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Old 06-12-2014, 04:00 PM   #151
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You're right, but they didn't. Mainly because the Republicans had control of both houses and the White House... they never offered anything contrary.
I thought that Dems controlled the Senate, pretty sure they did.
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Old 06-12-2014, 04:03 PM   #152
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Jesus, get the ****ing tin foil hat off your head?!!!!
I'm not an Obama cheerleader, but christ... I'd ask you to back some of that crap up with sources, but you'll feed me a bunch of Newsmax articles and right-wing blogs.
Yeah, you DIDN'T vote for Bush... my ass.
You think I'm a hypocrite? Fine, I think you're a LIAR.
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1. I voted for Bill Clinton in 1996, because I was a dumb 18 year old. I should have voted for Perot.
2. I didn't didn't vote in 2000 because I didn't like either GWB, the neocons, or Gore.
3. I voted for Nader in 2004, because I didn't support the war in Iraq or Afghanistan. I didn't like the Patriot Act. And I didn't like Kerry.
4. I voted for the Catholic Priest in 2008, because I knew Obama was lying and didn't trust his agenda. 2 weeks before the election he said he would use drone bombing in Pakistan, which I'm against. I'm also against neocons like McCain.
5. In 2012, I voted for Romney because I am completely against the Socialist Progressive agenda, which is far more destructive to the US than anything else in my lifetime.

I'll never vote for a Socialist Progressive, and I'll never vote for a Neocon. My conscience is just fine. I'd like to keep it that way.
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Old 06-12-2014, 04:07 PM   #153
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Really? What's the argument I've lost? I actually don't see an argument, just an unanswered question.

I want to know whether or not there is a limit or should be a limit on the 2nd amendment. No one will give a yes no answer to that.
There's already limits to the 2nd amendment, for example, you can't go out and purchase a working artillery battery, can you? Correct me if I'm wrong here but you can't buy a working Apache helicopter or a F-18 Hornet. You can't go out and purchase a nuclear war head or a military drone.

There's all kinds of limits to what you can and can't have when it comes to the second amendment.
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Old 06-12-2014, 04:21 PM   #154
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That's a little unfair dude. It's not like when presidential administrations change that Bush's war stopped and Obama's began. Cmon man, that's just stupid to think that way. It doesn't work like that and you know it. Obama could not just take office and day 1 yank everybody back home. It really sounds like you are just after anything you can find to proclaim your dislike for the man. That's fine, there are some people out there who just see things their affiliated party wants them to see. It really sounded like from your previous post that you truly do want a thriving middle class and I can tell you, that's not what the Republicans in power want. A shrinking middle class is just perfect for them. They would like to grow the poor class as large as they can and further the income disparity. You know this to be true. See the 1% thrive on a bad economy. That's when everything gets so cheap they can buy it all up. They create laws that help them do this. You vote Republican for gun laws, ok, I get that. But you're also helping to keep income disparity the way it is and to further change in favor of the 1%. And don't lay it down like we think everything in America is their fault, that's 5th grader stuff. Every president and congress make bad choices, it's the way it is. But the one thing that never changes, and is as consistent as a good bowl of oatmeal (haha, had to throw that in there) is the 1% attempting to circumvent the system and to continue pushing for ways that their money can be utilized in efforts to tax them less and less and to keep hiding their money overseas, to keep sending jobs over seas, and so on and so on. They don't give a damn about the American people, they give a damn about profit, and that's it. You guys keep talking about rights being taken away. Rights is a relative term. How about a woman's right to choose. How about a gay person's right to marry who ever they want. How about a person right to vote. These are all rights that the hard right wing is hellbent on taking, has taken, or is in the process of taking away. What about those rights?
1. I am against Socialist Progressives, and I am against establishment Republicans.
2. I think establishment Republicans are bad, because they want to continue to fund the military-industrial complex. I completely believe in spending 20% of US Federal Tax receipts on the US Military, but I don't believe in perpetual deficit spending.
3. However, I believe the Socialist Progressives are MUCH MUCH worse. Inflation due to deficit spending is the largest primary driver in the widening gap between the rich and the poor. Government control over private enterprises ends in horrific consequences for all.
4. I do believe that the US Constitution is the best governing document ever made. The closer we stick to it, the better off we'll be.
5. Yes, the US Constitution got it wrong by declaring slaves 3/5 of a person. We have moved past that mistake now. No one can claim inequality anymore.
6. Women's right to choose: You realize that the US has the most lenient abortion laws in the entire world already? The vast majority of Europe disallows abortion after 20 weeks. Texas was vilified by Socialist Progressives for proposing that same thing. No, I don't think you should be allowed to have an abortion any time you want, if you chose to have sex to begin with.
7. Legalize gay marriage, and legalize drugs for people over 18 everywhere. No problem with any of that.
8. Person right to vote: Requiring ID's to vote is not a bad thing, and doesn't inhibit anyone from voting. Yes, I think someone should be a verified citizen to vote.

