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Old 05-16-2014, 05:39 PM   #76
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I don't really like it. He owned us last year and I'd rather us play the best.
I'm fine w/ it considering it's a week 1 contest and Denver has Sea, SF, AZ, StL on the schedule. All of which have very good defences.
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I'm fine w/ it considering it's a week 1 contest and Denver has Sea, SF, AZ, StL on the schedule. All of which have very good defences.
I'm fine with it because it means less potential hits on Manning and a healthier neck.
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When they don't test for hgh why do something they do test for?
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I don't care if we aren't facing them at their best. We'll have plenty of opportunities to face good teams this season. Getting some breaks on your schedule is all part of the equation to getting into the playoffs. We all know just getting in is the only important thing.
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When they don't test for hgh why do something they do test for?
Considering the amount of guys who get busted for weed even when it's widely known when you will get tested... Why even ask this question?

Plus there are drawbacks to each performance enhancer. Some will go farther than others and risk their health more.
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If he was in fact taking fertility medicine then it would be pretty ****ty of Goddell to not remove the offense.
Pretty hard for Goodell to know this situation since he obviously never born but made from ****.
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Old 05-17-2014, 01:22 AM   #82
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Considering the amount of guys who get busted for weed even when it's widely known when you will get tested... Why even ask this question?

Plus there are drawbacks to each performance enhancer. Some will go farther than others and risk their health more.
Yeah but weed gets you high. What cool drug can you do that is mellow and safe that compares.

Maybe HGH not that good by itself? but more part of a cocktail with steriods?

I was just wondering if HGH worked so well why do steriods? I don't think weed really compares.
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Old 05-17-2014, 04:33 AM   #83
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He has twin sons, so lol at this claim of infertility.

Not saying that he isn't guilty but clomid is used to treat male infertility and twins are also often a result of In Vitro fertilization. But if that were true he probably would have used the clomid before and I would assume he'd know by now what he was using, considering this wouldn't have been his first round of treatment.
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ROBERT MATHIS STATEMENT: "It is difficult for me to address the circumstances surrounding this suspension because they involve very personal medical information, but it is very important to me that my fans, particularly young people, understand what did and did not occur. Like many families, my wife and I faced fertility challenges, and I sought medical assistance. I specifically asked the doctor if the medication he prescribed for me would present a problem for NFL drug testing, and unfortunately, he incorrectly told me that it would not. I made the mistake of not calling the NFL or NFLPA to double check before I took the medication at the end of last season. The union has worked very closely with me to present all of the facts and medical records for consideration of discipline that does not include a suspension because of the unique facts of my case, but the Commissioner refused the request. I am deeply saddened that this situation will prevent me from contributing to my team for four games, and I regret that I didn't cross check what my doctor told me before I took the medication. I hope that my fans will understand the unique circumstances involved here and continue to know that I am a man of integrity who would never intentionally circumvent the performance enhancing substance policy agreed to by the NFL and my union. The incredible blessing of this very upsetting situation is that, after I took the medication very briefly at the end of last season, we learned that my wife is expecting a baby. We are thrilled that we will be welcoming a new member in several months, but I apologize to my teammates, coaches and Colts fans that I will not be able to contribute to my team for the first four weeks of the 2014 season. I will work extremely hard during that time to stay in top football shape and will be prepared to contribute immediately upon my return."
Goodell is a mega douche.
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“The drug for which Mr. Mathis tested positive is not approved by the FDA for fertility in males and is a performance-enhancing drug that has been prohibited for years. Importantly, Mr. Mathis did not consult with the policy’s Independent Administrator, a physician jointly approved by the NFL and NFL Players Association. Nor did he consult with his team doctor, the team’s training staff, the NFLPA, the league office or the hotline established under the policy to give confidential information to players. Each of these sources would have warned against using this substance.

“A cornerstone of the program is that a player is responsible for what is in his body. Consistent application of the policy’s procedures is critical to the integrity of the program.”


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“The drug for which Mr. Mathis tested positive is not approved by the FDA for fertility in males and is a performance-enhancing drug that has been prohibited for years. Importantly, Mr. Mathis did not consult with the policy’s Independent Administrator, a physician jointly approved by the NFL and NFL Players Association. Nor did he consult with his team doctor, the team’s training staff, the NFLPA, the league office or the hotline established under the policy to give confidential information to players. Each of these sources would have warned against using this substance.

“A cornerstone of the program is that a player is responsible for what is in his body. Consistent application of the policy’s procedures is critical to the integrity of the program.”


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well, there you go. It was his responsibility to check with his team doctors, and/or the independent administrator, and/or various different available sources.
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Goodell is a mega douche.
Why is he? Robert took a known drug that goes with a steroid cycle and knew if he was caught he would be suspended. He could also then try and make it look like some fertility drug. I would be in the same boat as Robert if I took banned drugs at my work except I would be on the street without a job. Robert cheated and was caught. It is time for him to pay up.
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Why is he? Robert took a known drug that goes with a steroid cycle and knew if he was caught he would be suspended. He could also then try and make it look like some fertility drug. I would be in the same boat as Robert if I took banned drugs at my work except I would be on the street without a job. Robert cheated and was caught. It is time for him to pay up.
Yep. People love to bash Goodell. Anyway you cut it Mathis is in the wrong here.
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I didn't realize that this mixed estrogen agonist/antagonist that is used by steroid abusers was against the drug policy. I was using it because I'm infertile. Pay no attention to my previously fathered children.
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He has twin sons, so lol at this claim of infertility.

