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Old 06-05-2014, 10:22 AM   #351
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I don't care what Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho) says. I don't care what John McCain says. I don't care if George Washington, Abe Lincoln and Jesus Christ show up on Meet the Press and give their blessings. This is a terrible deal.

I hate republicans. I hate democrats. I hate politics. This is a terrible deal.
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Old 06-05-2014, 10:23 AM   #352
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huffington again. Oranges to apples. The conflict is coming to an end? The Taliban have quit fighting? If we leave troops there, the Taliban are not going to try to kill our troops since this conflict "is over?" Yikes, you guys are naive.
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Old 06-05-2014, 10:25 AM   #353
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But he gives good speeches. At least that's what I hear. I can't stand to listen to him anymore. Anyway, after next year we will no longer be in Afghanistan and I really doubt the Taliban will cause us any more problems. Good or bad, it's always been American policy to leave no American behind, like General McChrystal pointed out. If you read the bios on the five that I posted you'll have less fear of the repercussions. At any rate, like the War on Drugs, the War on Terrorism has more to do with allowing government to grow its power at home than it does with any threat from abroad.
We leave people behind all the time. Pretty much every defector. And most deserters. If we do go after them, it's to neutralize them as a threat (either by elimination or incarceration) Not to give them a homecoming parade like the Obama admin was clearly trying to sell.
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Susan Rice, I think those that were in the Libyan Embassy served their country with honor, but where was the pressing need to help them again? Did we need to exchange terrorists to help them?
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Old 06-05-2014, 10:27 AM   #355
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We leave people behind all the time. Pretty much every defector. And most deserters. If we do go after them, it's to neutralize them as a threat (either by elimination or incarceration) Not to give them a homecoming parade like the Obama admin was clearly trying to sell.
This admin. really are bozos when it comes to the military. No clue at all. They must really believe everyone is as dumb as their loyal, blind supporters are who excuse this guy for everything.
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Old 06-05-2014, 10:29 AM   #356
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The thing that sickens me the most of this entire thing is Carney, Rice and the like calling Bergdahl "honorable". For those in the military that did serve with bravery and passion for the USA, its a big **** you to them. That right there really pisses me off.
Rohirrim, forget the politics. As a vet, doesn't this just piss you off? Guys on the front line, guys who was with him 24/7 doesn't know better than somebody behind a desk 20k miles away.

Doesn't it piss you off that BO is hosting bergdahl parents?

BO should top it off by awarding bergdahl the medal of horor and the service cross for his bravery by facing the enemy all by himself with only a notebook, water and knife.
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Old 06-05-2014, 10:32 AM   #357
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Rohirrim, forget the politics. As a vet, doesn't this just piss you off? Guys on the front line, guys who was with him 24/7 doesn't know better than somebody behind a desk 20k miles away.

Doesn't it piss you off that BO is hosting bergdahl parents?

BO should top it off by awarding bergdahl the medal of horor and the service cross for his bravery by facing the enemy all by himself with only a notebook, water and knife.
I've already stated a few times, if he deserted and collaborated, he should be shot.
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Old 06-05-2014, 10:32 AM   #358
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Yup, pretty much the case with almost every political issue. Take Afghanistan as a perfect example. Obama is getting slammed for the "surge" and for still having a U.S. presence in the country. And perhaps rightly so. But, right wingers were 100% in support of this strategy before Obama was POTUS, and would have slammed him and called him weak if we would have pulled out/drawn down sooner and faster. Every issue is pretty much a lose-lose for him.
This is completely and utterly false. No one wanted to be in Afghanistan anymore. There were less troops in Afghanistan when Bush left office, than there are today.

The Afghanistan war, as voted on and approved by Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama was always very unpopular amongst the American people. Constant media reporting on it throughout the Bush presidency is the main reason why Democrats swept to power in 2006 and continued gaining momentum until Bush left office.

74% of American casualties in Afghanistan have occurred under Obama and Clinton. We hear nothing about it in the daily news.
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this bergdahl guy is an idiot. according to reports, he was walking around town asking if anyone spoke english for directions. during a taliban attack, they caught him while he was taking a dump. are u serious!!! they even said he didn't have time to wipe his ass.
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Yeah, once our soldiers come home from Afghanistan, the Taliban terrorists won't be able to kill Americans, it will be those left who will have to fend them off and be killed instead. I'm sure the people of Afghanistan are excited. And maybe women rights will be violated again if the Taliban takes over again, though silence once again from our defenders of women on that subject. I mean, since once our troops would be gone, we no longer need to report on what's happening and pretend all is well, just as they did with Vietnam too. Heck, we used to have daily body counts before Obama, but seems our troops there have been a glorious time there after Obama became president and no need to report deaths anymore. But they're not biased though, only Fox is.
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huffington again. Oranges to apples. The conflict is coming to an end? The Taliban have quit fighting? If we leave troops there, the Taliban are not going to try to kill our troops since this conflict "is over?" Yikes, you guys are naive.
Ah yes,huffington didn't push the whole Kenya thing. BTW we aren't leaving any troops.
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This is completely and utterly false. No one wanted to be in Afghanistan anymore. There were less troops in Afghanistan when Bush left office, than there are today.