I believe in individual rights and responsibilities. It's the only way a free society can exist. I also believe in a government which provides conditions in which free markets can thrive. Too big to fail banks do not live by free market principles, neither does single payer healthcare, etc.
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Old 06-12-2014, 04:24 PM   #155
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What is the problem with guns? I got a couple safes full.
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Old 06-12-2014, 05:18 PM   #156
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1. I am against Socialist Progressives, and I am against establishment Republicans.
2. I think establishment Republicans are bad, because they want to continue to fund the military-industrial complex. I completely believe in spending 20% of US Federal Tax receipts on the US Military, but I don't believe in perpetual deficit spending.
3. However, I believe the Socialist Progressives are MUCH MUCH worse. Inflation due to deficit spending is the largest primary driver in the widening gap between the rich and the poor. Government control over private enterprises ends in horrific consequences for all.
4. I do believe that the US Constitution is the best governing document ever made. The closer we stick to it, the better off we'll be.
5. Yes, the US Constitution got it wrong by declaring slaves 3/5 of a person. We have moved past that mistake now. No one can claim inequality anymore.
6. Women's right to choose: You realize that the US has the most lenient abortion laws in the entire world already? The vast majority of Europe disallows abortion after 20 weeks. Texas was vilified by Socialist Progressives for proposing that same thing. No, I don't think you should be allowed to have an abortion any time you want, if you chose to have sex to begin with.
7. Legalize gay marriage, and legalize drugs for people over 18 everywhere. No problem with any of that.
8. Person right to vote: Requiring ID's to vote is not a bad thing, and doesn't inhibit anyone from voting. Yes, I think someone should be a verified citizen to vote.

I believe in individual rights and responsibilities. It's the only way a free society can exist. I also believe in a government which provides conditions in which free markets can thrive. Too big to fail banks do not live by free market principles, neither does single payer healthcare, etc.
Sounds all good but you're dead wrong on why the income gap is so large. And let's not pretend Republican's haven't done there share on the deficit. Clinton left Bush a surplus, which was quickly wasted and here we are today. Romney could not have undone what Bush Jr and Wallstreet did. This horrid economy was going to be there for whichever guy won.

The biggest reason for the deficit is reduced tax revenue. Pure and simple. You can't start wars, cut taxes and increase military spending. That's the fastest way to take a surplus and turn in into a deficit. That's exactly what Bush did. I'm also going to lump deregulation in there on that one because we saw what Wallstreet does when nobody is watching. They cheat, and then ask for bailouts after it all goes bad. Both of those are on the Republican's hands. The next would be increases in unemployment and early SS withdrawl. This would be shared with both parties. People can't find jobs, thanks to the crash, a horrid economy takes time to recover from, no two ways around that fact. You can say Bush had his part, a major part, and if you want, you can say Obama hasn't done much to help it out as fast as it could have came back but anybody who thinks you can flip the switch from a great recession to a thriving economy is FOS. The 3rd would be military spending/waste/wars. Yeah, I think we know who that one belongs to. 4th would be the least, a tie for Bush's TARP and Obama's Stimulus.

So that's how the deficit got to where it is. The biggest reason for the gap in income is simple. CEO's and the top ilk give themselves the cream of the crop. The rest work for less wages, no raises, reduced benefits, and on and on.

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Old 06-13-2014, 03:52 AM   #157
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No. I never voted for Bush. What's funny is guys like you who constantly bring up the Iraq War which ended 5 years ago, to somehow justify this administrations 14+ illegal wars. Or you just somehow conveniently forget everything that's happened in the last 6 years.

