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Old 05-29-2014, 02:08 AM   #101
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I know no one pays any attention to this president anymore, but his new foreign policy thrust to try to take the attention off of the utter failure of government run healthcare is obvious.

Now Obama is paying lip service to targeting Boko Haram in Nigeria? Utterly laughable. I guess all it takes now is a few dim-witted celebrities on twitter to completely change the foreign policy thrust of the US government.

Whatever happened to Joseph Kony? Oh that's right, nothing. US Veterans are dying because of the failure of the VA. Everything you touch fails, yet you think intervening in the internal politics of a country that hates you will make you look good?

Newsflash: the Obama administration has displaced millions of Africans and led to the death's of untold more. Where's your #letthesomalisgohome twitter campaign?
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Old 05-29-2014, 05:49 AM   #102
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I focused on item 2 because that's what you were talking about. You literally quoted from it.
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cutthemdown, do you have something to support your statements that Obama "calls out Bush for the performance of the VA" and/or that "Obama blames Bush"?
The first quote is #2 from cuts post, the second quote #9.
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Old 05-29-2014, 05:54 AM   #103
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Let's list the other clandestine wars that the Obama administration has gotten the US involved in...
Add up all of the American deaths and money spent on all of these "clandestine wars", excluding Afghanistan, we were/are apparently involved in and they don't remotely equal one Iraq. As with the VA issue, this doesn't excuse any wrongdoing or mistakes on Obama's part. But the comparison here is silly, just as blaming Obama for something that's been a problem for many years is silly.
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Dems had no problem blaming Bush for economic problems whose seeds went back to before he was President.

He also got blamed for FEMA not being up to snuff when disasters hit. He couldn't just say this is the first I had heard about the flooding in NO, from the TV.

Dems held Bush to a higher standard then they do Obama. Now though they don't blame or hold him accountable for anything.
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Old 05-29-2014, 09:37 AM   #105
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I know no one pays any attention to this president anymore, but his new foreign policy thrust to try to take the attention off of the utter failure of government run healthcare is obvious.

Now Obama is paying lip service to targeting Boko Haram in Nigeria? Utterly laughable. I guess all it takes now is a few dim-witted celebrities on twitter to completely change the foreign policy thrust of the US government.

Whatever happened to Joseph Kony? Oh that's right, nothing. US Veterans are dying because of the failure of the VA. Everything you touch fails, yet you think intervening in the internal politics of a country that hates you will make you look good?

Newsflash: the Obama administration has displaced millions of Africans and led to the death's of untold more. Where's your #letthesomalisgohome twitter campaign?
Funny that in Africa Bush is a hero to them. Also you can add what happened to Syria and the refugees you said mattered, the civilians? Oh thats right you got punked by the Russians and now you figure out of site out of mind.

Obama never brings up Syria anymore.
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Old 05-29-2014, 09:47 AM   #106
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Some humor to lighten the mood...

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Obama Defends Controversial Policy of Not Invading Countries for No Reason

President Obama raised eyebrows with his West Point commencement address Wednesday by offering a defense of his controversial foreign-policy doctrine of not invading countries for no reason.

Conservative critics were taken aback by Obama’s speech, which was riddled with incendiary remarks about only using military force for a clearly identified and rational purpose.

Obama did not shy away from employing polarizing rhetoric, often using words such as “responsible” and “sensible” to underscore his message.

Harland Dorrinson, a fellow at the conservative think tank the Center for Global Intervention, said that he was “stunned” to see Obama “defend his failure to engage the United States in impulsive and random military adventures.”

“History tells us that the best way to earn respect around the world is by using your military in a totally unpredictable and reckless manner,” he said. “Today, President Obama showed once again that he doesn’t get it.”
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Old 05-29-2014, 10:03 AM   #107
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What policy is that?

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As Libya deteriorates into an increasingly armed conflict between hardline Islamic groups and forces loyal to renegade Gen. Khalifa Hifter, the State Department urged U.S. citizens to leave the country as the U.S. began positioning troops to quickly evacuate Americans if necessary.
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Obama is such an empty suit Tony. That West Point speech was not received well. You can see how the new officers from West Point don't respect the President.

