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Old 06-16-2014, 06:51 PM   #351
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lol, so it's Obama's fault that the region fell into chaos?!? Really? Dude, seriously, just stop posting.
But Obama did read about it in the newspapers or did the emails get "lost."
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Old 06-16-2014, 09:19 PM   #352
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Obama and his lead from behind mantra is a huge failure. What did we say when Obama failed to get an agreement to leave troops in Iraq? We said great wait for a few years and we will have to go back to Iraq and fight again.

Obama has had a string of failures that make Bush look like friggin Abe Lincoln.
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Old 06-16-2014, 09:23 PM   #353
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lol, so it's Obama's fault that the region fell into chaos?!? Really? Dude, seriously, just stop posting.
Syria is Obama's fault. He showed weakness, got punked by Putin and now you have 100's of thousand of refugees and a strengthened Russian presence in the region.

Obama showing weakness to Iran caused Israel to go the opposite direction. They don't feel they can trust the USA right now. All Obama's fault as Bush left that relationship in good shape.

Egypt? A huge mess because Obama didn't know what the hell he was doing. Backed an overthrow of Mubarak, backed elections, then had to back a coup when he didn't like the results.. Duh what results was he expecting.

Now Iraq is plummeting into chaos because of his lack of leadership in leaving security behind.

Most on the left just done talking politics in my circle. On the board we have a few hold outs like you.
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Old 06-16-2014, 09:49 PM   #354
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All the clueless cheerleader dolts are out in full force.
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Old 06-16-2014, 10:02 PM   #355
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Syria is Obama's fault. He showed weakness, got punked by Putin and now you have 100's of thousand of refugees and a strengthened Russian presence in the region.

Obama showing weakness to Iran caused Israel to go the opposite direction. They don't feel they can trust the USA right now. All Obama's fault as Bush left that relationship in good shape.

Egypt? A huge mess because Obama didn't know what the hell he was doing. Backed an overthrow of Mubarak, backed elections, then had to back a coup when he didn't like the results.. Duh what results was he expecting.

Now Iraq is plummeting into chaos because of his lack of leadership in leaving security behind.

Most on the left just done talking politics in my circle. On the board we have a few hold outs like you.
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There is only one circumstance that "nation building" works in, and that is if the people of that nation desire the change. When will we learn we can't just waltz into some county with a vastly different culture and attempt to erect a government and culture that mirrors our own?
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Old 06-16-2014, 11:51 PM   #357
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There is only one circumstance that "nation building" works in, and that is if the people of that nation desire the change. When will we learn we can't just waltz into some county with a vastly different culture and attempt to erect a government and culture that mirrors our own?
You might want to tell Obama that. Egypt is now a human rights catastrophe, and has been billed as 'the least safest place for women' in the world.
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Old 06-16-2014, 11:59 PM   #358
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Classic.

The tea party is pretty well split on this. Many blame Bush to begin with.
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Also, since Obama is now ordering troops back into Iraq does that mean the Socialist Progressives here support the US being back involved in the war in Iraq? Or are you guys still against it? Just wondering, because your opinions (like Obama's and Hillary's) flip on a daily basis.

Hillary voted for the war in Iraq, voted to expand it, then says she made a mistake and really was against it. Now I'm sure she's for it. Incompetent liars.

The hyprocrisy of the Socialist Left knows no bounds.

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Also, since Obama is now ordering troops back into Iraq does that mean the Socialist Progressives here support the US being back involved in the war in Iraq? Or are you guys still against it? Just wondering, because your opinions (like Obama's and Hillary's) flip on a daily basis.

Hillary voted for the war in Iraq, voted to expand it, then says she made a mistake and really was against it. Now I'm sure she's for it. Incompetent liars.

The hyprocrisy of the Socialist Left knows no bounds.
You ****ing idiot, it's 275 troops to protect US assets.
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Old 06-17-2014, 06:25 AM   #361
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You ****ing idiot, it's 275 troops to protect US assets.
Hopefully he doens't abandon those 275 like he did to the in Benghazi.
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Most on the left just done talking politics in my circle. On the board we have a few hold outs like you.
Simple minded people like you need someone to blame. And the guy you don't like is of course the easiest target. Contrast your takes with those of someone like TJ who is smart enough to realize that there's plenty of blame to go around and that there is no "win" to be had.

Go read post #227 and try to counter it. I made this challenge earlier in the thread to the Obama blamers/haters and nobody, including you, has taken it.

Seriously, outside of putting several tens of thousands of U.S. boots on the ground, something we can't begin to afford to do, how are we going to expect to keep peace over there? Stop taking such strong, definitive positions on things you clearly don't fully comprehend.
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Seriously, outside of putting several tens of thousands of U.S. boots on the ground, something we can't begin to afford to do, how are we going to expect to keep peace over there? Stop taking such strong, definitive positions on things you clearly don't fully comprehend.
"Can't Afford?"

Can we afford 30,000 in Korea? 50,000 in Japan? 40,000 in Germany? 10k in Italy or GB?

Would've been a small investment towards the prevention of an outright Iranian proxy state. Full withdrawal was a mistake. It was a mistake enacted by many people and incremental decisions. But it was a mistake.
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The bozos will never admit Obama makes mistakes other than not making this country even more socialist. Pull the troops out of Iraq? Genius. Have to send more troops back in? Pure genius. But not surprising since these same people also supported the moron John Kerry, the king of the flip flop. There wasn't an issue he didn't claim he was for and also against and this idiocy was acceptable to his voters. They actually voted for that embarrassment, who also lied about our troops too, which isn't forgiven or forgotten by many.

