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Old 05-16-2014, 02:27 PM   #26
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Right on. Its still hard to buy this fertility crap IMHO
Yeah, don't know if I buy it either. Too many times these things come out and it turns out that they're just cheaters.
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Old 05-16-2014, 02:28 PM   #27
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That's a pretty huge jump from '12 to '13.
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Old 05-16-2014, 02:31 PM   #28
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I have buddies who juice. Clomid is used after you finish your cycle so your estrogen doesn't get outta control. Don't know much about it TBH but I don't think its something used to increase fertility.
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Old 05-16-2014, 02:31 PM   #29
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That's a pretty huge jump from '12 to '13.
Exactly, its not like he's a young player. I thought it was strange how well he played in 13.

Not buying his bs.
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Old 05-16-2014, 02:31 PM   #30
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Yeah, don't know if I buy it either. Too many times these things come out and it turns out that they're just cheaters.
Sure...but he can medically prove this along with his wife's records. Goodell wouldn't even review it...and that's why he's a ****bag.
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Old 05-16-2014, 02:33 PM   #31
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Clomid is what you use after your done with your roid cycle. It prevents moobs and every guy I know that used roids finishes off with Clomid once their done with their 6-8 week cycle..
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Doc can probably comment better than a Wikipedia article, but how did he think that a drug that raises testosterone wouldn't be banned? Either he's lying or has a clueless MD:

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Clomifene is commonly used by male users to bind the estrogen receptors in their bodies, thereby blocking the effects of estrogen, such as gynecomastia. It also restores the body's natural production of testosterone.[18] It is included on the World Anti-Doping Agency list of illegal doping agents in sport.[19]
I smell BS.
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Ehh whatever. All these players push the envelope on PEDS.
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I dont know if he did anything but that is a huge jump at 31-32?
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Old 05-16-2014, 02:39 PM   #35
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If he was in fact taking fertility medicine then it would be pretty ****ty of Goddell to not remove the offense.
It doesn't matter, players are totally responsible for checking everything they take.
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Clomid is what you use after your done with your roid cycle. It prevents moobs and every guy I know that used roids finishes off with Clomid once their done with their 6-8 week cycle..
Yep. Post cycle recovery. If he is lying he's a dbag bringing a kid excuse into it.
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If he was in fact taking fertility medicine then it would be pretty ****ty of Goddell to not remove the offense.
Yeah since so many males take fertility drugs. It is taken to block the estrogen you get from roids. I have never taken them but from what I heard you need to take estrogen blockers. Who on the Orangemane has done Roids and can chime in? I know somebody has.

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This is where we need g6matty's knowledge on the subject. There's clomid in that jug he's holding.
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19.5 sacks the most in a season by a player over 32.

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Not looking good for Mr. Mathis. Seriously doubt this gets overturned. Cry me a river Colts fans.
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He thought he was getting more fruits and vegetables....


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The NFL denied his appeal too...
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Sure...but he can medically prove this along with his wife's records. Goodell wouldn't even review it...and that's why he's a ****bag.
If the drug was in his pill, then its a PED.. I understand the hate, but a drug on the list is a drug on the list.


This does bring up an interesting point with players having fertility issues, can they even attempt this type of treatment while playing, or are there are other drug options out there?
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It doesn't matter, players are totally responsible for checking everything they take.
Bingo.
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Suspension comes on the second failed test right? The fertility crap sounds like BS to me. The guy is old and putting up huge numbers. A shame. I always like Mathis. Expected better from him


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I have buddies who juice. Clomid is used after you finish your cycle so your estrogen doesn't get outta control. Don't know much about it TBH but I don't think its something used to increase fertility.
You expect more from a stranger then a buddy?
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I have a friend named Chloe because her parents took clomid to get preggers
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Hold up a damn minute. He only took the meds for 10-12 and during that time frame he goes from shooting blanks to knocking up his now pregnant wife?

This is a steaming pile of horse ****.
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You expect more from a stranger then a buddy?
First of all, my buddies are a-holes. Second, none of them compete so I could care less if they juice. I've just always liked Mathis. Seems like a great guy. I don't enjoy seeing players I like get busted for this type of thing.
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Bottom line, as others have said, is he should have known about what he was taking and cleared with the NFLPA. I find it hard to believe that a pro athlete surrounded by PED's doesn't know that Clomid is a VERY common form of PCT and a banned sub.
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First of all, my buddies are a-holes. Second, none of them compete so I could care less if they juice. I've just always liked Mathis. Seems like a great guy. I don't enjoy seeing players I like get busted for this type of thing.
I mean I get the stance. But... Shouldn't you be worried about their overall health?
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