The Afghanistan war, as voted on and approved by Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama was always very unpopular amongst the American people. Constant media reporting on it throughout the Bush presidency is the main reason why Democrats swept to power in 2006 and continued gaining momentum until Bush left office.

74% of American casualties in Afghanistan have occurred under Obama and Clinton. We hear nothing about it in the daily news.
Only because, like Korea, the American people didn't want to hear about it anymore. The news is trying to sell soap. Afghanistan doesn't move product. Obama has lied so many times it would be difficult to prioritize. Afghanistan was one of his big lies.
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This is completely and utterly false. No one wanted to be in Afghanistan anymore. There were less troops in Afghanistan when Bush left office, than there are today.

The Afghanistan war, as voted on and approved by Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama was always very unpopular amongst the American people. Constant media reporting on it throughout the Bush presidency is the main reason why Democrats swept to power in 2006 and continued gaining momentum until Bush left office.

74% of American casualties in Afghanistan have occurred under Obama and Clinton. We hear nothing about it in the daily news.
Yeah, I don't agree with this. For most of Bush's term, Afghanistan was the 'popular' war. In fact one of Obama's main campaign points was that we should've ignored Iraq and invested even more in our invasion of Afghanistan.

Regardless, the vote to invade Afghanistan was nearly universal, as was public opinion in support at the time. Crazy to me how quickly we forget our national post-9/11 mood.
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I don't care what Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho) says. I don't care what John McCain says. I don't care if George Washington, Abe Lincoln and Jesus Christ show up on Meet the Press and give their blessings. This is a terrible deal.

I hate republicans. I hate democrats. I hate politics. This is a terrible deal.
GTFO then.
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Old 06-05-2014, 10:36 AM   #365
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The thing that sickens me the most of this entire thing is Carney, Rice and the like calling Bergdahl "honorable". For those in the military that did serve with bravery and passion for the USA, its a big **** you to them. That right there really pisses me off.
Because to this administration it's all about politics. Has nothing to do with the truth or what is right. If they call him honorable it makes this deal look better politically for them.
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this bergdahl guy is an idiot. according to reports, he was walking around town asking if anyone spoke english for directions. during a taliban attack, they caught him while he was taking a dump. are u serious!!! they even said he didn't have time to wipe his ass.
There is also a report he purposely went to Taliban strongholds.
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I've already stated a few times, if he deserted and collaborated, he should be shot.
thats fair
the report is that he did go awol. no proof whether he collaborated willingly or not. with the facts that you know right now, if you are the potus, will you host bargdahl parents and will your staff refer to him as a hero?
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Ah yes,huffington didn't push the whole Kenya thing. BTW we aren't leaving any troops.
I bet huffington spent a lot of time on Christie's bridge though. Yeah, not biased
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but bush/Cheney didn't want all troops out Iraq & afghan either.
I didn't vote for those guys. The fact is that Bush had a timeline for complete troop withdrawal from Iraq, which Obama was unwillingly forced to stick to by the Iraqi government. Bush also had drawn down the troops in Afghanistan to less than we have there now. That was 6 years ago.

91 troops died in Afghanistan in 2013 alone under Obama's failed lack of a strategy. 74% of all US casualties in Afghanistan have occurred under Obama/Hillary Clinton's direction. This regime is obsessed with creating chaos wherever they go and leaving dead American troops in their wake. Not to mention their untold thousands of civilian casualties from drone bomb strikes. They have accomplished nothing except to create utter chaos.
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My final POLS paper was "AfPak: Obama's Graveyard" -- I was right.
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I don't care what Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho) says. I don't care what John McCain says. I don't care if George Washington, Abe Lincoln and Jesus Christ show up on Meet the Press and give their blessings. This is a terrible deal.

I hate republicans. I hate democrats. I hate politics. This is a terrible deal.

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GTFO then.

So nothing to you is "good" or "bad" or "right' or "wrong"? Everything is viewed from the prism of "does this help my side or not?" No morals. No rational thinking.


Disgusting. You are absolutely loathsome.
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thats fair
the report is that he did go awol. no proof whether he collaborated willingly or not. with the facts that you know right now, if you are the potus, will you host bargdahl parents and will your staff refer to him as a hero?
It makes me worry that the CIA and NSA did not give him a very good briefing paper on the guy. Or maybe they don't know much either? Either that, or he's ignoring it for political gain. I don't know.
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We are talking about terrorist. Of course we have swapped prisoners and even have done so during a war. We don't swap for terrorist. Taliban prisoners were considered terrorist not soldiers.
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Oh, and ask yourself this question, by the laws of war, once the U.S. leaves Afghanistan it would have to release its Afghani prisoners. That would be next year. So would those five have been released next year anyway? Yes. Of course they would have.
FALSE PROPAGANDA. Obama's campaign promise in 2008 was to "End the War on Terror". He has initiated or expanded 14+ illegal foreign wars and has no plans to leave Afghanistan.
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My final POLS paper was "AfPak: Obama's Graveyard" -- I was right.
It's been everybody's graveyard since Alexander the Great. The only reason he succeeded is because he married a warlord's daughter which made him part of a dominant tribe; something perhaps Obama should have considered?
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