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Old 06-15-2014, 09:19 PM   #326
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I disagree. We do not have to be involved in the world and ALL its problems. The US has no money and is in decline
While I didn't believe the reasons to jump into Iraq, there was a reason to go to Afghanistan...it was our US problem.
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:59 AM   #327
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I don't get SS. I think the program would run fine if you didn't cut the taxes of the richest 1% in half and then pay for it by raiding the SS fund. Means testing would also be a good idea. Sane adults don't believe in the utopian infallibility of capitalism. Only fools believe that.
One of the main (and few) functions of government is to eliminate monopolies, and create conditions in which free-market economies can exist.

Unfettered government-sponsored crony-capitalism, subprime mortgage mandates, too big to fail banks backed by taxpayer dollars, tax-free loopholes for offshore businesses, and government-manipulated stock markets where CEO's make decisions based on enriching "investors" are hardly biproducts of free-market capitalism. Currently, almost the entire US economy is manipulated by US government redistribution policies.

Quite bluntly, the US government isn't doing it's job, and hasn't been for 100 years. What you see now is a perverse economic landscape of economic abnormalities and asset bubbles, all created by federal policies.
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ISIS, the brutal insurgent/terrorist group formerly known as al Qaeda in Iraq, has seized much of western and northern Iraq and even threatens towns not far from Baghdad.

From where did ISIS spring? One of George W. Bush's most toxic legacies is the introduction of al Qaeda into Iraq, which is the ISIS mother ship.

If this wasn't so tragic it would be supremely ironic, because before the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, top Bush officials were insisting that there was an al Qaeda-Iraq axis of evil. Their claims that Saddam Hussein's men were training members of al Qaeda how to make weapons of mass destruction seemed to be one of the most compelling rationales for the impending war.

After the fall of Hussein's regime, no documents were unearthed in Iraq proving the Hussein-al Qaeda axis despite the fact that, like other totalitarian regimes, Hussein's government kept massive and meticulous records.

The U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency had by 2006 translated 34 million pages of documents from Hussein's Iraq and found there was nothing to substantiate a "partnership" between Hussein and al Qaeda.

Two years later the Pentagon's own internal think tank, the Institute for Defense Analyses, concluded after examining 600,000 Hussein-era documents and several thousand hours of his regime's audio- and videotapes that there was no "smoking gun (i.e. direct connection between Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda.)"

The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence concluded in 2008, as every other investigation had before, that there was no "cooperative relationship" between Hussein and al Qaeda. The committee also found that "most of the contacts cited between Iraq and al Qaeda before the war by the intelligence community and policy makers have been determined not to have occurred."

Instead of interrupting a budding relationship between Hussein and al Qaeda, the Iraq War precipitated the arrival of al Qaeda into Iraq. Although the Bush administration tended to gloss over the fact, al Qaeda only formally established itself in Iraq a year and a half after the U.S. invasion.

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ISIS, the brutal insurgent/terrorist group formerly known as al Qaeda in Iraq, has seized much of western and northern Iraq and even threatens towns not far from Baghdad.

From where did ISIS spring? One of George W. Bush's most toxic legacies is the introduction of al Qaeda into Iraq, which is the ISIS mother ship.

If this wasn't so tragic it would be supremely ironic, because before the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, top Bush officials were insisting that there was an al Qaeda-Iraq axis of evil. Their claims that Saddam Hussein's men were training members of al Qaeda how to make weapons of mass destruction seemed to be one of the most compelling rationales for the impending war.

After the fall of Hussein's regime, no documents were unearthed in Iraq proving the Hussein-al Qaeda axis despite the fact that, like other totalitarian regimes, Hussein's government kept massive and meticulous records.

The U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency had by 2006 translated 34 million pages of documents from Hussein's Iraq and found there was nothing to substantiate a "partnership" between Hussein and al Qaeda.

Two years later the Pentagon's own internal think tank, the Institute for Defense Analyses, concluded after examining 600,000 Hussein-era documents and several thousand hours of his regime's audio- and videotapes that there was no "smoking gun (i.e. direct connection between Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda.)"

The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence concluded in 2008, as every other investigation had before, that there was no "cooperative relationship" between Hussein and al Qaeda. The committee also found that "most of the contacts cited between Iraq and al Qaeda before the war by the intelligence community and policy makers have been determined not to have occurred."

Instead of interrupting a budding relationship between Hussein and al Qaeda, the Iraq War precipitated the arrival of al Qaeda into Iraq. Although the Bush administration tended to gloss over the fact, al Qaeda only formally established itself in Iraq a year and a half after the U.S. invasion.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/13/opinio...html?hpt=hp_t1
So, CNN (Obama's secret girlfriend) is again blaming Bush for the current issues in Iraq while ignoring the fact that the instability in Syria is really the main issue here?

