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Old 06-11-2014, 07:28 PM   #51
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Yeah, but the radicals rule the primaries. That could possibly happen on the Democratic side in a few years as more liberal candidates could try to unseat "the establishment" that is what happened to Dennis Kucinich.
I like what we have in CA now which is an open primary where the top two regardless of party affiliation advance. This setup helps promote more centrist candidates for the general election.
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Pure pablum devoid of any real substance.

Of course.
Sounds like Hope and Change Part Deux?
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John Huntsman.
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John Huntsman.
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Old 06-12-2014, 12:00 PM   #56
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Yeah, but the radicals rule the primaries. That could possibly happen on the Democratic side in a few years as more liberal candidates could try to unseat "the establishment" that is what happened to Dennis Kucinich.
I seem to recall Dennis' district got gerrymandered out of existence by a Republican driven state redistricting effort in Ohio.
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There is no republican liberals around here would ever support.
Not true. My preferred candidate early in the '12 election cycle was Jon Huntsman. Wish he'd try again.. Although the radicalization of the Republican primary process makes that, or any other sane, moderate Republican run moot.
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I seem to recall Dennis' district got gerrymandered out of existence by a Republican driven state redistricting effort in Ohio.
Did you say gerrymandering?

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Not true. My preferred candidate early in the '12 election cycle was Jon Huntsman. Wish he'd try again.. Although the radicalization of the Republican primary process makes that, or any other sane, moderate Republican run moot.
Lol. Huntsman had a more conservative record than Romney. He was just critical of the party as he came on the scene, which earned him the admiration of Democrats who otherwise didn't bother to look at his record. Good way to become the "Democrats' Favorite Republican"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/cent...rate-after-all

A mantle he pretty much took from John McCain, who held that title right up until the point where he was about to be nominated and become plausible. At which point all Democrats reliably tend to abandon ship on their "Favorite Republican"
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Lol. Huntsman had a more conservative record than Romney. He was just critical of the party as he came on the scene, which earned him the admiration of Democrats who otherwise didn't bother to look at his record. Good way to become the "Democrats' Favorite Republican"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/cent...rate-after-all

A mantle he pretty much took from John McCain, who held that title right up until the point where he was about to be nominated and become plausible. At which point all Democrats reliably tend to abandon ship on their "Favorite Republican"
Sure - but I'm not Dem. I'm independent. And centrist. And old.

Most modern Repubs have boarded the crazy train.

When Eric f#$%'in Cantor isn't "conservative enough", you've lost your way.
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Sure - but I'm not Dem. I'm independent. And centrist. And old.

Most modern Repubs have boarded the crazy train.

When Eric f#$%'in Cantor isn't "conservative enough", you've lost your way.
You say that, but Republicans just nominated someone who was honestly to the left of Huntsman.
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I was amazed to find out there is somebody to the Right of Cantor who isn't named Adolph.
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Remember back in 2012 after the election when one polling firm pretty much destroyed everyone else?

That firm, PPP, polled the Virginia 7th about three weeks ago, Republicans only. They found Eric Cantor with a 43% approval rate, 53% disapproval. That ended up being very close to the margin of his defeat.
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Old 06-13-2014, 05:12 AM   #65
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I was amazed to find out there is somebody to the Right of Cantor who isn't named Adolph.
Is it Dave Brat's advocacy for free markets and limited national government with term limits that remind you of Hitler's National Socialists?
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Is it Dave Brat's advocacy for free markets and limited national government with term limits that remind you of Hitler's National Socialists?
It was just a joke. Relax.

What Cantor's loss does mean is that the extremists are winning the helm of the GOP and American politics is going to get a whole lot uglier. Think of this, at its base the Cantor loss reflects that the nativists in the Tea Party (who despise immigrants in general and hispanics specifically) have spoken. The rest of the GOP in Washington is not going to go near any comprehensive immigration bill in the future. The Cantor loss also points out that the radicals in the Tea Party are no longer going to buy the bull**** from the party leaders where they run on extremist views and then once elected, simply go back to serving their corporate masters. No. Now the Tea Party wants to see some real extremism out of their candidates. Privatize SS, get rid of the EPA, Medicare, Medicaid, Dept. of Education, etc etc etc. Some REAL third rail issues.

It's kind of sad that the majority of Democrats in this country still haven't figured out that their party has been pulling the same bait and switch on them for decades. How they can still believe in Obama, who is basically a creature invented by Goldman Sachs, is beyond me, but they do. Now, they're putting their faith in Hillary, which would simply be a continuation of Obama's Wall Street politics. At any rate, the Right in Washington is about to get much more extreme which means that the banksters, and Wall Street (who despise extremism of any kind) are going to throw their weight behind the Dems, who have become their darlings. Like Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Sherrod Brown and Franken (and a few others) are going to have to leave that party if they hope to retain any kind of progressive credentials.

Basically, the next presidential election will probably come down to Koch Brothers extremist libertarians vs. Wall Street and the banksters. I weep for America.

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How much more radicalized can the right get?
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How much more radicalized can the right get?
Hopefully, in the general election, Brat gets obliterated and the VA voters send a signal. If not, it just empowers the worst elements on the Right, like Cruz and Issa.
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Cantor is not very likable and the Tea Tards wanted someone who showed more hate for the brown peoples. Add in that this was an open primary with a serge of new voters that were not his...and he got swept away with two separate flood waters converging at the same moment.
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There is no republican liberals around here would ever support.
I'm left leaning, and I too could have supported Huntsman. I still have a good amount of respect for Christie (pending the results of that bridge scandal). Chuck Hagel did a lot of good work for my home state of Nebraska as well.
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Hopefully, in the general election, Brat gets obliterated and the VA voters send a signal. If not, it just empowers the worst elements on the Right, like Cruz and Issa.
The VA 7th is very conservative distract, Brat is shoe in to win unless pics of him, a midget whore and donkey show up on Fox News.
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John Huntsman.
Yep, and I'm curious to know which Dems barryr would support, as long as he's throwing stones.
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Did you vote for this guy:




'The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government can not pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here." Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.' -Barack Obama
lol, love the libtard hypocrits.

I love it that Cantor lost to a true conservative....
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