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Old 05-22-2016, 07:45 PM   #1
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“There will be a long-term mission in Libya,” the nation’s top general said, according to The Washington Post. “We’re just not ready to deploy capabilities yet because there hasn’t been an agreement. And frankly, any day that could happen.”....

....Beyond the near-term political consequences, opening up a third ISIS front could have a detrimental effect on the nation’s finances and the agenda of Obama’s successor.
As of April 15, the U.S.-led war against ISIS has cost $7.2 billion, with the average daily cost coming to $11.7 million, according to Pentagon estimates released this week.
While NATO would be involved in the Libya commitment, it’s not hard to imagine the U.S. eventually picking up the lion’s share of the tab for the new, possibly years-long effort.
That could mean billions more going toward anti-ISIS military operations, with no end in sight.
It’s also important to note that Dunford didn’t provide a figure for how many advisers might go to Libya. The U.S. had a small troop footprint in Iraq two years ago, but there are more than 3,500 soldiers in Iraq today.
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Hillary and Obama's wars! We like to start em, just no plan to finish them!
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So France decides Gaddafi has to go and leads the effort in NATO to bomb them. USA signs on and gives all the refueling and intelligence NATO needs to complete said mission.

Now that the country is a mess, ISIS has taken over, refugees are flooding Europe the next American President gets to deal with it. Maybe it should be Hilliary and the Dems left to clean up the mess they made.
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Hillary still defends intervention in Libya as "the right thing to do".

All the obama voters have nothing to say in this thread.

Even as their votes, made war in these places possible.

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Depends on how they are used. In Iraq they've played a training and intelligence role and have largely stayed out of the fighting. As a result, ISIS is on the run, the Iraqi military is gaining ground, and we've only lost 3 US troops in the process.
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Depends on how they are used. In Iraq they've played a training and intelligence role and have largely stayed out of the fighting. As a result, ISIS is on the run, the Iraqi military is gaining ground, and we've only lost 3 US troops in the process.
iraq wouldn't even need this had Obama just left troops their to maintain security.
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Iraq trying to retake fullaja as we speak. Let's hope it goes well and they can hold it down.
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Depends on how they are used. In Iraq they've played a training and intelligence role and have largely stayed out of the fighting. As a result, ISIS is on the run, the Iraqi military is gaining ground, and we've only lost 3 US troops in the process.
So for you war is all about how many troops die. It's fine to take down dictators and start a war as long as our troops don't die? Do you are at all about the reports our drones have killed more women and children under Obama then under Bush?

If you only care about our dead why not just wipe whole cities off the map with fuel air bombs?
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So for you war is all about how many troops die. It's fine to take down dictators and start a war as long as our troops don't die? Do you are at all about the reports our drones have killed more women and children under Obama then under Bush?

If you only care about our dead why not just wipe whole cities off the map with fuel air bombs?
I care about crushing ISIS. You don't?

The strategy in Iraq is doing just that, and by the locals who have a real stake in the outcome, not US troops.
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15 years later. And we still are battling over the same land in Iraq.

We would be better burning our money in the street, at least we could get warm from a bonfire.
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15 years later. And we still are battling over the same land in Iraq.

We would be better burning our money in the street, at least we could get warm from a bonfire.
Feels like that sometimes don't it? The ME has always been such a complex puzzle and the West has f-ked a lot of it up.
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I care about crushing ISIS. You don't?

The strategy in Iraq is doing just that, and by the locals who have a real stake in the outcome, not US troops.
I didn't know it was going that well in Iraq.
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iraq wouldn't even need this had Obama just left troops their to maintain security.
If GWB didn't **** up invading Iraq, isis wouldn't exist. Besides you can't leave troops without SOFA.
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If GWB didn't **** up invading Iraq, isis wouldn't exist. Besides you can't leave troops without SOFA.
Obama didn't try to get an agreement. He said all along he was going to pull them out. He said it in the election then again after he got elected.

He didn't pull out the we didn't have an agreement, Bush agreed to pull them out until Iraq became an isis state with Iran gaining influence with the Iraqi govt.

So lets cut the BS on that.

Also starting up with Libya and Syria is all on Obama and Hillary Clinton. Also that was Obama who first supported Mubarak being ousted, then supported elections, then supported the military coup when the Muslim Brotherhood won.

Russia has gone nuts, China is taking over vast amounts of ocean and Obama is going to arm the **** out of Vietnam. Scary **** going on without even mentioning Russia taking over the Crimea and parts of the Ukraine. Many people think an invasion of Latvia is next.
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**** what Bush did in Iraq pales in comparison to what turmoil Obama has fomented.
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**** what Bush did in Iraq pales in comparison to what turmoil Obama has fomented.
You're a idiot.
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Obama didn't try to get an agreement. He said all along he was going to pull them out. He said it in the election then again after he got elected.

He didn't pull out the we didn't have an agreement, Bush agreed to pull them out until Iraq became an isis state with Iran gaining influence with the Iraqi govt.

So lets cut the BS on that.

Also starting up with Libya and Syria is all on Obama and Hillary Clinton. Also that was Obama who first supported Mubarak being ousted, then supported elections, then supported the military coup when the Muslim Brotherhood won.

Russia has gone nuts, China is taking over vast amounts of ocean and Obama is going to arm the **** out of Vietnam. Scary **** going on without even mentioning Russia taking over the Crimea and parts of the Ukraine. Many people think an invasion of Latvia is next.
Troops were never going to remain in Iraq even if McCain had gotten elected.
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Troops were never going to remain in Iraq even if McCain had gotten elected.
Not sure about that. McCain's about as hawkish on that stuff as they come.
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Not sure about that. McCain's about as hawkish on that stuff as they come.
No matter who got elected, a SOFA was needed. GWB didn't agree to Iraqi demands nor would McCain.
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No matter who got elected, a SOFA was needed. GWB didn't agree to Iraqi demands nor would McCain.
Bush didn't want the headache anymore so he punted it off until after inauguration.

McCain was always talking boots on the ground everywhere. Even back then.

Really don't think full withdrawal would've happened with McCain.
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Bush didn't want the headache anymore so he punted it off until after inauguration.

McCain was always talking boots on the ground everywhere. Even back then.

Really don't think full withdrawal would've happened with McCain.
The reason,which I've posted many times,that GWB didn't get a SOFA is because the Iraqi government wanted to be able to arrest and prosecute American soldiers. GWB would not do it and rightfully so. So unless you think McCain, a former POW, was going to give in to that demand, troops were not going to remain.
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I didn't know it was going that well in Iraq.
ISIS is clearly losing. They've lost some 40% of their former territory in Iraq, are dealing with growing defections, struggling financially, and haven't launched a major offensive since last summer. And now the Iraqi army is set to take back Falluja and is collaborating with the Kurds to take back Mosul.

I think after Mosul falls there's a good chance ISIS will collapse from within.

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**** what Bush did in Iraq pales in comparison to what turmoil Obama has fomented.
With an "informed" populace like this, no wonder Trump can win his party's nomination.
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