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Old 06-13-2014, 06:44 AM   #601
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lol, should I be surprised that even you don't know what you're talking about?

I posted the fact that Israel traded 1,027 "enemies" for 1 of their own. You said we shouldn't compare the U.S. to Israel because their soldiers' service is mandatory whereas our soldiers are volunteers and should know the risks. Your clear implication was that our soldiers aren't worth trading as much for. If this isn't what you meant, please explain what you did mean.
, says someone who never knows what he's talking about. You don't trade terrorists for a soldier who deserted. Period. You find another way to get him if that desperate to get him back and you don't use such sophisticated intell of "he looked sick on a video" as your reason to have to get him back after 5 years of apparently not doing much to get him.

But it was you who brought up Israel, apparently as a model to use. So are you picking and choosing what Israel does to combat terrorism or do you agree with their profiling their airlines and kicking out immigrants? Will you cower and change the subject or agree with what Israel does to fight terrorism? Or will you be the typical liberal who picks and chooses and tries to be PC even with terrorists? Let me guess, I bet you find conservatives more dangerous than Islamic terrorists. of course easy to believe that when you are comfortably living in the U.S. and not fighting terrorists say in Israel.
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Old 06-13-2014, 07:47 AM   #602
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You don't trade terrorists for a soldier who deserted.
If and when we know for certain that he was a "deserter" then you might possibly have a point.
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:09 AM   #603
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If and when we know for certain that he was a "deserter" then you might possibly have a point.
Still waiting for the history lesson on the time we traded 5 prisoners for a guy who may or may not have deserted (or defected) and been captured. You know, just so we could then work to find out what really happened.
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:17 AM   #604
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Question for the neo-cons:

How do you propose going about classifying captured service members into deserter, non-deserter, war hero, dip****, etc. categories? And after they are categorized, who sets the ratios for how many Gitmo detainees each category is worth?

We could convene a court martial for each case. It would violate the services member's constitutional due process right to present a defense, as well as his Sixth Amendment right to confront witnesses, consult with counsel, etc. The upside is pretty high, though. We'd know which POW category he belongs in, so we wouldn't trade any more Gitmo detainees than strictly necessary. Thanks to Gaybama, we have a finite supply of those. Plus there's the risk that the military might not have enough evidence to classify the POW into an appropriate category.

Maybe the CIA is the better agency to do this. They are in the intelligence business. They could assign a team of analysts to figure out what circumstances the POW was captured under and what he was thinking. But what if the analysts disagree? What if some evidence points to the POW leaving the wire so he could desert and join the enemy, while some evidence points to him stepping outside the wire to take a dump? In that case, maybe the best solution is to have the CIA hold a trial to figure things out. A CIA trial would avoid many of the constitutional pitfalls of the court martial because the CIA is, of course, above the Constitution. The libs would probably whine to no end about secret CIA trials of our service men and woman, but screw them. The CIA will get to the bottom of it, like they always do.

This is a big job, though. We're talking about deciding whether or not to leave a captured service member behind. Our national credibility is on the line. Perhaps this is a job that needs to be carried out by the smartest, most patriotic and outstandingly infallible members of our American society. Our cable news political pundits. They can straighten this **** out in one episode. Then, just to add a measure of democracy to the process, they can have their diverse, apolitical, open minded viewers text in their vote for how many Gitmo detainees the POW is worth. If we know anything, its that the best polling data in the world belongs to our cable news networks. Right, Mitt Romney? Oh - crap.

Maybe have Congress vote on it? The constitution does make the president commander-in-chief of our armed forces, but he's a socialist! And if the nation has a problem, by golly, we can count on Congress to get together, rationally debate the issue, and bring it to a decisive, well-informed vote. There might be some riders for potato research or appealing Obamacare, but at least we'll have a fair, democratic vote.

What do you guys think?
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:28 AM   #605
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Question for the neo-cons:

How do you propose going about classifying captured service members into deserter, non-deserter, war hero, dip****, etc. categories? And after they are categorized, who sets the ratios for how many Gitmo detainees each category is worth?
Simple: classify and "value" them in whichever manner best fits the anti-Obama agenda of the right wing punditry! If they're brought home, they get a negative classification and a low value, because clearly Obama screwed up! And if they're not brought home, they get a positive classification and a high value, because clearly Obama screwed up!

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Old 06-13-2014, 08:35 AM   #606
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Dumbest **** ever.

Thousands of our men have deserted throughout our history. It's very simple how it works. At least with low-level guys.

If we happen to run into them again at some point we try them.
If not, they're on their own. Whether the enemy captured them or they just hide out somewhere.

It's the only logical way it could ever work.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...et-him-go.html

Hope these five guys to go this route....unbelievable
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Meanwhile vets at home are still waiting for appointments and quality healthcare and didn't run away from their fellow troops to earn it either. But who cares. No political points to try to win with them right now. It isn't a shock to me that those that do not respect our military or our troops pick deserters as their heroes.
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Old 06-18-2014, 11:29 AM   #609
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What do you guys think?

you do realize this is the military correct?
you do realize certain laws apply to military personnel but not civilians?
this is war. either you follow orders or you don't.

you protect obama even if it makes you look stupid. the fact that you disregard all reports, the situation, the soldiers stationed with him, the 5 terrorist to protect obama is ludicrous. why?
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you do realize this is the military correct?
you do realize certain laws apply to military personnel but not civilians?
this is war. either you follow orders or you don't.

you protect obama even if it makes you look stupid. the fact that you disregard all reports, the situation, the soldiers stationed with him, the 5 terrorist to protect obama is ludicrous. why?
Because they need to protect Obama at all costs and hide the truth. His supporters will never believe he is anything but wonderful no matter what happens. If you really study Obama and his wife, they really are like the Clintons in that there really isn't anything likable about them. Stuck up snobs, but that also goes to the liberals around here who defend him without fail. There's nothing really likable about any of them either.
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Old 06-19-2014, 04:38 AM   #611
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I wouldn't trade terrorists for hostages. All it does is make them want to take servicemen and women alive to trade. Better to just tell our boys to fight to the absolute death. Don't surrender to animals that have no regard for the Geneva convention.

I sure hope the next President, be him/her a dem or repub isn't such a lame commander in Chief. Let me guess though Dems feel warm and fuzzy about turning over the largest military in the world to Hilliary Clinton. Seriously? She ran around partying and drinking instead of being SOS. Did she do anything of note as SOS? Oh I mean besides getting an ambassador murdered then covering it up?
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Old 06-19-2014, 07:35 AM   #612
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