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Old 06-05-2014, 09:38 AM   #326
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Default Taliban Commander: More Kidnappings to Come After Bergdahl Deal

http://time.com/2826442/taliban-kidnappings-bergdahl/

A Taliban commander close to the negotiations over the release of U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl told TIME Thursday that the deal made to secure Bergdahl’s release has made it more appealing for fighters to capture American soldiers and other high-value targets.

“It’s better to kidnap one person like Bergdahl than kidnapping hundreds of useless people,” the commander said, speaking by telephone on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the media. “It has encouraged our people. Now everybody will work hard to capture such an important bird.”

The commander has been known to TIME for several years and has consistently supplied reliable information about Bergdahl’s captivity.
The U.S. agreed on May 31 to exchange five Taliban commanders from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba for Bergdahl, America’s only living prisoner of war. Following the deal, the outpouring of relief by those who had long lobbied to “Bring Bowe Home” was soon eclipsed by accusations and recriminations as Republican lawmakers accused the administration of making a dangerous precedent.

“What does this tell terrorists?,” Republican Senator Ted Cruz said on ABC’s This Week the day after Bergdahl’s release. “That if you capture a U.S. soldier, you can trade that soldier for five terrorist prisoners?”
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There was a time the Patriot Act and wiretaps were "infringing on people'e rights" and there were countless threads around here about that. But now that Obama has the programs still going, not a peep from those same people the last 5 years about it. It suddenly became great.

We very likely left soldiers in Vietnam, but were these liberals all concerned with that at the time? Nah, too busy smoking dope and spitting on the ones that came home alive. Not to mention many being prejudiced against from getting employment once their service was found out. Good job Jane. Not to mention what the communists did after our troops left Vietnam and Cambodia to the people in the south. No liberals, they didn't just sit around and sing songs.

But one does notice whenever Obama gets criticized, it's either "racist" or the subject changes to "but Reagan, Bush, Nixon" did whatever. I guess for excuses, there are terms of limitations on Eisenhower at least.
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Old 06-05-2014, 09:39 AM   #328
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Some forget that the people who make up the Taliban were our allies for many years.
So was Iraq.
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Old 06-05-2014, 09:40 AM   #329
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A Taliban commander close to the negotiations over the release of U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl told TIME Thursday that the deal made to secure Bergdahl’s release has made it more appealing for fighters to capture American soldiers and other high-value targets.

“It’s better to kidnap one person like Bergdahl than kidnapping hundreds of useless people,” the commander said, speaking by telephone on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the media. “It has encouraged our people. Now everybody will work hard to capture such an important bird.”

The commander has been known to TIME for several years and has consistently supplied reliable information about Bergdahl’s captivity.
The U.S. agreed on May 31 to exchange five Taliban commanders from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba for Bergdahl, America’s only living prisoner of war. Following the deal, the outpouring of relief by those who had long lobbied to “Bring Bowe Home” was soon eclipsed by accusations and recriminations as Republican lawmakers accused the administration of making a dangerous precedent.

“What does this tell terrorists?,” Republican Senator Ted Cruz said on ABC’s This Week the day after Bergdahl’s release. “That if you capture a U.S. soldier, you can trade that soldier for five terrorist prisoners?”
Huh. Sounds like the war is over. Better release all our prisoners and call it a day.
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The Taliban even made a film showing the exchange, which you know will be used to show American weakness.
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Old 06-05-2014, 09:44 AM   #331
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So was Stalin. What's your point?
Since they didn't exist until 1992, that would have been difficult for Stalin, who died in 1953.
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Huh. Sounds like the war is over. Better release all our prisoners and call it a day.
True, that's when "leave no soldier behind" comes into play, not just for cheap political points to pretend to care about our troops. Oh, a St. Louis VA doesn't change people's garbage for weeks and there is feces in some of them. Oh, there are veterans in a VA in New Mexico not getting any medical care with a lack of doctors. But "oh, don't leave a soldier" behind. Yeah, so they can rot and die in the VA hospitals instead, but even though he campaigned about it in 2008, that's all news to Obama though.
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A Taliban commander close to the negotiations over the release of U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl told TIME Thursday that the deal made to secure Bergdahl’s release has made it more appealing for fighters to capture American soldiers and other high-value targets.

