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![]() Who are now being propped up by the political right to gain points in an election year? What could possibly be their motivation?
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#102 |
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![]() http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/joh.../18/id/553454/
"I would be inclined to support" the exchange for Bergdahl. -John McCain, Feb 14 http://www.politico.com/story/2014/0...#ixzz33YFIBqLf "I would not have made this deal." -John McCain, June 2. |
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#103 |
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![]() With all the **** that's happened over the last 2 years, they don't need any props to raise their points. I have zero faith in anything the WH or it's govt agencies say or do. That mirrors a lot of others in this country who until most recently did.
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So you either didn't read the initial article you posted, or you did, and flat out lied about what McCain's true position was. Try again. Last edited by Hercules Rockefeller; 06-03-2014 at 08:56 AM.. |
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In response to Orton's claim they're now being propped up for political gain: Quote:
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#107 |
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![]() Probably has to do with Obama wanting to show he really does care about the troops in regards to this VA scandal going on so can say "hey, I got a captured soldier back" though questions remain just how "captured" he was. Reportedly the Pentagon knew his whereabouts for awhile now, but took no more risks to get him since he was considered a "deserter." Also there is story that maybe as many as 14 soldiers were killed and others wounded trying to find this guy in the beginning.
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#109 |
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![]() I don't think anyone knows what it's like to be a POW. Even if he was a deserter, he more than paid for his crime. I've been through low level SERE training...I couldn't imagine being a POW for 5 years!
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#111 |
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![]() http://www.ijreview.com/2014/06/1439...owe-berghdahl/
James Rosen is reporting that Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl was under investigation by US intelligence agencies- not only during his final stretch of duty in Afghanistan, but also during his alleged captivity among the Taliban. From Fox News: A senior official confirms to Fox News that the conduct of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl — both in his final stretch of active duty in Afghanistan and then, too, during his time when he lived among the Taliban — has been thoroughly investigated by the U.S. intelligence community and is the subject of “a major classified file.” * In conveying as much, the Defense Department source confirmed to Fox News that many within the intelligence community harbor serious outstanding concerns not only that Bergdahl may have been a deserter but that he may have been an active collaborator with the enemy. Several important questions arise from this report: Why did the Obama administration work so hard to release a man who is possibly a traitor, since intel agencies are investigating him for sympathies to the enemy? Plus, why did they agree to swap five Taliban commanders for his release? Originally in 2010, the Defense Department believed that Berghdahl walked away from his unit, and it did not launch a major effort to find him. What circumstances changed? Finally, given Bowe Bergdahl’s father’s history of controversial statements, e-mails, and online posts, whose decision was it to allow to him stand next to the president when the administration announced his son’s release? The most important question: Is Bowe Bergdahl a hero or a traitor? Because with the “most transparent administration in history” at the helm, it’s anybody’s guess until the media starts putting together all the pieces… |
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#112 |
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![]() I still suspect alternate motives behind this whole story - and to be clear I certainly do not think that months of negociations were planned for a swap to clear the VA off the headlines.
The Taliban will be in control of Southern Afghan and Northern Pak - this is conceded by all parties. Opposing them(and in charge of Kabul) will be the old faction that made up the Northern Alliance that was crushed in the 90's by the Taliban. I would not be surprised if this is part of a larger plan to try and bring the Taliban into some semblance of governance within a larger Afghanistan - possibly as an autonomous region. |
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Let's say a guy goes and robs a liquor store. On his way out, he slips on a discarded McDonald's wrapper, and falls headfirst through the glass front window. In the process, he severs arteries in his arm, and ends up losing the arm. Would it be okay to say, "Almost none of us know what it's like to lose our right arm - this guy has been punished enough?" No, losing his right arm was collateral damage from his own stupid, selfish decision. Getting locked up for five years by a bunch of Taliban is collateral damage for Bergdahl's own stupid, selfish decision. If I am not mistaken, the punishment for desertion during war is up to the death penalty. He still should have some punishment coming his way. |
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#114 |
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![]() Wrong. He deserted and when he is done being de-briefed he will, and should be court marshalled under the Uniformed Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). Then he can begin to pay the price for being a deserter. He has not, in my view, paid for this very serious crime. IMHO.
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#115 |
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![]() At least we gave away some top terrorist generals in exchange for a borderline traitorous AWOL soldier. It reminds me of the ending of White Nights.
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#116 |
made a business decision"
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#118 |
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![]() One of if not all five of these guys will be responsible for the crashing of the missing MH370 plane into one of the new Freedom Towers. You just wait.
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#119 |
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![]() http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us...t.html?hp&_r=1
Apparently the dude even left a note saying he was deserting. Hard to believe how mind-bendingly effed up this is. You could maybe believe they wanted to reel him in as a collaborator, but there's no way he was high level enough to justify the price we paid in terrorists we let go. Not sure what the motive for this deal could've possibly been. Or was it so poorly constructed that the administration literally didn't ask the Army what the story was? |
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#120 |
made a business decision"
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#121 |
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![]() Viewing from the cheap seats...This is a complete FUBAR
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#122 |
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![]() I disagree. It sends a great message to the taliban. If we can capture an american we can trade for 5 of our buddies. This just increased the danger of the warfighters tenfold. Stupid decision by the POTUS.
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#123 |
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#124 |
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![]() Anyone believe Qatar will even monitor these clowns? Middle East officials over there are saying they are free to roam wherever they want for the year. Then off to Afghanistan. Lol Obama really ****ed up this time.
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#125 |
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