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Old 06-04-2014, 06:53 AM   #201
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But missing and captured soldiers have never had to undergo a character check before being rescued by their government. Should they now face trial by Bill Kristol before we decide whether to rescue them? Is Sarah Palin going to preside over a military death panel for captured soldiers suspected of inadequate dedication to the war effort?

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/03/the_...ium=socialflow
missing soldiers don't normally leave behind notes and missing soldiers normally don't have the entire platoon saying he deserted his post. are you serious? forget the political part of this. don't tell me you think bergdahl is a saint in all this and deserves a heroes welcome.
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:17 AM   #204
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But missing and captured soldiers have never had to undergo a character check before being rescued by their government. Should they now face trial by Bill Kristol before we decide whether to rescue them? Is Sarah Palin going to preside over a military death panel for captured soldiers suspected of inadequate dedication to the war effort?

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/03/the_...ium=socialflow
Bull****. We've had many cases of soldiers defecting to the other side over the years. Our approach has pretty consistently been "Well, I guess you're on your own"
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Old 06-04-2014, 07:26 AM   #205
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But missing and captured soldiers have never had to undergo a character check before being rescued by their government. Should they now face trial by Bill Kristol before we decide whether to rescue them? Is Sarah Palin going to preside over a military death panel for captured soldiers suspected of inadequate dedication to the war effort?

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/03/the_...ium=socialflow
Smh. Some people will defend even the most blatant of mistakes. Both repubs and democrats think this was ridiculous.
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You'd think she would have learned from Benghazi, but there she goes again, going around saying this guy served honorably and is a hero. So if pointing out his desertion is quick to judge, so is painting this guy a hero before all the facts are out too. Not that it matters since these people can say and do whatever and most of the media will give a free pass.
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It used to be Congress had to be involved and even hearings and votes taken, but not anymore. This president is changing rules and laws as he goes with no consequences, so why should any other president from now on be expected to be different?
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You'd think she would have learned from Benghazi, but there she goes again, going around saying this guy served honorably and is a hero. So if pointing out his desertion is quick to judge, so is painting this guy a hero before all the facts are out too. Not that it matters since these people can say and do whatever and most of the media will give a free pass.
She should just shut the **** up on Sunday mornings. It's to the point of hilarity.
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missing soldiers don't normally leave behind notes and missing soldiers normally don't have the entire platoon saying he deserted his post. are you serious? forget the political part of this. don't tell me you think bergdahl is a saint in all this and deserves a heroes welcome.
Of course I don't, and he's likely to be court-martialed. You still don't intentionally leave a soldier in hostile territory overseas. We don't do that in America.

Can you imagine the outrage from the right had we NOT brought him back? "OBAMA DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ARR TRUUPZ! BENGHAZIIIIIIIII!"
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Old 06-04-2014, 08:04 AM   #210
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Smh. Some people will defend even the most blatant of mistakes. Both repubs and democrats think this was ridiculous.
That's liberals for you. Just don't have it in them to say the King did anything wrong. Ever.
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Of course I don't, and he's likely to be court-martialed. You still don't intentionally leave a soldier in hostile territory overseas. We don't do that in America.

Can you imagine the outrage from the right had we NOT brought him back? "OBAMA DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ARR TRUUPZ! BENGHAZIIIIIIIII!"

So we can find Suddam, we can find Obama Bin Laden, we have done rescues before where we have troops go in and get our soldiers, but after 5 years..........5 years knowing that he more than likely deflected, it takes us having to wheel n deal and trade 5 top terroist to bring back this soldier?


Give me a break. This only shows that once more, Obama doesn't know wtf he is doing during wartime as the C and C. All he does is cave in to the enemy and lick their balls at every chance.
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Of course I don't, and he's likely to be court-martialed. You still don't intentionally leave a soldier in hostile territory overseas. We don't do that in America.

Can you imagine the outrage from the right had we NOT brought him back? "OBAMA DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ARR TRUUPZ! BENGHAZIIIIIIIII!"
, they'd talked about dealing for him years ago. Then they stopped talking about it for a couple years. And nobody cared.

We effing assassinated Awlaki ourselves (an American Citizen) for collaborating with the enemy, and I'm guessing you didn't have much to say about that.
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Of course I don't, and he's likely to be court-martialed. You still don't intentionally leave a soldier in hostile territory overseas. We don't do that in America.