Acting like the Iraq war, which was legal as voted on by Congress, somehow trumps every other war that the US has entered or expanded since then, while completely dismissing the current administration's extremely destructive foreign policy.
It's funny the only legal was pushed through on fear and false pretenses .

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Old 06-13-2014, 06:35 AM   #158
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http://www.columbiamissouricaraccide...injured-w.html


Here is one example I found. You are all just backing up my point. If someone shoots someone its the guns fault. But other then that it was just the foolish person.


Within the next 24 hours, an average 460 people will receive emergency room medical treatment for traffic-related pedestrian injuries, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Within the next two hours, a pedestrian will be killed in a traffic crash.
You know we license people to drive cars, correct? And that cars serve a purpose beyond killing people?
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There's already limits to the 2nd amendment, for example, you can't go out and purchase a working artillery battery, can you? Correct me if I'm wrong here but you can't buy a working Apache helicopter or a F-18 Hornet. You can't go out and purchase a nuclear war head or a military drone.

There's all kinds of limits to what you can and can't have when it comes to the second amendment.
You're not answering the question he is asking. Here's asking the latter of these two, not the former:

ARE there limits on the 2nd amendment?
SHOULD there be limits on the 2nd amendment?
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serve a purpose beyond killing people?
That's all you needed to say right there. It's why your perspective is so flawed.
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That's all you needed to say right there. It's why your perspective is so flawed.
You're right. A car's only purpose is killing/injuring. You totally nailed that.
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You're not answering the question he is asking. Here's asking the latter of these two, not the former:

ARE there limits on the 2nd amendment?
SHOULD there be limits on the 2nd amendment?
The question has already been answered because there are limits to the second amendment. Again, you can't own a working artillery cannon (for example). You can't legally own a working stinger missle. There are all sorts of military weapons a private citizen cannot legally own and operate.
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You're right. A car's only purpose is killing/injuring. You totally nailed that.
Most people don't see a gun's sole purpose is to kill people.
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Most people don't see a gun's sole purpose is to kill people.
Seriously, Zombies are not people anymore.
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You're right. A car's only purpose is killing/injuring. You totally nailed that.
I can only assume you're a vegetarian.
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This thread really shows who the whack job liberals are. No wonder why a good portion of people want to divide the state of Colorado into two separate states.
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This thread is a good indication of why America needs guns to protect themselves from full on idiots.


Also, a gun can most definitely serve its purpose without even firing one shot.

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The question has already been answered because there are limits to the second amendment. Again, you can't own a working artillery cannon (for example). You can't legally own a working stinger missle. There are all sorts of military weapons a private citizen cannot legally own and operate.
Ahh, and here comes the willfully obtuse stupidity.
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This thread is a good indication of why America needs guns to protect themselves from full on idiots.


Also, a gun can most definitely serve its purpose without even firing one shot.
Or put another way... Gaff and MacGruder have the same vote you do. Therefore free people need guns.
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Ahh, and here comes the willfully obtuse stupidity.
The question has been answered by the government already. Each state has its own limits on what can and can't be owned by a private citizen. The feds have stringent laws on what can and can't be owned by private citizens. There are several layers of laws/limits already in place.
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Name one foreign policy positive achievement that this administration has made. You won't find one. Everything they've done ends in complete disaster.

Yet you're ready to pipe up when you can blame something on Bush. Pathetic.
Bush started a war in Iraq based on fear and lies and it cost the us 757.8 billion dollars. I am not a Obama supporter but neither he or Hillary have done anything close to that epic **** up.
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Most people don't see a gun's sole purpose is to kill people.
I go skeet shooting every Thursday . Pretty sure the only thing I'm killing is the environment with a little lead poisoning. I would like someone on here to also try and kill a elk with a knife or better yet a bear.
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The question has been answered by the government already. Each state has its own limits on what can and can't be owned by a private citizen. The feds have stringent laws on what can and can't be owned by private citizens. There are several layers of laws/limits already in place.
Are you really to dense to understand the question being asked?
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Are you really to dense
Bad time to rely on spell check.
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Bad time to rely on spell check.
I was going let it slide cause errors happen all the time. When it happens in sentences that call out another's intelligence, it's hard to let it slip.
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