Why? Because he leads from behind, flip flops, is weak, is indecisive and quite frankly lacks the balls needed for chops on the international stage.
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Obama's foreign policy in reality doesn't exist. It's whichever the wind happens to be blowing at the time and whatever he thinks might win political points and excuse to make yet another boring speech, reciting the same things he did even before being president.
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Add up all of the American deaths and money spent on all of these "clandestine wars", excluding Afghanistan, we were/are apparently involved in and they don't remotely equal one Iraq. As with the VA issue, this doesn't excuse any wrongdoing or mistakes on Obama's part. But the comparison here is silly, just as blaming Obama for something that's been a problem for many years is silly.
Afghanistan deaths Bush - 575
Afghanistan deaths Obama - 1500+



That doesn't include the other 13 wars that the Obama administration has entered into in the last 6 years.The sheer hypocrisy that Obama supporters have when it comes to war is very interesting.

As for the VA, this is a program that Socialist Progressives like yourself propped up in 2010 saying it was a shining beacon of government single-payer. It has been proven to be unworkable, unsustainable, and too expensive...just like you were told. Who takes the blame for it is onconsequential. Government healthcare doesn't work.
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Obama's foreign policy in reality doesn't exist. It's whichever the wind happens to be blowing at the time and whatever he thinks might win political points and excuse to make yet another boring speech, reciting the same things he did even before being president.
This is a reality that even the big media dogs are finally having to acknowledge.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...d19_print.html

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PRESIDENT OBAMA has retrenched U.S. global engagement in a way that has shaken the confidence of many U.S. allies and encouraged some adversaries. That conclusion can be heard not just from Republican hawks but also from senior officials from Singapore to France and, more quietly, from some leading congressional Democrats. As he has so often in his political career, Mr. Obama has elected to respond to the critical consensus not by adjusting policy but rather by delivering a big speech...

In his address Wednesday to the graduating cadets at West Point , Mr. Obama marshaled a virtual corps of straw men, dismissing those who “say that every problem has a military solution,” who “think military intervention is the only way for America to avoid looking weak,” who favor putting “American troops into the middle of [Syria’s] increasingly sectarian civil war,” who propose “invading every country that harbors terrorist networks” and who think that “working through international institutions . . . or respecting international law is a sign of weakness.”

Few, if any, of those who question the president’s record hold such views
They've finally caught on to Obamaspeak 101. Scarecrows are your only real adversaries.
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Obama's foreign policy in reality doesn't exist. It's whichever the wind happens to be blowing at the time and whatever he thinks might win political points and excuse to make yet another boring speech, reciting the same things he did even before being president.
I watched the last 5 minutes of Obama's West Point speech. His capstone on the whole 45 minute rambling diatribe was telling the graduates how they needed to do something about Boko Haram in Nigeria. In two weeks, the Socialist Progressives won't even remember who Boko Haram is.

What about the thousands of people that have been kidnapped and killed all over Africa in the last year? What about the 100's of thousands of Somalis that have been displaced due to the US sponsoring Ethiopia to de-stabilize the Somali government? What about the Egyptians, and Libyans that this administration had a direct hand in upheaval?

The only thing this administration is good at is agitation. Stir up everybody, get some people killed, leave in a complete state of chaos, and move on to their next "cause". How pathetic.
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Add up all of the American deaths and money spent on all of these "clandestine wars", excluding Afghanistan, we were/are apparently involved in and they don't remotely equal one Iraq. As with the VA issue, this doesn't excuse any wrongdoing or mistakes on Obama's part. But the comparison here is silly, just as blaming Obama for something that's been a problem for many years is silly.
You won't change his mind. Price is one of those that totes the party's agenda no matter how wrong he is. Same with cuthemdown. Both are just sworn right wing die hards and will never argue a case against one of their own.
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You won't change his mind. Price is one of those that totes the party's agenda no matter how wrong he is. Same with cuthemdown. Both are just sworn right wing die hards and will never argue a case against one of their own.
I don't have a party. Party politics are what's killing this country. I am merely pointing out the complete and utter failure of Socialist Progressive policies.