Can you imagine the outrage from the right had we NOT brought him back? "OBAMA DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ARR TRUUPZ! BENGHAZIIIIIIIII!"
the hell u talking about. it wasn't like he was captured 5 days ago. its been 5yrs. nobody knew who this guy was until he was released. if he goes another 5yrs, i doubt anybody will know. the point was the guy was given a heroes welcome. Obama, the state department are acting like idiots. if this guy was truly a hero, i would be behind Obama. but he isn't. he is a deserter. he went awol. he wanted to join the enemy. let the mf stay there, don't trade key terrorist for him. now that you got him, you're going to court martial him and put him in jail. WTF, does that make any sense

i was in the armed forces. i know what it means to stand next to someone who you don't know, but know that we both fight the our loved ones at home and our freedom. though i wasn't born in the states, i proudly had the letters US over my heart and i understood what it means. this guy is a disgrace. he turned his back on his county and his brothers. to have obama greeting his parents is sickening. guys like bergdahl doesn't know what it means to be an american, they were born here. they don't know what it means to not be an american.

but you, because of your stupid political alliances can't see any of that. all you see is that your hero is being attacked and rightfully so. you don't see the consequences of obamas action. all you can do is blindly defend his actions.
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, they'd talked about dealing for him years ago. Then they stopped talking about it for a couple years. And nobody cared.

We effing assassinated Awlaki ourselves (an American Citizen) for collaborating with the enemy, and I'm guessing you didn't have much to say about that.
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He better be glad his fellow soldiers didn't find him in those first couple months. If he did what they say he did, there probably would have been a report of another case of a friendly fire death.
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the hell u talking about. it wasn't like he was captured 5 days ago. its been 5yrs. nobody knew who this guy was until he was released. if he goes another 5yrs, i doubt anybody will know. the point was the guy was given a heroes welcome. Obama, the state department are acting like idiots. if this guy was truly a hero, i would be behind Obama. but he isn't. he is a deserter. he went awol. he wanted to join the enemy. let the mf stay there, don't trade key terrorist for him. now that you got him, you're going to court martial him and put him in jail. WTF, does that make any sense

i was in the armed forces. i know what it means to stand next to someone who you don't know, but know that we both fight the our loved ones at home and our freedom. though i wasn't born in the states, i proudly had the letters US over my heart and i understood what it means. this guy is a disgrace. he turned his back on his county and his brothers. to have obama greeting his parents is sickening. guys like bergdahl doesn't know what it means to be an american, they were born here. they don't know what it means to not be an american.

but you, because of your stupid political alliances can't see any of that. all you see is that your hero is being attacked and rightfully so. you don't see the consequences of obamas action. all you can do is blindly defend his actions.

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There are a lot of reasons WHY this was a bad decision. I do not even think bad is the right word. Reprehensible.
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I guess the current political leadership of our country isn't very familiar with the definition of the word "HONORABLE".
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The five sworn enemies of the United States are now in the Gulf state of Qatar, where they are free to come and go as they like, beyond the watch of American agents. In just one year, they will be free to return to Afghanistan to fight there and stage terror attacks far beyond that country’s borders.

These facts were known to Obama when he made the deal, and yet he went ahead in irresponsible disregard for lives he has endangered. As the facts have emerged — and more surely will — it has become ever clearer that he lost his presidential compass in the Taliban swap.