Heck, all the leading democrats, including the Clintons and Kerry, stated before Bush became president, that Hussein in Iraq was a danger to the world and supported his removal. So if Bush "lied" what were these people doing? What intelligence were they getting that told them that since that was before Bush became president? Makes no sense. Bush lied, but these people spouted this "lie" before Bush came onto the scene, so they lied too? They voted for the war as well, so obviously there was no intelligence before that vote that stated otherwise or changed their opinions before that vote. I know, logic for liberals is a lost cause, but this Bush "lied" stuff is comical when the people they support had the same feelings and conclusions. So if Bush lied, so did they.

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"Can't Afford?"

Can we afford 30,000 in Korea? 50,000 in Japan? 40,000 in Germany? 10k in Italy or GB?

Would've been a small investment towards the prevention of an outright Iranian proxy state. Full withdrawal was a mistake. It was a mistake enacted by many people and incremental decisions. But it was a mistake.
There's a huge difference between troops who are "stationed" at a base in a peaceful situation and those who are occupying forces who can expect military engagement. And while maybe troops would have kept some form of peace, for how long? When does the occupation end? And how do you do it when you're not wanted there? Was it a "mistake"? Maybe. But it's the same one every leader would be forced to make at some point.
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There's a huge difference between troops who are "stationed" at a base in a peaceful situation and those who are occupying forces who can expect military engagement. And while maybe troops would have kept some form of peace, for how long? When does the occupation end? And how do you do it when you're not wanted there? Was it a "mistake"? Maybe. But it's the same one every leader would be forced to make at some point.
It's easy with decades of hindsight to misunderstand or forget what exactly the purpose was of those deployments.

The Korean DMZ wasn't exactly a 'safe' deployment for many years after it was established. But our placement there was meant as a deterrent. The thing nobody really answered at the time was "For How long?" or "Was the war a mistake?"

Because in reality the answer was "We don't know" and "However long it takes." Which apparently was at least 60+ years now.

Anyway, if you go around answering (publicly) with "Whoopsies" and "We'll be gone in a few months anyway, don't worry" you're undermining the whole point of being there in the first place.
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As usual Stewart points out the idiocy and selective memory of the right.

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/a6...ong-about-iraq
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"Can't Afford?"

Can we afford 30,000 in Korea? 50,000 in Japan? 40,000 in Germany? 10k in Italy or GB?

Would've been a small investment towards the prevention of an outright Iranian proxy state. Full withdrawal was a mistake. It was a mistake enacted by many people and incremental decisions. But it was a mistake.
Iraq war ends with a $4 trillion IOU

Veterans’ health care costs to rise sharply over the next 40 years

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The nine-year-old Iraq war came to an official end on Thursday, but paying for it will continue for decades until U.S. taxpayers have shelled out an estimated $4 trillion.

Over a 50-year period, that comes to $80 billion annually

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Nothing unites religious groups in the middle east like an American target to shoot at. Once we are gone it's back to the same ol' **** that has been going on for the last 1000 years.

Those who think the middle east is Obama's problem, that he caused it and it is what it is now is solely due to his foreign policy would fail every political science and history test that was ever provided to you. Pathetic simpletons.
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"Can't Afford?"

Can we afford 30,000 in Korea? 50,000 in Japan? 40,000 in Germany? 10k in Italy or GB?

Would've been a small investment towards the prevention of an outright Iranian proxy state. Full withdrawal was a mistake. It was a mistake enacted by many people and incremental decisions. But it was a mistake.
BWAHAHA this shows what an idiot you are in not being able to distinguish the difference between the scenarios and yet using them for comparison. Korea, Japan and Germany were all geographic ideologic wars, not a religious one. Iraq has at least 3 major religions fighting here as a religous war, geography is secondary. There is huge difference. Plus Korea was the playground for the US and Soviets to use their toys and to see which ideology was superior. Totally ****ing different. Go back to school and actually learn history you tool.
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Wow! It's amazing to me that the major media outlets who share an enormous responsibility for driving the U.S. into the debacle in Iraq in the first place (especially including the NY Times), are now dredging up Bush's cabal of hawks to once again sell intervention in Iraq. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5500372.html They're interviewing Feith, Wolfowitz, Bremer, etc. I find it jaw-dropping.

Perhaps the corporate media feel that there's more money to be made over there?

BTW, what was the biggest blunder in our entire disaster in Iraq? It was when Bremer disbanded the Iraqi army instead of using them to restore order. And now, who does media give a platform to discuss intervention? Bremer. ****ing jaw-dropping.

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Nothing unites religious groups in the middle east like an American target to shoot at. Once we are gone it's back to the same ol' **** that has been going on for the last 1000 years.

Those who think the middle east is Obama's problem, that he caused it and it is what it is now is solely due to his foreign policy would fail every political science and history test that was ever provided to you. Pathetic simpletons.
Some people don't realize that the borders of the ME and Africa were sketched out in the drawing rooms of Europe and have nothing to do with the people, or geography of the place.
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Some people don't realize that the borders of the ME and Africa were sketched out in the drawing rooms of Europe and have nothing to do with the people, or geography of the place.
Thus my reference to some of those debating here being cluless to history. Seriously this is basic stuff too. Really shows the American education system failed some people, but then again some people just fail.
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Thus my reference to some of those debating here being cluless to history. Seriously this is basic stuff too. Really shows the American education system failed some people, but then again some people just fail.
"American Exceptionalism."
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Anyway, if you go around answering (publicly) with "Whoopsies" and "We'll be gone in a few months anyway, don't worry" you're undermining the whole point of being there in the first place.
So, sounds to me like you're suggesting a full time, full scale occupation of Iraq. Right?
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