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Old 06-02-2014, 03:48 PM   #151
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Krugman doesn't even mention the PPACA in this op-ed, much less compare it to the VA.
He doesn't mention it by name, but he makes clear that he believed the VA to be superior to any individual insurance market.

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The individual insurance market, which comes closest to the conservative ideal of free competition, has huge administrative costs and has no demonstrated ability to reduce other costs. Medicare Advantage, which allows Medicare beneficiaries to buy private insurance instead of having Medicare pay bills directly, has consistently had higher costs than the traditional program.

And the international evidence accords with U.S. experience. The most efficient health care systems are integrated systems like the V.H.A.; next best are single-payer systems like Medicare; the more privatized the system, the worse it performs.
Good to see Krugman so fundamentally self-beclowned.
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Old 06-02-2014, 04:48 PM   #152
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He doesn't mention it by name, but he makes clear that he believed the VA to be superior to any individual insurance market.



Good to see Krugman so fundamentally self-beclowned.
So even though he doesn't mention it at all, you think he's saying the VA is the model for the PPACA... um, why again?
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Old 06-02-2014, 05:02 PM   #153
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So even though he doesn't mention it at all, you think he's saying the VA is the model for the PPACA... um, why again?
Because it paints the picture of the reality he wants. Living inside the bubble.
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Old 06-02-2014, 05:17 PM   #154
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, even liberals around here, much less everywhere else, were championing Obamacare because it would lead to a single payer system and here was Krugman vouching for how great a system it is. But now they see the reality and are now pretending neither has one to do with the other. Gee, so quick with the back pedaling. But again, here's is government run healthcare. You guys like it? Now some can get outside healthcare from the VA because of the long waits, but where would we all go if we all have this system? Canada? Mexico? Some refuse to see reality and would rather pretend everything is fine, so don't tell them otherwise since their Utopian dream needs to be successful regardless of reality.
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Fun to watch these guys suddenly pretend like the individual mandate was all they ever wanted.

Let's get 'em on record for the next about-face. Show of hands... who still thinks socialized medicine is a great idea?
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Old 06-03-2014, 01:03 PM   #156
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Fun to watch these guys suddenly pretend like the individual mandate was all they ever wanted.

Let's get 'em on record for the next about-face. Show of hands... who still thinks socialized medicine is a great idea?
it's better than your idea of well..nothing
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Fun to watch these guys suddenly pretend like the individual mandate was all they ever wanted.

Let's get 'em on record for the next about-face. Show of hands... who still thinks socialized medicine is a great idea?
As much as you want to try tie the VA issue and Obamacare together, they are not related. There is big difference on process, management and parties involved. And for the record the issue isn't the medical care provide by the VA (it very highly rated by veterans) it the scheduling access to that care because of the lack of medical resources and management practices.
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Old 06-03-2014, 01:59 PM   #158
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As much as you want to try tie the VA issue and Obamacare together, they are not related. There is big difference on process, management and parties involved. And for the record the issue isn't the medical care provide by the VA (it very highly rated by veterans) it the scheduling access to that care because of the lack of medical resources and management practices.
Using that logic, you could hire one competent doctor for the whole country and consider any system a "success"

Never mind the whole thing where resource allocation requires reliable data, while that data was undermined for the sake of bonuses and budgets. You know, the things we're told don't happen in Utopian Socialized systems?

The real takeaway here, again, is there is nothing inherently better about government solutions. Bureaucrats don't care more. In some cases they care far less. After all, someone in the private sector would've been fired over this by now.

Anyway, government officials are just as willing to watch you die over a few bucks as anyone in the corporate world. The only difference is who signs their paychecks.
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Old 06-06-2014, 09:18 AM   #159
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Old 06-06-2014, 10:25 AM   #160
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Politifact is such a joke.

Like when they rated Obama's "If you like your plan" claim as true until they were forced to go straight to "Pants on Fire" once people started getting cancellation notices.

Thanks Politifact!
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Old 06-06-2014, 11:25 AM   #161
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I think this is the most devastating political cartoon I've ever seen...

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Politifact jumped the shark tank sucking off Obama early on.
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I think this is the most devastating political cartoon I've ever seen...