Listen, I'm aware that the invasion of Iraq was stupid and wrong, but people like you want to keep ignoring Obama's poor, or should a say, absolutely tragic, foreign policy. Obama has had what, 5 years? to help resolve the Syrian conflict through diplomacy. Instead, he's cockroached his way around the problem.

I'm not going to let you and your ilk blame Bush for this fiasco. This fiasco rests squarely on BO, the joke who is the president.
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Old 06-16-2014, 07:59 AM   #330
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did, and only the last paragraph mentions Syria. Again, this problem rests on BO for two simple reasons--his lack of diplomacy in Syria (or whatever he is doing covertly is failing) and his lack of diplomacy in Iraq. Yes, Bush created the Iraq problem but Obama could have ended it much better than he did.
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did, and only the last paragraph mentions Syria. Again, this problem rests on BO for two simple reasons--his lack of diplomacy in Syria (or whatever he is doing covertly is failing) and his lack of diplomacy in Iraq. Yes, Bush created the Iraq problem but Obama could have ended it much better than he did.
There was nothing any U.S. president could have done about Syria.
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There was nothing any U.S. president could have done about Syria.
how do you know? BO didn't even try...
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how do you know? BO didn't even try...
History is how I know. The idea of America as some kind of global god of crisis management is one we have to thoroughly get rid of. If Vietnam didn't teach us that we can't fix everything we touch I don't know what will. I guess we'll just keep shoving our noses in everybody's business until the end of our brief span on the historical stage. America just can't seem to grasp the idea of blowback.
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Old 06-16-2014, 09:15 AM   #335
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There was nothing any U.S. president could have done about Syria.
It wouldn't have been anymore difficult than Iraq, and that went so well.

We could have at least tried to make it worse.
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Old 06-16-2014, 09:28 AM   #336
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Do you all not remember why we went to Iraq? Do you not remember the first time when Saddam was shooting scuds at Israel? We got sucked in to protect the holy land. Then they sat back as our boys shed their blood and we pissed away trillions. The second go round they convinced us that Saddam had WMDs. We know how that worked out.

I say this time let ISRAEL handle what's happening in their back yard. Oh I know. Someone will say if "Israel gets involved it will be WWWIII". Hell WWWIII may be breaking out in Eastern Europe anyway.

If you haven't noticed dicators and terrorists are on the move. They know America won't do **** right now.

Now obama is kissing ass to Iran for help.

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Old 06-16-2014, 09:58 AM   #337
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Do you all not remember why we went to Iraq? Do you not remember the first time when Saddam was shooting scuds at Israel? We got sucked in to protect the holy land. Then they sat back as our boys shed their blood and we pissed away trillions. The second go round they convinced us that Saddam had WMDs. We know how that worked out.

I say this time let ISRAEL handle what's happening in their back yard. Oh I know. Someone will say if "Israel gets involved it will be WWWIII". Hell WWWIII may be breaking out in Eastern Europe anyway.

If you haven't noticed dicators and terrorists are on the move. They know America won't do **** right now.

Now obama is kissing ass to Iran for help.
I believe the scuds were launched at Israel AFTER the invasion of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia occurred. The Arab worlds were condemning Saddam and he launched at Israel to get them to back off because that would have meant that they were supporting them.
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Hey Meck, would you rather the Obama send US troops back into Iraq or start dropping bombs rather than "kissing Iran's ass"?
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Hey Meck, would you rather the Obama send US troops back into Iraq or start dropping bombs rather than "kissing Iran's ass"?
I would rather see Israel duke it out with THEIR enemies. Do I need to post Bin Laden's declaration of war for you guys to jog your memories on why all this **** is going on? Meanwhile you guys are insulting one another, wasting your precious time when the root of the issue has always been Israel and the holy land.

Come one fellas. Wake up. Ask yourselves who is really pulling the strings on America entangling us in all this crap. It's not bush, it's not obama.

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This is why drilling our own oil is paramount instead of stupidly sending money to other countries to do it. The Muslim world is all about power and killing. If there are no Christians or Jews to kill, they kill each other. Let them keep their oil and really have nothing else and watch them kill each other to see who has all the power in that region. This is also why putting Islam and Christianity in the same boat, as some try to do, is ridiculous. The Arab world couldn't care less about the Palestinians either. If Israel ceased to exist and there were no Jews in that region, the surrounding countries would be going in and slaughtering every Palestinian they could find for that land.
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This is why drilling our own oil is paramount instead of stupidly sending money to other countries to do it..
Absolutely! Connoco is pulling permits to start drilling in Eastern Aurora Colorado as we speak. Yes I said Aurora Colorado. What was once considered the ghetto is one of the fastest hottest real estate markets in the metro area. If those wells start producing look out. We are talking full blown growth insanity.

