it's working out.

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The arms shipments, which are limited to light weapons and other munitions that can be tracked, began arriving in Syria at a moment of heightened tensions over threats by President Obama to order missile strikes to punish the regime of Bashar al-Assad for his alleged use of chemical weapons in a deadly attack near Damascus last month.

This is what Obama's foreign policy consists of. Heavily arming extremists to overthrow governments. Ask the women of Egypt who have had to bear the full brunt of Obama's manufactured "uprisings", how it's working out.
So, what you're saying is that Obama did exactly what the Right Wing hawks and extremists wanted him to do and now they're blasting him for doing it? Or did he do nothing and they're blasting him for that? I'm confused.
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So, what you're saying is that Obama did exactly what the Right Wing hawks and extremists wanted him to do and now they're blasting him for doing it? Or did he do nothing and they're blasting him for that? I'm confused.
Not sure what fantasy land you live in. One thing is for certain, you are extremely confused.

The fact is Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration released al-Baghdadi, the ISIS commander from jail, and supplied the Sunni Extremists with weapons.

I'm a Libertarian, so I have no idea who you're talking about. No candidates I support, that's for sure.
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Old 06-18-2014, 05:28 PM   #466
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So, what you're saying is that Obama did exactly what the Right Wing hawks and extremists wanted him to do and now they're blasting him for doing it? Or did he do nothing and they're blasting him for that? I'm confused.
Lol, the right can't ever make up their minds on what they want. So long as its the opposite of the evil obama
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Lol, the right can't ever make up their minds on what they want. So long as its the opposite of the evil obama
the joke is on you. The fact is that BO is ok with clandestine operations of all sorts, but official diplomacy, nope, he would rather US diplomats die in terrorist attacks rather than take a visable diplomatic stand.

He's a cockroach, nothing more. Congrats on your leader.
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Ah, the Biden Plan.
Ah, the same Biden who called Iraq Obama's greatest success. Yeah, a great success.
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Obama and his admin. just keep showing they really don't know what to do. It's a shame the world doesn't behave in a way they think it should.
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If both Hillary and Obama are blaming Bush for going into Iraq (even though Hillary fully supported it throughout the campaign), why is Obama now wanting to send in US Special Forces to save it?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...eet-with-hill/

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you support fighting for a democratic Iraq, or you don't. Hillary supported it, now she doesn't, now she does. Obama took credit for ending it, then blamed it on Bush, then now is sending in troops himself?

What'll it be Socialist Progressives? It was a success, then it was somebody elses fault, now you support sending troops to Iraq right?

What does it boil down too? Obama is sending troops back to Iraq to fight against the guy he released from jail and gave weapons to, after letting chaos erupt and letting thousands die.

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After Obama displays sheer incompetence on a worldwide stage in everything he does, his last resort is to blame Bush (along with his misanthrope supporters).

In the end, the 'world community' has major problems with allowing Iraq to fall into the abyss, so Obama is forced to send in the troops.

What an utterly disgusting comedy of errors.
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After Obama displays sheer incompetence on a worldwide stage in everything he does...
As I've pointed out before, the "worldwide stage" disagrees with you.

http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...-obama/371884/
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Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize in advance for his future diplomatic brilliance. Well deserved.
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Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize in advance for his future diplomatic brilliance. Well deserved.
Anyone not an Obama jock sniffer knew that was a joke back then and it's even more now, if that is possible. But Biden said Iraq was a great success for Obama. But somehow now that things aren't going well, they go back to blaming Bush even though they wanted people to believe what they did made Iraq better. How surprising wanting things both ways.
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the joke is on you. The fact is that BO is ok with clandestine operations of all sorts, but official diplomacy, nope, he would rather US diplomats die in terrorist attacks rather than take a visable diplomatic stand.

He's a cockroach, nothing more. Congrats on your leader.
A rightard calling for diplomacy. that's freaking hilarious. Now I've heard it all
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