Obama is the worst president in US history.

Bush is the 2nd worst.
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I don't have a party. Party politics are what's killing this country. I am merely pointing out the complete and utter failure of Socialist Progressive policies.

Obama is the worst president in US history.

Bush is the 2nd worst.
I would think Carter is somewhere in this mix.
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I would think Carter is somewhere in this mix.
Top things Republicans would have your forget about Reagan.

1) Reagan was a serial tax raiser. As governor of California, Reagan “signed into law the largest tax increase in the history of any state up till then.” Meanwhile, state spending nearly doubled. As president, Reagan “raised taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two years.

2) Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit. During the Reagan years, the debt increased to nearly $3 trillion, “roughly three times as much as the first 80 years of the century had done altogether.”

3) Unemployment soared after Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts. Unemployment jumped to 10.8 percent after Reagan enacted his much-touted tax cut, and it took years for the rate to get back down to its previous level. Meanwhile, income inequality exploded.

4) Reagan grew the size of the federal government tremendously. Reagan promised “to move boldly, decisively, and quickly to control the runaway growth of federal spending,” but federal spending “ballooned” under Reagan. He bailed out Social Security in 1983 after attempting to privatize it, and set up a progressive taxation system to keep it funded into the future. He promised to cut government agencies like the Department of Energy and Education but ended up adding one of the largest — the Department of Veterans’ Affairs, which today has a budget of nearly $90 billion and close to 300,000 employees. He also hiked defense spending by over $100 billion a year to a level not seen since the height of the Vietnam war.

5) Reagan illegally funneled weapons to Iran. Reagan and other senior U.S. officials secretly sold arms to officials in Iran, which was subject to a an arms embargo at the time, in exchange for American hostages. Some funds from the illegal arms sales also went to fund anti-Communist rebels in Nicaragua — something Congress had already prohibited the administration from doing. When the deals went public, the Iran-Contra Affair, as it came to be know, was an enormous political scandal that forced several senior administration officials to resign.

6) Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. Reagan fought a proxy war with the Soviet Union by training, arming, equipping, and funding Islamist mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan. Reagan funneled billions of dollars, along with top-secret intelligence and sophisticated weaponry to these fighters through the Pakistani intelligence service. The Talbian and Osama Bin Laden — a prominent mujahidin commander — emerged from these mujahidin groups Reagan helped create, and U.S. policy towards Pakistan remains strained because of the intelligence services’ close relations to these fighters. In fact, Reagan’s decision to continue the proxy war after the Soviets were willing to retreat played a direct role in Bin Laden’s ascendancy.
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Amazing how under Reagan, everything was Reagan's fault, but under Obama, everything is the Republicans in Congress' fault.

Heck, Reagan didn't immediately fix the unemployment problem within two years of taking office, so he was a failure.

Obama? Bush's fault.
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You won't change his mind. Price is one of those that totes the party's agenda no matter how wrong he is. Same with cuthemdown. Both are just sworn right wing die hards and will never argue a case against one of their own.
Unlike you and democrats I'm sure.
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Amazing how under Reagan, everything was Reagan's fault, but under Obama, everything is the Republicans in Congress' fault.

Heck, Reagan didn't immediately fix the unemployment problem within two years of taking office, so he was a failure.

Obama? Bush's fault.
I give the Dems a lot of credit for helping the economy back in the early 1980s. They realized the mess Carter put us in and got congress, Dem controlled, to go along with his policies.

Zona, I say throw Carter in the mix of bottom 3 presidents and like a good foot soldier, you go to Reagan instead. Disregard what Carter did to our country. I bet you like to tell us all about the 9% interest rate we had under Reagan even though he helped bring it down from at least 16% and no one could borrow to buy a home.
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Funny that in Africa Bush is a hero to them.
Salva Kiir, the president of South Sudan, wears the black cowboy hat that Bush gave to him. I have respect for Bush. I would definitely shake his hand if given the chance. I never voted for him.

However, Bush added ~$2.3T to the US federal debt. This fact alone makes him a bad president in my book.