“It’s better to kidnap one person like Bergdahl than kidnapping hundreds of useless people,” the commander said, speaking by telephone on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the media. “It has encouraged our people. Now everybody will work hard to capture such an important bird.”

The commander has been known to TIME for several years and has consistently supplied reliable information about Bergdahl’s captivity.
The U.S. agreed on May 31 to exchange five Taliban commanders from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba for Bergdahl, America’s only living prisoner of war. Following the deal, the outpouring of relief by those who had long lobbied to “Bring Bowe Home” was soon eclipsed by accusations and recriminations as Republican lawmakers accused the administration of making a dangerous precedent.

“What does this tell terrorists?,” Republican Senator Ted Cruz said on ABC’s This Week the day after Bergdahl’s release. “That if you capture a U.S. soldier, you can trade that soldier for five terrorist prisoners?”
Did they kidnap him, or did he walk into their camp by his own volition? I understand that somebody like Cruz wants to spew this venom for mid-term election value, but we don't know the facts yet.
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True, that's when "leave no soldier behind" comes into play, not just for cheap political points to pretend to care about our troops. Oh, a St. Louis VA doesn't change people's garbage for weeks and there is feces in some of them. Oh, there are veterans in a VA in New Mexico not getting any medical care with a lack of doctors. But "oh, don't leave a soldier" behind. Yeah, so they can rot and die in the VA hospitals instead, but even though he campaigned about it in 2008, that's all news to Obama though.
As a veteran, I can tell you that this **** has been going on for years and years. Long before Obama was even born.
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The thing that sickens me the most of this entire thing is Carney, Rice and the like calling Bergdahl "honorable". For those in the military that did serve with bravery and passion for the USA, its a big **** you to them. That right there really pisses me off.
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Since they didn't exist until 1992, that would have been difficult for Stalin, who died in 1953.
Speaking of Stalin, did you hear in his communist "paradise" he also slaughtered millions of people? Or what happened in China under Mao in regards to communism? Oh yeah, even more killings. I'm sure if huffington has been around, they would have reported on that as much as the other liberal rags at the time. Oh wait, they tried to cove that stuff up since it would have made communism look bad. Same as to what happened to South Vietnam and Cambodia once our troops left and the communists had free reign. Mass murder in the name of communism. But those stories were covered up too since it ruined the liberals feel good moment.
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Speaking of Stalin, did you hear in his communist "paradise" he also slaughtered millions of people? Or what happened in China under Mao in regards to communism? Oh yeah, even more killings. I'm sure if huffington has been around, they would have reported on that as much as the other liberal rags at the time. Oh wait, they tried to cove that stuff up since it would have made communism look bad. Same as to what happened to South Vietnam and Cambodia once our troops left and the communists had free reign. Mass murder in the name of communism. But those stories were covered up too since it ruined the liberals feel good moment.
Wow! Talk about going off the deep end.
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The thing that sickens me the most of this entire thing is Carney, Rice and the like calling Bergdahl "honorable". For those in the military that did serve with bravery and passion for the USA, its a big **** you to them. That right there really pisses me off.
None of them have served in the military or have family members in the military, so they don't know what honor in the service means, much less really care. It's all about defend Obama no matter how stupid they look in the process.
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None of them have served in the military or have family members in the military, so they don't know what honor in the service means, much less really care. It's all about defend Obama no matter how stupid they look in the process.
More wisdom from the barry-bubble.
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Since they didn't exist until 1992, that would have been difficult for Stalin, who died in 1953.
Uh?
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Did they kidnap him, or did he walk into their camp by his own volition?
I honestly don't see why that would matter. How they acquired the prisoner to exchange is academic. The message Obama sent to our enemies was

1. If you have an American prisoner, we will trade you your top terrorist generals for that American no matter who that American is. We don't even care if he's actually a prisoner or if he's in on it with you. We don't care. You have an American, we'll trade for him.

2. We are willing to trade you back your guys for our guys at a rate of 5:1 in your favor!

It doesn't take a genius to see more Americans will be captured. Even if Obama made a deal under the table this is "the one and only" kind of this deal with this group, other groups will see it and try it for themselves.