In retrospect, his Rose Garden announcement that he was bringing home an American POW appears to have been a cynical act of theater.
I'd say the wheels have officially fallen off Obama's presidency.
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It's looking more to me like they made this move at this time so Obama can rev up his base about closing Gitmo and to try to show he cares about the troops. If the report is true the Pentagon pretty much knew where this guy was the whole time, then they decided this guy was a deserter and if wanting to be friendly with the enemy, then leave him. But now all of a sudden, he's considered a capture and a great soldier and "don't leave a soldier behind." Of course that refers to soldiers who are not joining the enemy, much less actively helping them. This guy's father talking about Gitmo closing and speaking Arabic at the WH sure makes this story more about just a prisoner swap, which in itself, was idiotic and done against the law. But I stated before, this admin. has been thumbing its nose at the Constitution since 2009, but nothing ever happens because of it. Just as some want to say we should wait before condemning this soldier, the same applies before calling him a hero and giving him a medal. Medals need to be earned, though I know we have a John Kerry around.
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It's looking more to me like they made this move at this time so Obama can rev up his base about closing Gitmo and to try to show he cares about the troops. If the report is true the Pentagon pretty much knew where this guy was the whole time, then they decided this guy was a deserter and if wanting to be friendly with the enemy, then leave him. But now all of a sudden, he's considered a capture and a great soldier and "don't leave a soldier behind." Of course that refers to soldiers who are not joining the enemy, much less actively helping them. This guy's father talking about Gitmo closing and speaking Arabic at the WH sure makes this story more about just a prisoner swap, which in itself, was idiotic and done against the law. But I stated before, this admin. has been thumbing its nose at the Constitution since 2009, but nothing ever happens because of it. Just as some want to say we should wait before condemning this soldier, the same applies before calling him a hero and giving him a medal. Medals need to be earned, though I know we have a John Kerry around.
It's becoming pretty plain that the White House thought they could recapture the news cycle from the dismal news at the VA. They just had no idea how epically that would backfire.
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I guess the current political leadership of our country isn't very familiar with the definition of the word "HONORABLE".
Well, look who is in this admin. People who have never been in the military, no family members who served, and more contempt for the military than anyone else. And those that do have military experience, are career idiots like Kerry and Hagel. Biden has experience with military matters in committees, but talk about a career idiot. None of these people know much or really care to know about the military. They believe anyone who is in the military is stupid and the military, like everything else, is just a useful political tool when needed. Otherwise, can't be bothered or care.
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Lists of former Guantanamo Bay detainees alleged to have returned to terrorism as of May 2009.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_o...d_to_terrorism

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“These particular individuals are hardened terrorists who have the blood of Americans and countless Afghans on their hands,” Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said in a statement. “I am eager to learn what precise steps are being taken to ensure that these vicious and violent Taliban extremists never return to the fight against the United States and our partners or engage in any activities that can threaten the prospects for peace and security in Afghanistan.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...e4d_story.html
I'd put that same question to those lawmakers now upset with the release of the 5 Taliban detainees. What steps were taken for prisoners released between 2004-2009?

Also, my understanding is those 5 high value Taliban commanders were set to be released anyway, since they couldn't be formally charged in U.S. Courts or by Military Tribunal at GITMO. See bolded quote below for better explanation.


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http://hotair.com/archives/2014/06/0...h-the-taliban/
Not saying this administration was right or wrong. Just would like everyone to acknowledge this and the prior administration have done the same thing.

The outrage over this particular exchange is purely political. An investigation will determine if Bergdahl really did desert his unit. If so, he'll just trade one prison abroad for one at home.
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It's becoming pretty plain that the White House thought they could recapture the news cycle from the dismal news at the VA. They just had no idea how epically that would backfire.
They seem to forget this still isn't the 70's and 80's when they had full control of the media. They could have gotten away with this back then. But also shows how arrogant this president is who can do whatever he wants, but at this point, I guess why not since nothing has been done about previous actions and I'm not holding my breath about this either. Just more excuses no matter how weak and they will be accepted and investigations, if there are any, stalled like before.
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Lists of former Guantanamo Bay detainees alleged to have returned to terrorism as of May 2009.

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McCain comment as it pertains to the the recent exchange...



I'd put that same question to those lawmakers now upset with the release of the 5 Taliban detainees. What steps were taken for prisoners released between 2004-2009?

Also, my understanding is those 5 high value Taliban commanders were set to be released anyway, since they couldn't be formally charged in U.S. Courts or by Military Tribunal at GITMO. See bolded quote below for better explanation.




Not saying this administration was right or wrong. Just would like everyone to acknowledge this and the prior administration have done the same thing.

The outrage over this particular exchange is purely political. An investigation will determine if Bergdahl really did desert his unit. If so, he'll just trade one prison abroad for one at home.
If releasing these guys anyway, then how does that make this better? They gave the world the impression then that they released these 5 for an American soldier. The belief some have is Gitmo's existence somehow emboldened terrorists, but just what does this move do? Make them back off? And what about Americans who travel abroad, who are civilians and not military. If one soldier can net 5 terrorists, how many for a civilian? Plus, where did previous regimes trade terrorists for soldiers and made it public like this one just did?
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