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Old 05-25-2014, 05:09 PM   #51
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How did Americans ever survive without fast food jobs before the 1950's.
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Old 05-25-2014, 05:54 PM   #52
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How did Americans ever survive without fast food jobs before the 1950's.
Till the 1980s, those folks were able find low skilled opening jobs in manufacturing sector that allowed them to progress up the economic latter to the lower middle class. But with technology changes and off shoring has removed that option. Now you find those folks moving to low end service sector jobs which don't have advancement opportunities.
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Till the 1980s, those folks were able find low skilled opening jobs in manufacturing sector that allowed them to progress up the economic latter to the lower middle class. But with technology changes and off shoring has removed that option. Now you find those folks moving to low end service sector jobs which don't have advancement opportunities.
And don't pay a living wage.
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Old 05-25-2014, 07:16 PM   #54
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It's the dogma of their fantasy world. Don't try to pierce the bubble.
So you think it's reasonable that fast food jobs should be for adults and pay enough money to raise a family and have a place to live?

A friggin burger combo would cost 25 bucks.

You can't ruin jobs in the country then tell fast food to make up the slack and blame walmart for food stamps soaring under Obama.

Fast food jobs historically have been for teens and young people who just need a job as the gain some experience or go to school.

IMO if the worker was great at his job and showed up all the time maybe 10-15 bucks an hour. But to make that the min would mean they have to pay the crappy ones who mess up orders that much and that is bs. They are only worth about 4 dollars an hour.
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How do you know what those jobs are "supposed to be" for? Who decided this?
On what planet has anyone ever aspired to work at Burger King to support a family?

Everyone and I mean everyone knows that fast food jobs are not the way to support a family. The fact that some in this country believe that shoveling ****ty food to the masses should support a family is lunacy.
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Old 05-25-2014, 08:38 PM   #56
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Why all the ire towards Mcdonalds and Walmart? What about Apple? Why aren't you pajamaboys up in arms about your iPhones and iMacs being made by actual slaves? What about Apple's billions upon billions of offshore profits? Why aren't your igadgets made by union employees making living wages plus vacation and benefits, in EPA approved factories with neutral carbon footprints?
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And don't pay a living wage.
Providing a living wage is fine so long as the workers production and activities are more valuable to the company than all of said workers forms of compensation combined.

It will be hard to argue a burger flipper at McDonalds is worth 15 dollars an hour plus health care plus the employer making SS contribution and paying higher workers comp premiums all for somebody to do a task which isn't particularly unique or valuable.
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On what planet has anyone ever aspired to work at Burger King to support a family?

Everyone and I mean everyone knows that fast food jobs are not the way to support a family. The fact that some in this country believe that shoveling ****ty food to the masses should support a family is lunacy.
I don't believe that flipping burgers should pay enough to support a family. I just believe that every honest full-time job should pay enough to support one person above the poverty line. I don't see what's so unreasonable about that.

And if states and cities want to go higher to compensate for the local cost of living I don't have a problem with that either.

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Lol. There is plenty of demand. Just demand for the cheapest stuff that can only be made in countries without an EPA, IRS, NLRB, and human rights.
Even without all those extra labor costs, noodle making robots are taking over China. The robots have been a hit with restaurant owners and diners who enjoy perfectly sliced noodles. This video explains how the robots work and what a bargain they are when compared to a human chef.

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I don't believe that flipping burgers should pay enough to support a family. I just believe that every honest full-time job should pay enough to support one person above the poverty line. I don't see what's so unreasonable about that.

And if states and cities want to go higher to compensate for the local cost of living I don't have a problem with that either.
Who defines what should be enough to support one person above the poverty line?
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Who defines what should be enough to support one person above the poverty line?
It's completely subjective.

In my view, a living minimum wage rewards work over welfare, stops public money from subsidizing corporations, and could be a boost to the economy. And yes, I think it's a social justice issue as well.

It's either that or make public assistance even less desirable than the current minimum wage. But I'm sure I know the conservative view on this. Something along the lines of "f--k 'em, let 'em starve."
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It's completely subjective.

In my view, a living minimum wage rewards work over welfare, stops public money from subsidizing corporations, and could be a boost to the economy. And yes, I think it's a social justice issue as well.

It's either that or make public assistance even less desirable than the current minimum wage. But I'm sure I know the conservative view on this. Something along the lines of "f--k 'em, let 'em starve."
YES! That is exactly the conservative stance.

Oh wait...that's just one of those pesky straw man arguments.
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Even without all those extra labor costs, noodle making robots are taking over China. The robots have been a hit with restaurant owners and diners who enjoy perfectly sliced noodles. This video explains how the robots work and what a bargain they are when compared to a human chef.