True, they liked the VA system at one time, but now claim they never stated that nor has anything to do with Obamacare. Sure, that's why another hero of theirs, Krugman, wrote about how great the VA system is since Krugman always writes about VA matters since he's an expert on that too I'm sure.
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The fact Obama got a letter in 2013 begging him to look into the VA failures of care is the smoking cock in his mouth.

Dear Mr. President: I am writing to bring to your attention an alarming pattern of serious and significant patient care issues at the Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Centers (VAMCs) across the country. Recent events at the Atlanta, Georgia, VAMC provide a perfect illustration of the management failures, deceptions, and lack of accountability permeating VA’s healthcare system…I believe your direct involvement and leadership is required.

Sent to the President in may of 2013! But but but I found out from the TV errrrr!
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The fact Obama got a letter in 2013 begging him to look into the VA failures of care is the smoking cock in his mouth.

Dear Mr. President: I am writing to bring to your attention an alarming pattern of serious and significant patient care issues at the Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Centers (VAMCs) across the country. Recent events at the Atlanta, Georgia, VAMC provide a perfect illustration of the management failures, deceptions, and lack of accountability permeating VA’s healthcare system…I believe your direct involvement and leadership is required.

Sent to the President in may of 2013! But but but I found out from the TV errrrr!
Again can you provide proof Obama was sent this letter or as usual,just making **** up.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ucking-it.html

Carney said well we are investigating if the President ever received the letter blah blah. It's not my fault you won't believe anything unless Obama admits to it.

The letter was written, it was sent, whether or not Obama has anyone read **** or he reads anything is up for debate. My guess is he throws letters away and doesn't listen to anyone out of his inner circle.
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http://www.nwfdailynews.com/local/mi...ument-1.173602

Congressman Jeff Miller is imploring President Barack Obama to prevent further mismanagement at the Department of Veterans Affairs medical centers, according to a statement Miller released late last week.
Miller, who chairs the House Committee on Veterans’ Affairs, said he is alarmed by a “heartbreaking” pattern of patient care issues over the last few years at medical centers across the nation. Patients at the clinics have committed suicide, overdosed and contracted fatal infections because of a lack of proper care.
He said he is concerned that no one is being held accountable and, in some cases, responsible parties apparently are being rewarded with bonuses and promotions.
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Spin away on your Obama cock Peace.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ucking-it.html

Carney said well we are investigating if the President ever received the letter blah blah. It's not my fault you won't believe anything unless Obama admits to it.

The letter was written, it was sent, whether or not Obama has anyone read **** or he reads anything is up for debate. My guess is he throws letters away and doesn't listen to anyone out of his inner circle.
Bush knew everything and Obama lives in a bubble. It's the only way they can keep their sanity.
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Notice how Obama and the liberals only worry about soldiers who are traitors, yet those that served honorably can be treated like garbage for all they care. Oh, and now no proof that this guy was at death's door as Obama and his admin. were claiming, lying. Their intell for that came from a video where he looked sick. The Taliban and other terror networks are just laughing at Obama, which puts all Americans in danger. Great going there.
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No reason to even care about someone who is a traitor unless it's to give him the firing squad.

Hopefully the CIA is inserting nano probes into talibani ass before they release them.
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Again can you provide proof Obama was sent this letter or as usual,just making **** up.
Waiting for your spin on this Peace. Gave you the link to the letter, it's all true and public knowledge despite being buried by most of the media. Obama knew and did nothing.
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As much as you want to try tie the VA issue and Obamacare together, they are not related. There is big difference on process, management and parties involved. And for the record the issue isn't the medical care provide by the VA (it very highly rated by veterans) it the scheduling access to that care because of the lack of medical resources and management practices.
and it takes 90 days to see a doctor on your first visit. If we expand this to the whole country as in "Obamacare" then don't you think we would even have more issues with behind the scene problems? I think the tax code is bigger than the items in the booklet for Obamacare.

Also, show me where the vast majority think the medical care by the VA is highly rated. I think the whole package is what matters not having a successful operation but became more of a problem with neglect before or after the actual procedure.
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On a single night in January last year, there were 57,849 homeless veterans sleeping on the streets, according to the Department of Veterans Affairs.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5461927.html
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It isn't a new problem. My grandpa was granted disability (100%) by the VA in the 70s, only to have Reagan and his goons knock it down to (70%) in the 80s. Never got back up to receiving his full disability benefits, besides the fact he had one arm and a myriad of issues stemming from being blowed away at the Bulge.
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