To be fair, those kids look a little like Travis Henry.
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To be fair, those kids look a little like Travis Henry.
Don't be talking about my dad like that.
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In the case of Colts defensive end Robert Mathis, the NFL has departed from its usual policy, responding to the statement issued by agent Hadley Englehard.

Englehard called the suspension “unjust and unfair,” explaining that Mathis was taking a fertility drug in order to have another child. The drug is on the list of banned substances.

“As Mr. Mathis’s agent acknowledged today, his client failed to follow the protocols in the policy that the NFL and NFLPA agreed upon to address precisely these kinds of claims,” the league said. “That policy also prescribes the disciplinary consequences of a positive test. The policy does not provide — nor should it provide — for the Commissioner to override the policy’s procedures and assess discipline on an after-the-fact, ad hoc basis. Here Mr. Mathis actually withdrew his appeal and accepted discipline at the union’s suggestion. His hearing took place only after the Players Association requested that the appeal be reinstated.

“The drug for which Mr. Mathis tested positive is not approved by the FDA for fertility in males and is a performance-enhancing drug that has been prohibited for years. Importantly, Mr. Mathis did not consult with the policy’s Independent Administrator, a physician jointly approved by the NFL and NFL Players Association. Nor did he consult with his team doctor, the team’s training staff, the NFLPA, the league office or the hotline established under the policy to give confidential information to players. Each of these sources would have warned against using this substance.

“A cornerstone of the program is that a player is responsible for what is in his body. Consistent application of the policy’s procedures is critical to the integrity of the program.”

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The league is not buying his agent bs.
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Old 05-17-2014, 06:17 PM   #93
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ROBERT MATHIS STATEMENT: "It is difficult for me to address the circumstances surrounding this suspension because they involve very personal medical information, but it is very important to me that my fans, particularly young people, understand what did and did not occur. Like many families, my wife and I faced fertility challenges, and I sought medical assistance. I specifically asked the doctor if the medication he prescribed for me would present a problem for NFL drug testing, and unfortunately, he incorrectly told me that it would not. I made the mistake of not calling the NFL or NFLPA to double check before I took the medication at the end of last season. The union has worked very closely with me to present all of the facts and medical records for consideration of discipline that does not include a suspension because of the unique facts of my case, but the Commissioner refused the request. I am deeply saddened that this situation will prevent me from contributing to my team for four games, and I regret that I didn't cross check what my doctor told me before I took the medication. I hope that my fans will understand the unique circumstances involved here and continue to know that I am a man of integrity who would never intentionally circumvent the performance enhancing substance policy agreed to by the NFL and my union. The incredible blessing of this very upsetting situation is that, after I took the medication very briefly at the end of last season, we learned that my wife is expecting a baby. We are thrilled that we will be welcoming a new member in several months, but I apologize to my teammates, coaches and Colts fans that I will not be able to contribute to my team for the first four weeks of the 2014 season. I will work extremely hard during that time to stay in top football shape and will be prepared to contribute immediately upon my return."
To get a suspension don't you already have to be in the program and have tested positive once before?

He is right he should have checked with the NFL, NFLPA, Union, anyone else that he needs to in order to make sure it isn't a violation. Just like missing a test, ignorance is not bliss.
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To get a suspension don't you already have to be in the program and have tested positive once before?

He is right he should have checked with the NFL, NFLPA, Union, anyone else that he needs to in order to make sure it isn't a violation. Just like missing a test, ignorance is not bliss.
This is what I thought. I think that only applies to rec drugs through. PED's are an instant suspension on 1st offense apparently.
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Well he did attempt to repopulate the world.
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This is what I thought. I think that only applies to rec drugs through. PED's are an instant suspension on 1st offense apparently.
This is correct. Recreational drugs and performance enhancing drugs each have entire programs that are handled completely differently by the NFL. Drugs under the PED category, which includes all PED masking agents, are an immediate 4 game suspension and the player is in stage 2 of the NFL substance abuse program, which means frequent random testings with a possibility to cycle down to stage 1 and eventually out of the program. All NFL players are randomly tested throughout the year whether they are in the program or not, including up to 6 random tests during the offseason.
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You also can't be in the team facility during PED suspensions, you can during recreational drug suspensions.
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If you believe Mathis - shame on you.

Mathis has been paid millions over his career, you don't think he'd double check to see if they can take a FERTILITY drug and if it could affect their career? Not to mention - as an athlete - you're pretty well aware of the whole PED world. No one is that stupid - professional athletes are around this **** on a daily basis.

His team probably schemed this up before he started his PEDs - that just in case he gets caught he can pull the "family" card and connect with Americans. PR 101.

You shouldn't even need to know the following details to assume he's lying.

The drug Mathis alleged took is a known drug that can be used in conjunction with PED's to mask the PED...and as someone said earlier - used at the end of a cycle.

The way this played out - Mathis pulling his appeal, NFL responding to Mathis - tells me the NFL could have very well tested him for PED's but only released the Clomid for PR purposes. And if Mathis wanted to go to keep pushing they'll drop the hammer and **** up his career image.

Mathis's agent/team did their best to save his image. You don't want to get caught using PEDs in this day and age...especially with where he's at in his career.

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Can't find the one where he twisted his ankle.
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