It was yet one more thing done wrong by a really crappy President who pretty much wasn't good at anything except reading from a teleprompter and speaking in broad nondescript terms so everyone can imagine the specifics as their personal fantasy.
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The thing that sickens me the most of this entire thing is Carney, Rice and the like calling Bergdahl "honorable". For those in the military that did serve with bravery and passion for the USA, its a big **** you to them. That right there really pisses me off.
From now on, this'll be the conversation in American living rooms:

"Uh oh, What'd Obama do now?"

"Why do you ask"

"Well I see they're trotting out Information Minister Rice on Meet the Press again."
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More wisdom from the barry-bubble.
The guy falls victims to one of the worst logical fallacies in the world, the hasty generalization. Every day.
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From now on...
And why is that? Might it have at least a little something to do with the hysteria/attack machine Roh and I are talking about?
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And why is that? Might it have at least a little something to do with the hysteria/attack machine Roh and I are talking about?
Yeah, sure, Or maybe the fact that every time she opens her mouth on National TV, the most incredible lines of bull**** fall out.
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Yeah, sure, Or maybe...
No, you're missing my point. Color me unsurprised.
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I honestly don't see why that would matter. How they acquired the prisoner to exchange is academic. The message Obama sent to our enemies was

1. If you have an American prisoner, we will trade you your top terrorist generals for that American no matter who that American is. We don't even care if he's actually a prisoner or if he's in on it with you. We don't care. You have an American, we'll trade for him.

2. We are willing to trade you back your guys for our guys at a rate of 5:1 in your favor!

It doesn't take a genius to see more Americans will be captured. Even if Obama made a deal under the table this is "the one and only" kind of this deal with this group, other groups will see it and try it for themselves.

It was yet one more thing done wrong by a really crappy President who pretty much wasn't good at anything except reading from a teleprompter and speaking in broad nondescript terms so everyone can imagine the specifics as their personal fantasy.
But he gives good speeches. At least that's what I hear. I can't stand to listen to him anymore. Anyway, after next year we will no longer be in Afghanistan and I really doubt the Taliban will cause us any more problems. Good or bad, it's always been American policy to leave no American behind, like General McChrystal pointed out. If you read the bios on the five that I posted you'll have less fear of the repercussions. At any rate, like the War on Drugs, the War on Terrorism has more to do with allowing government to grow its power at home than it does with any threat from abroad.
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Did they kidnap him, or did he walk into their camp by his own volition? I understand that somebody like Cruz wants to spew this venom for mid-term election value, but we don't know the facts yet.
Oh boy. You don't think Obama did this for mid term values? It backfired big time as he boosted the Repubs and Democrats are even pissed about it...except the few here that can't figure out that Obama made a mistake (they have had many to choose from but ignore them all).
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Oh boy. You don't think Obama did this for mid term values? It backfired big time as he boosted the Repubs and Democrats are even pissed about it...except the few here that can't figure out that Obama made a mistake (they have had many to choose from but ignore them all).
That would be odd. He was accused of not doing it because of the 2012 midterms. Now he's accused of doing it because of the 2014 midterms? Doesn't add up.

Frankly, I think Obama has no political coattails at all. He's doing this for himself.
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Don't care to read over the diatribe most are posting above about FOX and the usual ra-ra's playing party politics, but here are my thoughts.

The problem I have with most of it is two-fold:

Negotiating with these guys can embolden other non-state/extremist organizations to try and pursue similar outcomes.

Doing this in a way legitimizes terrorist organizations and puts them on the same level as recognized nations or state actors in international politics.

Pretty slippery slope, IMHO.

A hard left turn and deviation from what are MO is supposed to be in this regard.

I don't know the facts of the case, none of us do, but the above thoughts don't need the "truth" re: Bergdahl to be made.
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WASHINGTON -- Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho) chastised some members of his party Tuesday for their reaction to the release of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, saying they should stop acting the prisoner swap President Barack Obama arranged was unprecedented.

"I'm a little bit disturbed by some of the Republicans out there who keep saying this has never happened before," Labrador said during an interview with the radio station 670 KBOI in Boise, Idaho. "That is not entirely true. If you look historically, at the end of any conflict, you have a swap of prisoners, and that happens. Usually our side will release people that are less than desirable in order to get some of our people back in these swaps. So I would suggest that anybody who's being hyper-critical about this, they should look at the history. This has happened before."
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