If they hit it that means jobs, taxes, one less terrorist getting rich, less Americans getting killed for holy oil land bull shiat.

The issue with drilling at home. Nobody wants it in their back yard! It's not a perfect world.
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It's time to bring the troops home -- call an end to US imperialism --

Someone please tell the bankers.
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Robert Fisk: How does Tony Blair get away with his lies?

Sunday 15 June 2014

Robert Fisk: Now we see how his doctrine turns enemies into Ďalliesí
Assadís enemies, whom Blairís bombing of Damascus would have helped, now threaten Iraq


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This is why drilling our own oil is paramount instead of stupidly sending money to other countries to do it. The Muslim world is all about power and killing. If there are no Christians or Jews to kill, they kill each other. Let them keep their oil and really have nothing else and watch them kill each other to see who has all the power in that region. This is also why putting Islam and Christianity in the same boat, as some try to do, is ridiculous. The Arab world couldn't care less about the Palestinians either. If Israel ceased to exist and there were no Jews in that region, the surrounding countries would be going in and slaughtering every Palestinian they could find for that land.
Hate to break the news to you but even if we opened all land we still don't have enough oil to meet our needs. Which means we'll still have to send money over seas.

You want to stop sending money over there then we need to get rid of/dramatically lower our need for oil, such as renewable energy sources.

Drilling for more oil is like a crackhead saying he's going to quit spending money on crack by finding more drug dealers to buy crack from.
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This is why drilling our own oil is paramount instead of stupidly sending money to other countries to do it. The Muslim world is all about power and killing. If there are no Christians or Jews to kill, they kill each other. Let them keep their oil and really have nothing else and watch them kill each other to see who has all the power in that region. This is also why putting Islam and Christianity in the same boat, as some try to do, is ridiculous. The Arab world couldn't care less about the Palestinians either. If Israel ceased to exist and there were no Jews in that region, the surrounding countries would be going in and slaughtering every Palestinian they could find for that land.
Really??

U.S. oil exports hit highest level in 15 years, Gulf Coast ports benefiting

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We don't get that much oil from the mideast but it's still important to the words oil prices. Why can't people understand that a US President can't let that region fall into chaos? Sad because Obama is doing just that.

Biden failed miserably when Obummer sent him to Iraq to negotiate an agreement to leave troops. He just gave up and was like they want to try us soldiers in Iraqi courts so we are out of here.

They would have caved if Biden and Obama had tried harder. But the fact is Obama wanted to get out because he is too stupid to understand what would happen.

Now we have to cozy up to Iran just to maintain security in Iraq? **** what a cluster****. Iran will have the bomb soon and it will be 150% Obamas fault.
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Old 06-16-2014, 04:31 PM   #347
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Are you serious? Bush as prophet?

Where were you in 2002? When millions of us protested in the streets and warned Bush. We said very clearly: do not do this war! It will end in disaster. No one listened.

It was GW and others in his administration, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, etc etc who lied through their teeth to link Al Qaead (and 9/11) to Saddam Hussein. But none of it stuck. All lies.

But the US shock and Awe, invasion and occupation convinced Muslims that the US was waging war on them, and on Islam.

Not a smart policy. We are seeing the results now. The US gave Al Qaeda the ultimate promo campaign.

A three star general later said: Iraq is the biggest blunder in US history.

He was right. Up to that point. But now Obama may be on the verge of an even bigger Blunder. In Ukraine.

The lesson of history is never learned. The lesson is to lead by good example -- not with force of arms. Too simple.

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Why can't people understand that a US President can't let that region fall into chaos? Sad because Obama is doing just that.
lol, so it's Obama's fault that the region fell into chaos?!? Really? Dude, seriously, just stop posting.
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Hate to break the news to you but even if we opened all land we still don't have enough oil to meet our needs. Which means we'll still have to send money over seas.

You want to stop sending money over there then we need to get rid of/dramatically lower our need for oil, such as renewable energy sources.

Drilling for more oil is like a crackhead saying he's going to quit spending money on crack by finding more drug dealers to buy crack from.
Sorry to break this news to you, but these bozo green technology has gotten nothing accomplished in 20 years except government bailouts and wasted money. Until anything changes there, which I doubt, then oil is the need. We can suppose drilling for our own oil won't meet needs, but that's no excuse to not try, while other countries are doing it, which noticeably, is without a peep of criticism from those who are against the U.S. doing more. I wonder why that is.
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