It's nothing more than a fancy Quisinart.

This thing isn't replacing the entire kitchen staff anytime soon.
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YES! That is exactly the conservative stance.

Oh wait...that's just one of those pesky straw man arguments.
I was just speculating.

So what is in your opinion the conservative way to resolve the public taxpayer support of Walmart?
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I was just speculating.

So what is in your opinion the conservative way to resolve the public taxpayer support of Walmart?
If the public doesn't want to support Walmart...they need to elect officials that will stop that practice.
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If the public doesn't want to support Walmart...they need to elect officials that will stop that practice.
I don't think you get it. Read up.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoco...ic-assistance/

Two ways to solve this:

1) Walmart (and others) pays a living wage, or

2) Cut public assistance

What's your solution?
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I don't think you get it. Read up.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoco...ic-assistance/

Two ways to solve this:

1) Walmart (and others) pays a living wage, or

2) Cut public assistance

What's your solution?
One cannot pay a living wage without properly defining what that means. As you said...it's subjective and therefor not necessarily attainable.
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One cannot pay a living wage without properly defining what that means. As you said...it's subjective and therefor not necessarily attainable.
Once again, what's your solution?

(Edit: now that I think about it, there's also option c) both. Which is it for you? A,b,or c?)

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Once again, what's your solution?

(Edit: now that I think about it, there's also option c) both. Which is it for you? A,b,or c?)
Why does one have to pick from those three options?

My goal would be to never work at Walmart. That means going to school and learning something marketable.

Don't like what Walmart pays? Make yourself valuable and do something that will pay you more.

...and lets face it...

The people that work at Walmart aren't exactly the cream of the crop. We are talking about bottom of the barrel type people. This isn't that far off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xG9gdUorp4

Do you really want to pay door greeters at Walmart a living wage....which you can't even define what that should be?

Let's call a living wage 42,000 per year. You really, truly want to give a friggin door greeter 42,000?

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Why does one have to pick from those three options?

My goal would be to never work at Walmart. That means going to school and learning something marketable.

Don't like what Walmart pays? Make yourself valuable and do something that will pay you more.

...and lets face it...

The people that work at Walmart aren't exactly the cream of the crop. We are talking about bottom of the barrel type people. This isn't that far off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xG9gdUorp4

Do you really want to pay door greeters at Walmart a living wage....which you can't even define what that should be?

Let's call a living wage 42,000 per year. You really, truly want to give a friggin door greeter 42,000?
Because only one of those solutions will stop Walmart from being subsidized with taxpayer money. I'm still not hearing your solution to this problem.

How would you stop the practice of allowing Walmart to use taxpayer money to pad their bottom line?
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Because only one of those solutions will stop Walmart from being subsidized with taxpayer money. I'm still not hearing your solution to this problem.

How would you stop the practice of allowing Walmart to use taxpayer money to pad their bottom line?
Well, I told you how.

You brushed it off.

Who allows Walmart to you taxpayer money? The government. If you want that to stop....you put people into office that will change that.

I do not for a moment believe that if you work at Walmart you merit the kind of money that would equate to a living wage....which you STILL have yet to define.

Simply put....DON'T WORK THERE.

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Well, I told you how.

You brushed it off.


Who allows Walmart to you taxpayer money? The government. If you want that to stop....you put people into office that will change that.
Where? Your personal "goals" don't do anything to solve the problem.

And if you put these people in office, what exactly are they going to do? Name a specific step they would take.

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Where? Your personal "goals" don't do anything to solve the problem.

And if you put these people in office, what exactly are they going to do? Name a specific step they would take.
And that is the rub.....

People on the left....the people that WANT these great government handouts put Obama and the left in power after 2008. What did they do?

Not much, if anything to help the people who put them in power.

Frankly I'd cut the handouts. There is a reason these people stay at ****ty companies like Walmart. They can't do anything else and are getting government handouts to keep them afloat. If the government handouts went away there would be more incentive to do something about it.
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And that is the rub.....

People on the left....the people that WANT these great government handouts put Obama and the left in power after 2008. What did they do?

Not much, if anything to help the people who put them in power.

Frankly I'd cut the handouts. There is a reason these people stay at ****ty companies like Walmart. They can't do anything else and are getting government handouts to keep them afloat. If the government handouts went away there would be more incentive to do something about it.
So something along the lines of "f--k 'em, let 'em starve." Just like I said.
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So something along the lines of "f--k 'em, let 'em starve." Just like I said.
Yes....exactly what I said.


Curious....what is your solution?
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