Obama? Forget about it. By the time he's out of office, the guy will likely have added more to the federal debt than all other US Presidents combined.
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Unlike you and democrats I'm sure.
I've voted Republican and Democrat in presidential elections. How about you? That's what I thought.
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Salva Kiir, the president of South Sudan, wears the black cowboy hat that Bush gave to him. I have respect for Bush. I would definitely shake his hand if given the chance. I never voted for him.

However, Bush added ~$2.3T to the US federal debt. This fact alone makes him a bad president in my book.

Obama? Forget about it. By the time he's out of office, the guy will likely have added more to the federal debt than all other US Presidents combined.
Let's be quite real here. It's the Republicans who are hell bent for more Wallstreet deregulation, the reason that the worst financial mess ever was dumped in Obama's lap in the first place. The state of our economy over the past 6 years or so is pure and simple the fault of greedy Wallstreet bankers and corporations that had little to no regulations. They get so big we can't afford them to fail. We bail them out and save their asses and nobody goes to prison. Did they learn anything? No, they still have Republicans lobbying for further deregulation of Wallstreet. The CEO's still make billions. How is that any good for middle class America?
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Let's be quite real here. It's the Republicans who are hell bent for more Wallstreet deregulation, the reason that the worst financial mess ever was dumped in Obama's lap in the first place. The state of our economy over the past 6 years or so is pure and simple the fault of greedy Wallstreet bankers and corporations that had little to no regulations. They get so big we can't afford them to fail. We bail them out and save their asses and nobody goes to prison. Did they learn anything? No, they still have Republicans lobbying for further deregulation of Wallstreet. The CEO's still make billions. How is that any good for middle class America?
The FEDERAL GOVERNMENT pushed banks to take on ever-increasing levels of subprime loans starting in the Clinton presidency. Democrats Barney Frank and Chris Dodd put Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac at the epicenter of the financial meltdown, by lowering mortgage standards for the first time in American history.

Beginning in 1992, the government required Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to direct a substantial portion of their mortgage financing to borrowers who were at or below the median income in their communities. The original legislative quota was 30%. But the Department of Housing and Urban Development was given authority to adjust it, and through the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations HUD raised the quota to 50% by 2000 and 55% by 2007. 27 million loans—half of all mortgages in the U.S.—were subprime or otherwise weak by 2008. That is, the loans were made to borrowers with blemished credit, or were loans with no or low down payments, no documentation, or required only interest payments. Of these, over 70% were held or guaranteed by Fannie and Freddie or some other government agency or government-regulated institution. Thus it is clear where the demand for these deficient mortgages came from.

And yes, the Socialist Progressives are weakening lending standards again in attempts to jumpstart the lending industry. They've already manipulated the market and skyrocketed prices to the point that first time homebuyers have no chance of getting in. They have learned absolutely nothing. The federal government needs to get out of the US mortgage industry completely.

Throwing some garbage term out there like "deregulation" caused the mortgage crisis is not only misinformation, but a blatant lie. The federal government DIRECTED wall street to take on toxic debt, knowing that they'd be bailed out by the American taxpayer all along. The American Taxpayer should in no way be liable for the criminal actions of Dodd-Frank or any other government officials attempting to socially engineer prosperity. Socialism is an UTTER FAILURE.
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Salva Kiir, the president of South Sudan, wears the black cowboy hat that Bush gave to him. I have respect for Bush. I would definitely shake his hand if given the chance. I never voted for him.

However, Bush added ~$2.3T to the US federal debt. This fact alone makes him a bad president in my book.

Obama? Forget about it. By the time he's out of office, the guy will likely have added more to the federal debt than all other US Presidents combined.
The govt is out of control when it comes to spending. Both dems and repubs alike. When it comes to big ticket military items both parties have their pet projects depending on what state the hardware built. Trust me liberals from the shipyard states that new destroyer is being built at were quite happy when Obama revived it. Bush and Cheney cut it because it was so expensive.

Billions per ship.
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I hammer on Obama because literally everything was blamed on Bush around here when he was President.

FEMA a little slow responding to a huge hurricane? Bush's fault. Banks making bad loans for decades and finally blows up on Bush's watch=Bush's fault.

Liberals are being liars if they say they didn't do it that way.
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